Lacob & Co. in Attack Mode

[don nelson]

Lets just offer NO, Curry and #7 for #1.

not a chance.

Wouldn't hurt to call them anyway.

I don't know why people want to move Curry and the #7 for the #2. The whole reason for trading Curry for the #2 is that we can acquire MKG and Lillard with the #7 to replace Curry.

Totally wrong because the word would instantly get out the Warriors GM called to try and trade for Anthony Davis. Every other NBA GM will be calling Myers with ridiculous and totally lopsided deals waiting to see which ones the "fool @ Golden State" is willing to swallow. Myers' credibility as an NBA GM will be so negative that it will be light years from even being zero just because he made a call to New Orleans when the other 29 NBA GMs knew it was a total waste of time. But there's always people who are literally dying to prove they are just a bug waiting to be crushed. The NBA's extremely unforgiving towards NBA GM's who conduct their business like Isiah Thomas

[Chris Porter's Hair]

not a chance.

Wouldn't hurt to call them anyway.

I don't know why people want to move Curry and the #7 for the #2. The whole reason for trading Curry for the #2 is that we can acquire MKG and Lillard with the #7 to replace Curry.

Totally wrong because the word would instantly get out the Warriors GM called to try and trade for Anthony Davis. Every other NBA GM will be calling Myers with ridiculous and totally lopsided deals waiting to see which ones the "fool @ Golden State" is willing to swallow. Myers' credibility as an NBA GM will be so negative that it will be light years from even being zero just because he made a call to New Orleans when the other 29 NBA GMs knew it was a total waste of time. But there's always people who are literally dying to prove they are just a bug waiting to be crushed. The NBA is extremely unforgiving to NBA GM's who handle their business like an Isiah Thomas.

Aside from the fact that I think this is total nonsense, I'm not sure why you think this would be a tragedy. Are you worried about Myers' cel phone bill? So people call him up with lopsided deals. Then he says no. And he's on the phone with them engaged in trade talks. I could almost make the case that would be a *good* idea if you're right. Unless you are worried about his cel phone bill or that they'll happen to catch him when he's drunk and he'll accept a lopsided offer.

Isiah didn't get abused because of some perceived weakness. He got abused because he didn't know what he was doing and made bad decisions.

Not that any of it matters. They wouldn't say yes. And I sincerely doubt they'd move the pick. But if you honestly believe no GM's are going to ask New Orleans about that pick, you and I will have to agree to disagree.

[don nelson]

Wouldn't hurt to call them anyway.

I don't know why people want to move Curry and the #7 for the #2. The whole reason for trading Curry for the #2 is that we can acquire MKG and Lillard with the #7 to replace Curry.

Totally wrong because the word would instantly get out the Warriors GM called to try and trade for Anthony Davis. Every other NBA GM will be calling Myers with ridiculous and totally lopsided deals waiting to see which ones the "fool @ Golden State" is willing to swallow. Myers' credibility as an NBA GM will be so negative that it will be light years from even being zero just because he made a call to New Orleans when the other 29 NBA GMs knew it was a total waste of time. But there's always people who are literally dying to prove they are just a bug waiting to be crushed. The NBA is extremely unforgiving to NBA GM's who handle their business like an Isiah Thomas.

Aside from the fact that I think this is total nonsense, I'm not sure why you think this would be a tragedy. Are you worried about Myers' cel phone bill? So people call him up with lopsided deals. Then he says no. And he's on the phone with them engaged in trade talks. I could almost make the case that would be a *good* idea if you're right. Unless you are worried about his cel phone bill or that they'll happen to catch him when he's drunk and he'll accept a lopsided offer.

Isiah didn't get abused because of some perceived weakness. He got abused because he didn't know what he was doing and made bad decisions.

Not that any of it matters. They wouldn't say yes. And I sincerely doubt they'd move the pick. But if you honestly believe no GM's are going to ask New Orleans about that pick, you and I will have to agree to disagree.

