Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb (HOU)

[Garmfay]

We are not going to land a franchise player at 8 in this draft.
We could land the perfect sidekick to that type of player though.
Jeremy Lamb could be that type of player.
The level of efficient SGs in the NBA is very low at the moment. If Lamb is capable of being a PER 18.0 guy in his prime, and he very well could be, that would have been good enough to be the 6th best player ranked by PER at the SG spot this year. That would have put him near Joe Johnson status.

We all want a Derick Rose type at this point, I'm sure, but we can't get everything we need in one go. Landing a guy who might be a potential top 12 C someday in last year's draft and a SG prospect who might have top 8 SG potential in the next is a solid foundation. The hardest piece to get is that franchise piece but those two would certainly be excellent starts. It would be a bit like how the Bulls had Noah and Deng before landing Rose.

People are hyping up Lamb as that Franchise type of guy though. Basically a SG version of Durant. I would expect a 16 PPG type career out of him on efficient shooting.

[Man of Steel]

I expect him to be a better, more efficient scorer than DeMar. Sure he'll get bullied a bit in his first year or two but his frame already looks to have added weight and if he asserts himself, he'll be a steal at 8. Remember that Lamb scored more ppg than any other wing prospect in this draft.

[Double Helix]

We are not going to land a franchise player at 8 in this draft.
We could land the perfect sidekick to that type of player though.
Jeremy Lamb could be that type of player.
The level of efficient SGs in the NBA is very low at the moment. If Lamb is capable of being a PER 18.0 guy in his prime, and he very well could be, that would have been good enough to be the 6th best player ranked by PER at the SG spot this year. That would have put him near Joe Johnson status.

We all want a Derick Rose type at this point, I'm sure, but we can't get everything we need in one go. Landing a guy who might be a potential top 12 C someday in last year's draft and a SG prospect who might have top 8 SG potential in the next is a solid foundation. The hardest piece to get is that franchise piece but those two would certainly be excellent starts. It would be a bit like how the Bulls had Noah and Deng before landing Rose.

People are hyping up Lamb as that Franchise type of guy though. Basically a SG version of Durant. I would expect a 16 PPG type career out of him on efficient shooting.

SG version of Durant? If anybody really expected that they're probably not old enough to see PG13 movies. They may have compared his lankiness or long arms but don't let one person bringing up Durant make you hate the prospect.

You can dislike the fans but don't take it out on the prospect. If all works out he'd be a very interesting robin-type. He's not going to save anybody's franchise and anybody who thinks otherwise clearly doesn't realize how rare those PER 19.0-24.0 types truly are. They're freakish. They come along every half decade or so ever since HS prospects weren't allowed to be drafted and International scouting improved they've usually been taken higher than 8. We should be happy to get a robin-type at 8.

[Garmfay]

Haha at this point its the overhyping of Lamb thats causing me to start hating him. Like I said though 16 PPG with efficient shooting is what I expect but hes not gonna be 22 - 25 PPG scorer with flawless offensive skills like some are claiming.

[fredericklove]

People are hyping up Lamb as that Franchise type of guy though. Basically a SG version of Durant. I would expect a 16 PPG type career out of him on efficient shooting.

You done making up stuff yet? Garmfay, no one hyped him that way, we all just saying he's going to be a good scoring weapon/good player. And so many times we describe his Durant style, we refer Lamb to playing catch and shoot off the curl or catch and shoot at the wing spot and also iso at the top of the key, that's what we were saying. Also everytime we talk about that, we make sure we make a statement saying "he plays similar style but by no means he's Durant caliber at SG". So don't confuse "style" to "level".

[fredericklove]

Haha at this point its the overhyping of Lamb thats causing me to start hating him. Like I said though 16 PPG with efficient shooting is what I expect but hes not gonna be 22 - 25 PPG scorer with flawless offensive skills like some are claiming.

It's uncertain on how many points he will score in the NBA but all we can do is to explain what type of scoring ability he has. Your way of saying he's going to avg a certain number is highly premature. He hasn't even stepped on the court yet and there you are so confidently projecting his numbers and saying he's NOT gonna be averaging a certain number is nonsense.

[arbsn]

this has to be our pick... if Lamb drops to 8 we will be stealing him
anyone else we are considering (ross, waiters, harkless, lillard) are not on the same level in skill or potential as lamb

I understand BC wants to add a slasher/creator to the wing but Lamb is a defender which is more important at this point... putting Lamb and James Johnson together on the wings actually works whereas Demar and JJ doesnt...

