1st rd pick general discussion #2 overall (Poll Added)

Stun704 · Post #381 » by **Stun704** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:03 pm

NataFresh wrote:Stun, you can't roll out a frontcourt that small...not longterm anyway....

And I keep seeing this being said all of the time but why can't Drummond and Biz play on the same front court...especially if Drummond has much better hands than Biz...

Don't see why not? Biyombo has a longer wingspan then most centers, and Drummond & Biz are both centers, Biz can not play PF successfully.Larry Johnson and Alonzo Mourning were both undersized yet successful

Badd_Intentions · Post #382 » by **Badd_Intentions** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:06 pm

I don't think we are in position to NOT take someone b/c of someone else already on our roster.

raleigh · Post #383 » by **raleigh** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:06 pm

I like Robinson, but you are MASSIVELY overselling him, Stun. By no means did he do anything resembling dominating Davis. All of us watched the title game. Davis did the dominating, and did so despite a poor night offensively.

Stun704 · Post #384 » by **Stun704** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:10 pm

raleigh wrote:I like Robinson, but you are MASSIVELY overselling him, Stun. By no means did he do anything resembling dominating Davis. All of us watched the title game. Davis did the dominating, and did so despite a poor night offensively.

T-Rob 18/17
AD 6/16/6 1-10 shooting

put T-rob instead of John Henson on UNC and UNC beats Kentucky

Kembastockton · Post #385 » by **Kembastockton** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:11 pm

NataFresh wrote:Stun, you can't roll out a frontcourt that small...not longterm anyway....

And I keep seeing this being said all of the time but why can't Drummond and Biz play on the same front court...especially if Drummond has much better hands than Biz...

You are aware that Drummond is just an inch taller than Rob right.

You can't play them both, because they are both much to raw, and have to much they need to learn. Do keep in mind that Drummond was a freshman on a horrible team who's coach was on leaves of absence half of the year.

freakon0mics · Post #386 » by **freakon0mics** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:15 pm

For those who are older, does anyone see Grand Mama in Thomas Robinson? Obviously Thomas Robinson is much taller but a freak who can rebound and score sounds very familiar for some people in Charlotte.

raleigh · Post #387 » by **raleigh** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:17 pm

Stun704 wrote:T-Rob 18/17
AD 6/16/6 1-10 shooting

put T-rob instead of John Henson on UNC and UNC beats Kentucky

That's your argument? Did you watch the game?

NataFresh · Post #388 » by **NataFresh** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:17 pm

Stun704 wrote:
NataFresh wrote:Can someone name me the last 21 year old worth a high lottery pick, especially in the new one and done era

Can you name someone who was raw and a had a lack of motor in college, but developed one in the league and became a perennial allstar? name one please

You're right...but I think you're underselling the UCONN situation when it comes to Drummond...that team was rudderless for massive parts of the season, i'm not sure how many ADULTS would have flourished in that system much less 19 year old kids.

Stun704 · Post #389 » by **Stun704** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:17 pm

freakon0mics wrote:For those who are older, does anyone see Grand Mama in Thomas Robinson? Obviously Thomas Robinson is much taller but a freak who can rebound and score sounds very familiar for some people in Charlotte.

I've been saying that from day one, Thomas Robinson aka Grandamama Jr

Stun704 · Post #390 » by **Stun704** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:18 pm

raleigh wrote:
Stun704 wrote:T-Rob 18/17
AD 6/16/6 1-10 shooting

put T-rob instead of John Henson on UNC and UNC beats Kentucky

That's your argument? Did you watch the game?

I watched the game, I clearly remember T-rob leading Kansas back to a comeback in the 4th

Eoghan · Post #391 » by **Eoghan** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:19 pm

Stun704 wrote:
NataFresh wrote:Can someone name me the last 21 year old worth a high lottery pick, especially in the new one and done era

Can you name someone who was raw and a had a lack of motor in college, but developed one in the league and became a perennial allstar? name one please

This is kind of flawed b/c of the one and done rule. Drummond wouldn't have gone to college if he didn't have to and a lot of the all-stars that were raw came in straight from high school.

Stun704 wrote:Don't see why not? Biyombo has a longer wingspan then most centers, and Drummond & Biz are both centers, Biz can not play PF successfully.Larry Johnson and Alonzo Mourning were both undersized yet successful

How many championships did Alonzo and our franchise player LJ win? Oh that's right, none.

DJQuick wrote:
I'm not buying that he doesn't have a motor. He just needs to be taught how to play.

