1st rd pick general discussion #2 overall (Poll Added)

[Badd_Intentions]

I like T-Rob a lot, but I just don't see him as having the potential to dominate a game like Drummond could. Pretty much boils down to if you want potential vs nba ready. I think it is also important to point out T-Rob is currently 2 years ahead of Drummond. You have to think how good Drummond will be with 2 years of pro coaching under his belt. If he interviews well and they believe he is dedicated I say pull the trigger on him and don't look back.

you can't coach a lack of motor, theres no reason why Drummond should have been slowed down by college level centers last year.. name some players that were able to develop a motor after being drafted?

I'm not buying that he doesn't have a motor. He just needs to be taught how to play.

[HasheemThabeet]

Like Stun said, it's more impressive that Robinson didn't quit at Kansas and instead paid his dues behind the Morris twins. The reason they played over him wasn't talent, almost everybody had Thomas Robinson as a lotto pick/breakout player at the start of the year. Morris twins got burn because they were really good college players and were upperclassmen compared to Robinson.

[Stun704]

Not to sound too sardonic, but if we're talking about assets.....who sounds better as a better asset if either busts: the possibly maxed out forward or the athletic near 7 footer....

How is Thomas Robinson maxed out when he got 'drastically' better in the span of one year? Robinson is really athletic, if he becomes more skilled he could easily be a 24/12/1.5 type player in his prime. I think thats a better chance of happening then Drummond ever living up to his potential. if Andre couldn't dominate college or high school, what makes you think he can dominate grown ass men?

The fact that Robinson couldn't get run over the Morris twins doesn't scare you? We've seen guys like this before turn out to be maxed out....

As for your question about Drummond, you're ignoring that neither Dwight howard not Tyson Chandler dominated in High School, how'd it work out for them

Hes clearly better then the Morris Twins so thats not a valid point, that was a coaches decision. Tyson Chandler was a bust until he was taught how to play the game by Larry Brown(and i'm not giving clown props) If your 7'0 250 there is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't dominate college. hes going to be a bust

[Stun704]

I like T-Rob a lot, but I just don't see him as having the potential to dominate a game like Drummond could. Pretty much boils down to if you want potential vs nba ready. I think it is also important to point out T-Rob is currently 2 years ahead of Drummond. You have to think how good Drummond will be with 2 years of pro coaching under his belt. If he interviews well and they believe he is dedicated I say pull the trigger on him and don't look back.

you can't coach a lack of motor, theres no reason why Drummond should have been slowed down by college level centers last year.. name some players that were able to develop a motor after being drafted?

I'm not buying that he doesn't have a motor. He just needs to be taught how to play.

thats bull, scrubs at the YMCA can have a good motor, its not about knowing the fundamentals or having talent, its about having a desire to get your hands dirty on the court and leave it all out there, you're either born with it or without.

[NataFresh]

The fact that Robinson couldn't get run over the Morris twins doesn't scare you? We've seen guys like this before turn out to be maxed out....

As for your question about Drummond, you're ignoring that neither Dwight howard not Tyson Chandler dominated in High School, how'd it work out for them

Hes clearly better then the Morris Twins so thats not a valid point, that was a coaches decision. Tyson Chandler was a bust until he was taught how to play the game by Larry Brown(and i'm not giving clown props) If your 7'0 250 there is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't dominate college. hes going to be a bust[/quote]


Take a look at Marcus Morris numbers at the same age as Robinson......and he played with another top 20 pick. Look at Drew Gooden, similar stats at the same age and offense....there are way too many coincidences to ignore.

And I hate to break it to you...Tyson Chandler wasn't a bust before he got to Charlotte, and he certainly wasn't afterwards either...regardless my point still stands

[HasheemThabeet]

Drew Gooden is a better comparison for Drummond. A supremely gifted player who doesn't always try his hardest and is genuinely one of the dumbest players in the league

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Can someone explain to me how Drummond is any different then DeAndre Jordan?

Contract.

[Marino]

It all depends on who we get as coach. If we get Sloan, I would be okay with Drummond as I trust Sloan to build him up and be patient with him. But right now I still want TRob. He reminds me of Grandmama

[Stun704]

Take a look at Marcus Morris numbers at the same age as Robinson......and he played with another top 20 pick. Look at Drew Gooden, similar stats at the same age and offense....there are way too many coincidences to ignore.