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion but the person who provided me with this first hand information was the pro personnel director of the Knicks when Isiah Thomas was their GM. This same pro personnel director accepted a similar position with San Antonio instead of waiting to go down with Isiah Thomas' ship. This person said he learned after joining San Antonio their FO waited to see which teams called after the Spurs won the draft lottery for the right to pick Tim Duncan to determine who's vulnerable because for NBA GMs its dog eat dog but Spurs didn't get any calls. Bottom line is Bob Myers needs to avoid looking like he doesn't know what he's doing if he hopes to earn enough respect from his peers to avoid getting abused like Gary St Jean did. FYI, that pro personnel director was Dell Demps who's currently GM for the New Orleans Hornets

[TaylorMonkey]

The other characteristic that all those guys (including Walker) has which Curry does not is top notch speed which is essential in being able to have a decent chance of being able to stop those guys. Even Monta with all his deficiencies at the point was able to contain guys like Rose and Westbroook on occasion. It's a killer on defense trying to stop those guys. Look at what Westbrook and Parker have been able to do in the playoffs thus far.

Before the ankle, it was Curry who contained Rose this season.

[TaylorMonkey]

What's the point of a GM if the owner is going to constantly run his mouth about possible trades? This is completely discrediting the GM. People are going to just call Lacob (or his son) with serious trade proposals. Remember how Utah was supposedly upset when he was talking in the media about the pick negotiations.

Just terrible.

The article only mentioned that Myers was in the lottery green room a long time with the CHA GM. The only quote from Lacob was about how the roster has changed and that more are coming. There was no mention of actual trades.

Keep the hits coming.

Lacob promises that more moves are coming. He admits that his playoff promise this past season was a boo-inducing dud, but he's starting to develop a track record that matches his lofty guarantees when it comes to roster moves.

Kirk, promising to make more trades is definitely addressing trades.

My argument is he should not be making these kinds of promises and should just be more general. I mean why promise players currently on the roster that some of them will be traded? What benefit is there? GSW fans fill the Oracle all the time anyway. Its like the guy has a need for people to believe in him. Here's an idea, let your actions and results speak for you.

Every time a team or player concedes that they need help, which is all the time, they are advertising a possible roster change.

Myers and Riley have also talked plenty. Even the Logo said "Size matters" when asked about Monta, which telegraphed a possible and eventual roster change, whether it was in the front court, backcourt, or both.

There is just way too much nitpicking and axe grinding given all the ways, big and little, that our FO has upgraded the team in one season.

The only real PR screw up was talking about JJ Hickson and letting Portland nab him while we waited for him to clear waivers.

[Jester_]

Sorry Turk, but your take is completely false. Curry was the one who contained the athletic guards, and is a much better defender than he's given credit for. He's awful at covering off of screens because of his lack of strength, and for some reason people have taken that and blown it up into acting like he's an awful defender. He's actually a pretty good defensive player.

[turk3d]

You guys are absolutely delusional if you think it was Curry who and not Monta who held Rose to 13 points and forced him into 9 turnovers, perhaps the worst game of his career (2 years ago). He's also held his own with Westbrook on and even Paul on occasion. The only top PG that I recall Curry having a good game defensively against was Paul on one occasion. Ellis has had problems with 2 guards much more than he does with pgs defensively.

Curry has gotten torn up by the likes of Lawson and Collison to name a few. He just doesn't have the footspeed to keep up with those guys and with his glass ankles it's even worse. Jennings 50 started out with Curry guarding him. Even got broke his ankles broke by Jimmer on one occassion.

I'm not counting Tyreke because he's really more of a 2. Although Curry is quick, he's not fast and too slow for a PG imo. He better have a really good defensive 2 next to him (Iggy type) if he's going to playing point for you (why he was benched so often under Nellie and Smart) unless you want to have a huge gap in your defense. That, and hope he outscores his opponent.

[Jester_]

Complete and utter nonsense. Go figure your take is that if a PG does well it's Curry's fault, and if a PG did badly it was thanks to Monta. Monta couldn't guard a paper bag.

Opponent PG's against Curry: 20.4 ppg 10 ast 5 TO on 15 PER
Opponent PG's against Monta: 28 ppg 8 ast 5.5 TO on 20 PER

So yeah, Monta got a lot of steals as evidenced by the low assist numbers by opponent PG's, but otherwise he was absolutely shat on. Overall, Curry was a much better defender -- even against shooting guards.