We are talking about basketball here. This isn't chess. It doesn't take a lot of teaching to go down into the paint demand the ball, and dunk on the 6'8 guy whose guarding you in college. Drummond should have performed better. I think the kid is lazy.

You've never played in the post obviously. It takes a tremendous amount of teaching to play well in the post. Only Shaq and Wilt could simply demand the ball and dunk on a guy.

Stun704 · Post #392 » by **Stun704** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:19 pm

NataFresh wrote:
Stun704 wrote:
NataFresh wrote:Can someone name me the last 21 year old worth a high lottery pick, especially in the new one and done era

Can you name someone who was raw and a had a lack of motor in college, but developed one in the league and became a perennial allstar? name one please

You're right...but I think you're underselling the UCONN situation when it comes to Drummond...that team was rudderless for massive parts of the season, i'm not sure how many ADULTS would have flourished in that system much less 19 year old kids.

excuses, Drummond had no excuse not to dominate people who are not even NBA prospects.

Post #393 » by **fatlever** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:19 pm

doc.end wrote:Should we make a special thread for workouts related news or will this one do? MODS?

we tried that last year. in theory is sounds great. one thread for nothing by workout news and another for discussion. problem is that both threads started to turn into to each other, some would post discussion in the workout thread, some would post workout news in the discussion thread. it was a mess.

but i am always open for suggestions.

Stun704 · Post #394 » by **Stun704** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:20 pm

BrotherDave wrote:did Alonzo and our franchise player LJ win? Oh that's right, none.

LJ had a basically a career altering injury, and Zo left to Miami, plus they had the pleasure of playing in the bulls dynasty era

NataFresh · Post #395 » by **NataFresh** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:21 pm

DJQuick wrote:
NataFresh wrote:Stun, you can't roll out a frontcourt that small...not longterm anyway....

And I keep seeing this being said all of the time but why can't Drummond and Biz play on the same front court...especially if Drummond has much better hands than Biz...

You are aware that Drummond is just an inch taller than Rob right.

You can't play them both, because they are both much to raw, and have to much they need to learn. Do keep in mind that Drummond was a freshman on a horrible team who's coach was on leaves of absence half of the year.

And from all reports a longer wingspan and I'm not sure Drummond is finished growing

As far as both being raw, I'd understand if the Bobcats were a rookie piece away...but we're not...there will be more than enough minutes to go around

HasheemThabeet · Post #396 » by **HasheemThabeet** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:22 pm

just saw the DX video of Drummond and the stats are even worse than his play on the court was. 22 out of 68 out of the post last year, 3 of 9 on jumpers and 29% shooting from the FT line. Like I've said all along, his offensive game right now is no better than Bismack's

freakon0mics · Post #397 » by **freakon0mics** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:23 pm

BrotherDave wrote:How many championships did Alonzo and our franchise player LJ win? Oh that's right, none.

These two couldn't coexist because they hated each other not because their games couldn't co-exist. Also LJ had injuries with his back that hampered his improvement as a player. We would never know how a good a tandem these two could have been if it weren't for egos and injuries. When things were clicking with these two though, they were clicking. Charlotte would never have two front court monsters like that for quite some time.

Eoghan · Post #398 » by **Eoghan** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:25 pm

Stun704 wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:did Alonzo and our franchise player LJ win? Oh that's right, none.

LJ had a basically a career altering injury, and Zo left to Miami, plus they had the pleasure of playing in the bulls dynasty era

Zo left b/c Shinn stupidly gave a 6'5" PF a ridiculous contract.

Ay Dios mio, it's Rudy Gay all over again.

Stun704 · Post #399 » by **Stun704** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:27 pm

BrotherDave wrote:
Stun704 wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:did Alonzo and our franchise player LJ win? Oh that's right, none.

LJ had a basically a career altering injury, and Zo left to Miami, plus they had the pleasure of playing in the bulls dynasty era

Zo left b/c Shinn stupidly gave a 6'5" PF a ridiculous contract.

Ay Dios mio, it's Darko Millic all over again.

Fixed

Badd_Intentions · Post #400 » by **Badd_Intentions** » Thu May 31, 2012 7:28 pm

freakon0mics wrote:For those who are older, does anyone see Grand Mama in Thomas Robinson? Obviously Thomas Robinson is much taller but a freak who can rebound and score sounds very familiar for some people in Charlotte.

In no way does T-Rob resemble the basketball force that was known as Larry Johnson. I don't see it.

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