And I hate to break it to you...Tyson Chandler wasn't a bust before he got to Charlotte, and he certainly wasn't afterwards either...regardless my point still stands

Uhh the Hornets were trying to trade Chandler for Chris **** Wilcox. Thomas Robinson is nothing like Drew Gooden, T-Rob led a less talented Kansas team to the championship, why couldn't the Morris Twins do that?

[Badd_Intentions]

I am not saying T-rob isn't a good player and won't be on the next level, but we've seen too many really good college PF's who are about 6'8''ish come into the NBA and be just ok players.

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[Stun704]

I am not saying T-rob isn't a good player and won't be on the next level, but we've seen too many really good college PF's who are about 6'8''ish come into the NBA and be just ok players.

if T-Rob measures out to be 6'10 in shoes he should be the undisputed #2 pick

[freakon0mics]

I am not saying T-rob isn't a good player and won't be on the next level, but we've seen too many really good college PF's who are about 6'8''ish come into the NBA and be just ok players.

if T-Rob measures out to be 6'10 in shoes he should be the undisputed #2 pick

So far that's been the consensus decision regarding T-Rob. If he comes in and measures at 6'9-6'10 he will definitely be the guy Charlotte will pick but if he comes in at 6'8 then he will definitely drop and we will probably be picking MKG. I've been on board for MKG for awhile now but I still don't understand the belief that T-Rob is what you see is what you get. He has potential but the the thing that worries everyone is obviously size.

[NataFresh]

Can someone name me the last 21 year old worth a high lottery pick, especially in the new one and done era

[Stun704]

I am not saying T-rob isn't a good player and won't be on the next level, but we've seen too many really good college PF's who are about 6'8''ish come into the NBA and be just ok players.

if T-Rob measures out to be 6'10 in shoes he should be the undisputed #2 pick

So far that's been the consensus decision regarding T-Rob. If he comes in and measures at 6'9-6'10 he will definitely be the guy Charlotte will pick but if he comes in at 6'8 then he will definitely drop and we will probably be picking MKG. I've been on board for MKG for awhile now but I still don't understand the belief that T-Rob is what you see is what you get. He has potential but the the thing that worries everyone is obviously size.

Even if hes 6'8 I don't see why you still can't take him, 2 inches is overrated, you don't play defense with your head

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[Stun704]

Can someone name me the last 21 year old worth a high lottery pick, especially in the new one and done era

Can you name someone who was raw and a had a lack of motor in college, but developed one in the league and became a perennial allstar? name one please

[Kembastockton]

I'm not buying that he doesn't have a motor. He just needs to be taught how to play.

We are talking about basketball here. This isn't chess. It doesn't take a lot of teaching to go down into the paint demand the ball, and dunk on the 6'8 guy whose guarding you in college. Drummond should have performed better. I think the kid is lazy.

It all depends on who we get as coach. If we get Sloan, I would be okay with Drummond as I trust Sloan to build him up and be patient with him. But right now I still want TRob. He reminds me of Grandmama

The kid played in a game the same night that he was told his mother died. You cannot beat that kind of passion for the game. Give this kid a teacher like Sloan, and he is guarunteed to be an allstar. The real reason people think he has topped out? Because he already has a post game. That is a good thing though. That means he can spend more time working on his jumper and ball handling which are the only things preventing T-Rob from playing the 3 and the 4.

[NataFresh]

Stun, you can't roll out a frontcourt that small...not longterm anyway....


And I keep seeing this being said all of the time but why can't Drummond and Biz play on the same front court...especially if Drummond has much better hands than Biz...

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I like T-Rob a lot, but I just don't see him as having the potential to dominate a game like Drummond could. Pretty much boils down to if you want potential vs nba ready. I think it is also important to point out T-Rob is currently 2 years ahead of Drummond. You have to think how good Drummond will be with 2 years of pro coaching under his belt. If he interviews well and they believe he is dedicated I say pull the trigger on him and don't look back.

I would not automatically assume they will retire at the same age. You get what you see, if someone has bigger potential to get better because of age that does not mean you will have him producing at that level for more years. Also being ready in younger age doesn't mean higher peak/ceiling.