If we wind up picking Lamb which - unless Barnes falls to us - is the most ideal scenario... we should trade demar while his value is still high

[fatal9]

Lamb looks bigger in that draft workout video. He's already at least put on 10 pounds since start of last summer. He used to look sickly. Even in the little bit of footage it showed, you can see how smooth and impressive he's going to look in workouts.

I can see the Cavs picking him if Beal/Drummond are already gone. They aren't scared to pick mid lottery guys in the top 5 based on workouts (see TT), and SG is a position they'll be looking for. Just hope he stays where the mock drafts have him at.

[Garmfay]

Haha at this point its the overhyping of Lamb thats causing me to start hating him. Like I said though 16 PPG with efficient shooting is what I expect but hes not gonna be 22 - 25 PPG scorer with flawless offensive skills like some are claiming.

It's uncertain on how many points he will score in the NBA but all we can do is to explain what type of scoring ability he has. Your way of saying he's going to avg a certain number is highly premature. He hasn't even stepped on the court yet and there you are so confidently projecting his numbers and saying he's NOT gonna be averaging a certain number is nonsense.

I'm confident he will not be a 22-25 scorer is because as like Helix said he is a Robin. He does not have the necessary offensive skills to be that main guy which alot of you are claiming he has. Yes he can score pretty well from the mid range, but his lack of getting to the FT and play making ability can allow defenders to focus on him.

[fredericklove]

I'm confident he will not be a 22-25 scorer is because as like Helix said he is a Robin. He does not have the necessary offensive skills to be that main guy which alot of you are claiming he has. Yes he can score pretty well from the mid range, but his lack of getting to the FT and play making ability can allow defenders to focus on him.

Again, you just don't know that. Its premature to know how many points he'll score, either 16 or 20 or 22 or25. You can't rule out all other factors and so confidently say he won't. Not even pro scouts would make such claim especially when they know more than us. Here you are making such claim is ridiculous. I'm not saying he can avg 25 but not saying he cannot, just saying there's possibility and it depends on how much he improves his skillset in the NBA, and how much he expands on his offensive repertoire. His weakness is lack of FT, and playmaking ability too, but these are areas that he may or may not improve, if he proves on that, it will turn him into a complete player.

You can't absolutely say these two things will prevent him from scoring a certain range. On offensive skillset alone, he's not just scoring pretty well from mid-range but using different ways to getting his shots off, that's why teams can rely heavily on him offensively from designing all different kinds of play for him to score, from p&r, screens/iso and etc, and he's also capable of knocking down 3s. All these different style and ways to score can potentially raises his offensive output. So I see him being an offensive weapon in this league, not as franchise level, not as superstar or all star, just saying he can score alot and alot.

[Garmfay]

People are hyping up Lamb as that Franchise type of guy though. Basically a SG version of Durant. I would expect a 16 PPG type career out of him on efficient shooting.

You done making up stuff yet? Garmfay, no one hyped him that way, we all just saying he's going to be a good scoring weapon/good player. And so many times we describe his Durant style, we refer Lamb to playing catch and shoot off the curl or catch and shoot at the wing spot and also iso at the top of the key, that's what we were saying. Also everytime we talk about that, we make sure we make a statement saying "he plays similar style but by no means he's Durant caliber at SG". So don't confuse "style" to "level".

No one hyped him up? Everyone whos been in this thread who has questioned Lamb on some of his flaws have been ridiculed. I trying to be realistic with the expectations of Lamb. Its like the same with DeRozan. He hasn't lived up to the hype and now people are ready to run him out of town. It will probably be the same with Lamb in the future.

[Garmfay]

I'm confident he will not be a 22-25 scorer is because as like Helix said he is a Robin. He does not have the necessary offensive skills to be that main guy which alot of you are claiming he has. Yes he can score pretty well from the mid range, but his lack of getting to the FT and play making ability can allow defenders to focus on him.