I didn't even have to bring up RAPM, it's that obvious. Your take is simply complete bs, there's no two ways around it.

[Frank Mulely]

not trading curry for rondo was an epic failure

[FNQ]

Yes it was. No getting around that one

[Jester_]

not trading curry for rondo was an epic failure

Not trading for Paul might have been an even bigger failure.

[FNQ]

Would have been Curry/Klay/Udoh IIRC... Which means no Bogut trade. Might have meant Chandler though.. Tough to know for sure

[Jester_]

I thought it was a clean Curry for Paul trade (with filler to make numbers work)? Curry/Klay/Udoh is a whole different ball game, I wouldn't be happy at all with that.

[FNQ]

Only Curry for Rondo was without significant assets attached

[Frank Mulely]

Like I said...

[sportscrazy]

Biedrins, Wright, and #7 for Rudy Gay
Jefferson and Lee for Amare

C-Andrew Bogut
PF-Amare Stoudemire
SF-Rudy Gay
SG-Klay Thompson
PG-Stephen Curry

[TaylorMonkey]

You guys are absolutely delusional if you think it was Curry who and not Monta who held Rose to 13 points and forced him into 9 turnovers, perhaps the worst game of his career (2 years ago). He's also held his own with Westbrook on and even Paul on occasion. The only top PG that I recall Curry having a good game defensively against was Paul on one occasion. Ellis has had problems with 2 guards much more than he does with pgs defensively.

Curry has gotten torn up by the likes of Lawson and Collison to name a few. He just doesn't have the footspeed to keep up with those guys and with his glass ankles it's even worse. Jennings 50 started out with Curry guarding him. Even got broke his ankles broke by Jimmer on one occassion.

I'm not counting Tyreke because he's really more of a 2. Although Curry is quick, he's not fast and too slow for a PG imo. He better have a really good defensive 2 next to him (Iggy type) if he's going to playing point for you (why he was benched so often under Nellie and Smart) unless you want to have a huge gap in your defense. That, and hope he outscores his opponent.

Not delusional. Just have a decent memory.

I remember watching the game and Curry stayed with Rose fairly well. I also remember several comments in the game thread noting that Curry was doing a good job defensively. We stopped Rose with Curry on ball and good, collapsing team defense. Monta may have guarded Rose in bits but I definitely don't remember that being Rose's primary matchup or the reason he did poorly.

Then Curry killed his ankle stepping on Ashton Kutcher's foot.

[TaylorMonkey]

Complete and utter nonsense. Go figure your take is that if a PG does well it's Curry's fault, and if a PG did badly it was thanks to Monta. Monta couldn't guard a paper bag.

Opponent PG's against Curry: 20.4 ppg 10 ast 5 TO on 15 PER
Opponent PG's against Monta: 28 ppg 8 ast 5.5 TO on 20 PER

So yeah, Monta got a lot of steals as evidenced by the low assist numbers by opponent PG's, but otherwise he was absolutely shat on. Overall, Curry was a much better defender -- even against shooting guards.

I didn't even have to bring up RAPM, it's that obvious. Your take is simply complete bs, there's no two ways around it.

Do we have stats that take into account which point guards Monta guarded vs Curry? It could have been that Monta got the harder assignments where Curry would be clearly overmatched. I asked about this way back but never got a response.

[BROWN]

There's no denying Monta had the harder matchup each night...

As far as Rondo for Curry, that was a total failure, I remember guys here who didn't like the deal... And man we missed out. That lineup would've been Rondo/Ellis/Wright/Lee/Udoh with Klay and other guys coming off the bench.

The Paul thing included a bunch of young guns, we would've had Tyson sign here, probably would've had a starting 5 of Paul/Ellis/Wright/Lee/Chandler.

Though I'm pretty stoked about what we have now and in no way, shape or form do I trade Curry + 7 for Walker + 2... A few ankle injuries and people forget how dominating Curry is when he's in the game. Defenders cannot give him space, how many PG in this league can you actually say not to go below a screen... Very very few. Westbrook Rose Parker are all guys people play under the screen with the big hedging out and then the guard retrieving.

[Coxy]

not trading curry for rondo was an epic failure

This one particularly hurts for me.