Again, you just don't know that. Its premature to know how many points he'll score, either 16 or 20 or 22 or25. You can't rule out all other factors and so confidently say he won't. Not even pro scouts would make such claim especially when they know more than us. Here you are making such claim is ridiculous. I'm not saying he can avg 25 but not saying he cannot, just saying there's possibility and it depends on how much he improves his skillset in the NBA, and how much he expands on his offensive repertoire. His weakness is lack of FT, and playmaking ability too, but these are areas that he may or may not improve, if he proves on that, it will turn him into a complete player.

You can't absolutely say these two things will prevent him from scoring a certain range. On offensive skillset alone, he's not just scoring pretty well from mid-range but using different ways to getting his shots off, that's why teams can rely heavily on him offensively from designing all different kinds of play for him to score, from p&r, screens/iso and etc, and he's also capable of knocking down 3s. All these different style and ways to score can potentially raises his offensive output. So I see him being an offensive weapon in this league, not as franchise level, not as superstar or all star, just saying he can score alot and alot.

I dk how a good offensive SG being a 2nd/3rd option on efficient scoring is a ridiculous claim to make. The 16 PPG thing was to represent that. I'm trying to be realistic here man, prospects during this time always get hyped up. I wonder what the reaction would be if BC doesn't draft Lamb at this point. Probably worse than Walker getting passed up last year

[fredericklove]

I'm confident he will not be a 22-25 scorer is because as like Helix said he is a Robin. He does not have the necessary offensive skills to be that main guy which alot of you are claiming he has. Yes he can score pretty well from the mid range, but his lack of getting to the FT and play making ability can allow defenders to focus on him.

Again, you just don't know that. Its premature to know how many points he'll score, either 16 or 20 or 22 or25. You can't rule out all other factors and so confidently say he won't. Not even pro scouts would make such claim especially when they know more than us. Here you are making such claim is ridiculous. I'm not saying he can avg 25 but not saying he cannot, just saying there's possibility and it depends on how much he improves his skillset in the NBA, and how much he expands on his offensive repertoire. His weakness is lack of FT, and playmaking ability too, but these are areas that he may or may not improve, if he proves on that, it will turn him into a complete player.

You can't absolutely say these two things will prevent him from scoring a certain range. On offensive skillset alone, he's not just scoring pretty well from mid-range but using different ways to getting his shots off, that's why teams can rely heavily on him offensively from designing all different kinds of play for him to score, from p&r, screens/iso and etc, and he's also capable of knocking down 3s. All these different style and ways to score can potentially raises his offensive output. So I see him being an offensive weapon in this league, not as franchise level, not as superstar or all star, just saying he can score alot and alot.

I dk how a good offensive SG being a 2nd/3rd option on efficient scoring is a ridiculous claim to make. The 16 PPG thing was to represent that. I'm trying to be realistic here man, prospects during this time always get hyped up. I wonder what the reaction would be if BC doesn't draft Lamb at this point.

No, reread my post please, don't make up stuff to derail my opinion. I said you make ridiculous claim about how you are absolutely confident that he isn't a 22-25 range scorer. He may or may not end up being one, if being as good as advertised and in prime years what will he average, thats one possibility you have to look at. And like I said you don't know how he will turn out statistically in the NBA, but for you to say "I'm confident he will not be a 22-25 scorer " is a ridiculous claim when you don't even know how he'll turn out in the NBA.

[Garmfay]

No, reread my post please, don't make up stuff to derail my opinion. I said you make ridiculous claim about how you are absolutely confident that he isn't a 22-25 range scorer. He may or may not end up being one, if being as good as advertised and in prime years what will he average, thats one possibility you have to look at. And like I said you don't know how he will turn out statistically in the NBA, but for you to say "I'm confident he will not be a 22-25 scorer " is a ridiculous claim when you don't even know how he'll turn out in the NBA.

I don't think you even read anything I said. Can't attack the basketball well and not having playmaking instincts are reasons why a guy can't put up 22-25PPG. And you can't just say Lamb will improve on these things as DeRozan still doesn't have proper handles. I don't know how that is ridiculous.

[JamesNaismith]

He has all the skill necessary to be a 22-25ppg player in his prime; whether or not he does it is as Fredricklove is saying --- completely unpredictable....but the great thing is the foundation of skills are there and not needed to be learned. Being that he was the TOP scoring wing prospect in this draft it's at least hopeful that he can a solid scorer in the league.

[Waylon Mercy]

Lamb will be a complementary scorer only guy I could see in this draft being a go to scorer is
Beal but Lamb is a nice consolation prize.

[Garmfay]

Like I said, Players can easily double team him or play up tight defense knowing he doesn't have the vision to get the ball to his teammates or won't be able to attack the rim. Even a pretty good comparison of Rip Hamilton never reached 25PPG. Fredrick was saying my claim is outrageous which is not. Of course there is always a chance but thats why I said I'm CONFIDENT. I didn't say ABSOLUTELY 100% he wasn't gonna be that guy. There may be a 5-10% he can be a go to guy. Thats why I said I was being realistic with him being a SOLID scorer in the NBA.

[fredericklove]

No, reread my post please, don't make up stuff to derail my opinion. I said you make ridiculous claim about how you are absolutely confident that he isn't a 22-25 range scorer. He may or may not end up being one, if being as good as advertised and in prime years what will he average, thats one possibility you have to look at. And like I said you don't know how he will turn out statistically in the NBA, but for you to say "I'm confident he will not be a 22-25 scorer " is a ridiculous claim when you don't even know how he'll turn out in the NBA.

I don't think you even read anything I said. Can't attack the basketball well and not having playmaking instincts are reasons why a guy can't put up 22-25PPG. And you can't just say Lamb will improve on these things as DeRozan still doesn't have proper handles. I don't know how that is ridiculous.

I don't think you still read what I feedback as u pointed out how I said being 2nd option is a ridiculous claim but I said I wasn't talking about that. I don't see not having playmaking instincts will be a roadblock to 22-25 PPG, scorer is scorer, scorer will always find a way to score. Not having playmaking instincts will just make it harder for him to being an all around player. Not attacking the basketball is a major problem cos defenders can limit him to being jumpshot happy, that comes critical in late stretch which can create problems for Lamb, but if he's able to continue to knock down shots at high efficient rate in all kinds of different type of play sequence that coach assigns to him, then he can be a good high scoring weapon, I won't claim 25, or 24, or 23, or 22 but he could score alot of points that way IF he's given the scoring opportunity.

[fredericklove]

Like I said, Players can easily double team him or play up tight defense knowing he doesn't have the vision to get the ball to his teammates or won't be able to attack the rim. Even a pretty good comparison of Rip Hamilton never reached 25PPG. Fredrick was saying my claim is outrageous which is not. Of course there is always a chance but thats why I said I'm CONFIDENT. I didn't say ABSOLUTELY 100% he wasn't gonna be that guy. There may be a 5-10% he can be a go to guy. Thats why I said I was being realistic with him being a SOLID scorer in the NBA.

It's about time you add in something like a percentage, because when you said you're confident he IS NOT, that pretty much gives the vibe saying he absolutely won't.

[Garmfay]

No, reread my post please, don't make up stuff to derail my opinion. I said you make ridiculous claim about how you are absolutely confident that he isn't a 22-25 range scorer. He may or may not end up being one, if being as good as advertised and in prime years what will he average, thats one possibility you have to look at. And like I said you don't know how he will turn out statistically in the NBA, but for you to say "I'm confident he will not be a 22-25 scorer " is a ridiculous claim when you don't even know how he'll turn out in the NBA.

I don't think you even read anything I said. Can't attack the basketball well and not having playmaking instincts are reasons why a guy can't put up 22-25PPG. And you can't just say Lamb will improve on these things as DeRozan still doesn't have proper handles. I don't know how that is ridiculous.

I don't think you still read what I feedback as u pointed out how I said being 2nd option is a ridiculous claim but I said I wasn't talking about that. I don't see not having playmaking instincts will be a roadblock to 22-25 PPG, scorer is scorer, scorer will always find a way to score. Not having playmaking instincts will just make it harder for him to being an all around player. Not attacking the basketball is a major problem cos defenders can limit him to being jumpshot happy, that comes critical in late stretch which can create problems for Lamb, but if he's able to continue to knock down shots at high efficient rate in all kinds of different type of play sequence that coach assigns to him, then he can be a good high scoring weapon, I won't claim 25, or 24, or 23, or 22 but he could score alot of points that way IF he's given the scoring opportunity.

Sigh, guys like Jamal Crawford, Rip Hamilton are scorers or (were). They never got to 25 ppg because there are parts of their game that can't allow them to get there IE Rip Hamilton was never an attack the rim guy (ie Lamb) and Crawford settled for too many jumpers (Lamb)