Rondo is overrated

[Josephpaul]

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OP is trolling obviously.

Rondo has been a Top 5 point guard for many years. Those who dont agree are ignorant or just plain in denial.

Carry on with the trolling though.

[bledredwine]

when healthy

Rose
Westbrook
Williams
Rondo
Paul

Rondo has been amazing this year's playoffs. I can't not call him a top 5 PG, and honestly I strongly dislike Rondo.... but he's a high impact player and easily the best player on the Celtics squad, currently.

[EArl]

Tell us who your top five point guard are, why they are better than rondo, and then we can have a discussion

in the meantime, cool story bro!!!

Rose
Westbrook
Deron
Parker
Paul

I agree with everyone except Westbrook.
Rondo may be a Celtic, but he is my favorite player on that team. The guy plays like an old school player.

[83SixersRocked]

A 44 points game doesn't make you a better player. A point guard who can't even shoot will never be considered to be "great". I'm so sick of the Rondo top-5 pg nonsense.

BS. You can't have it both ways - 44 points doesn't make you better but he's not great because he can't shoot? He'll win you games, and that's the bottom line. If you're hung up on shooting being all there is then we get that you don't 'like' him, but it has no bearing on what he brings to his team.

[bledredwine]

Example: Derrick Rose... A point guard's primary objective is to ensure that his team scores and the offense is at least competent no matter how the task gets done. There should be no titles such as "pass first" or "shoot first" when a point guard is fulfilling a task that is needed on their specific team.

You're not serious are you? Since when has Rose ever been a pass first PG?

When his team needs it.

Have you ever seen him dish out 16 assists against Chris Paul's clippers along with 36 points? Or the two bucks games where he led 4th Q comebacks by running the floor?

Derrick Rose is a great floor general and has been known for it since high school, the Bulls just need him to score more because he's such a great slasher and the team can't create for themselves.

[Groove]

Lol, y'all blinded by hate

[Roddy]

That's sad when people think that a PG needs to be a scorer. Rose and Westbrook are ballhogs.

Magic Johnson : 19ppg in career
Isiah Thomas : 19ppg in career
John Stockton : 13ppg in career
Jason Kidd : 13ppg in career
Steve Nash : 14.5ppg in career

They are all first pass PG. Rose and Westbrook are undersized SG. They are great players, but nothing near true PG.

To me, true PG are :

1-Chris Paul
2-Deron Williams
3-Rajon Rondo

[Triple M]

Rondo is a top 5 PG and has been for awhile. His ability to step up in the playoffs and put up good runs against good defensive teams should quiet his doubters. Compare the elite PG playoff performances over the years and see how Rondo stacks up in comparison.

Rajon Rondo
11/12: 17.6 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 11.7 APG, .479 FG%, .280 3FG%, 2.5 SPG, 15 GP
10/11: 14 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 9.6 APG, .477 FG%, .000 3FG%, 1.1 SPG, 9 GP
09/10: 15.8 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 9.3 APG, .463 FG%, .375 3FG%, 1.9 SPG, 24 GP
08/09: 16.9 PPG, 9.7 RPG, 9.8 APG, .417 FG%, .250 3FG%, 2.5 SPG, 14 GP
07/08: 10.2 PPG, 4.1 RPG, 6.6 APG, .407 FG%, .250 3FG%, 1.7 SPG, 26 GP

Derick Rose
11/12: 23 PPG, 9 RPG, 9 APG, .391 FG%, .500 3FG%, 1 SPG, 1 GP
10/11: 27.1 PPG, 4.3 RPG, 7.7 APG, .396 FG%, .248 3FG%, 1.4 SPG, 16 GP
09/10: 26.8 PPG, 3.4 RPG, 7.2 APG, .456 FG%, .333 3FG%, 0.8 SPG, 5 GP
08/09: 19.7 PPG, 6.3 RPG, 6.4 APG, .492 FG%, .000 3FG%, 0.6 APG, 7 GP

Chris Paul
11/12: 17.6 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 7.9 APG, .427 FG%, .333 3FG%, 2.7 SPG, 11 GP
10/11: 22.0 PPG, 11.5 APG, 6.7 APG, .545 FG%, .474 3FG%, 1.8 SPG, 6 GP
08/09: 16.6 PPG, 4.4 RPG, 10.4 APG, .411 FG%, .313 3FG%, 1.6 SPG, 5 GP
07/08: 24.1 PPG, 4.9 RPG, 11.3 APG, .502 FG%, .238 3FG%, 2.3 SPG, 12 GP


Tony Parker
11/12: 20.1 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 6.8 APG, .473 FG%, .400 3FG%, 0.9 SPG, 11 GP
10/11: 19.7 PPG, 2.7 RPG, 5.2 APG, .462 FG%, .125 3FG% , 1.3 SPG, 6 GP
09/10: 17.3 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 5.4 APG, .474 FG%, .667 3FG%, 0.6 SPG, 10 GP
08/09: 28.6 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 6.8 APG, .546 FG%, .214 3FG%, 1.2 SPG, 5 GP
07/08: 22.4 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 6.1 APG, .497 FG%, .350 3FG%, 0.9 SPG, 17 GP
06/07: 20.8 PPG, 3.4 RPG, 5.8 APG, .480 FG%, .333 3FG% 1.1 APG, 20 GP

Russell Westbrook
11/12: 22.6 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 5.2 APG, .445 FG%, .343 3FG%, 1.8 SPG, 12 GP
10/11: 23.8 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 6.4 APG, .394 FG%, .292 3FG%, 1.4 SPG, 17 GP
09/10: 20.5 PPG, 6 RPG, 6 APG, .473 FG%, .417 3FG%, 1.7 SPG, 6 GP

Deron Williams
09/10: 24.3 PPG, 2.7 RPG, 10.2 APG, .450 FG%, .392 3FG%, 1SPG, 10 GP
08/09: 20.2 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 10.8 APG, .414 FG%, .360 3FG%, 1.8 SPG, 5 GP
07/08: 21.6 PPG, 3.6 RPG, 10 APG, .492 FG%, .500 3FG%, 0.6 SPG, 12 GP
06/07: 19.2 PPG, 4.3 RPG, 8.6 APG, .452 FG%, .333 3FG%, 1.5 SPG, 17 GP

Steve Nash
09/10: 17.8 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 10.1 APG, .518 FG%, .380 3FG%, 0.2 SPG, 16 GP
07/08: 16.2 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 7.8 APG, .457 FG%, .300 3FG%, 0.4 SPG, 5 GP
06/07: 18.9 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 13.3 APG, .463 FG%, .487 3FG%, 0.4 SPG, 11 GP

[Triple M]

if the biggest issue you have with Rondo is scoring, then notice how he increases his scoring out put every post season but is able to maintain his distributing.

[deliriousmouse]

Rondo Consistantly has 10+ assists, defends very well, top 5 in steals and consistantly contributes on the scoreboard

What the hell more does he have to do? While im a HUGE Nash fan, People putting Nash in the top 5 over Rondo are blind. They do the same thing stats wise, Rondo is a much better defender and is now taking very smart shots and has worked had to eliminate his percieved weakness in the jump shot

Give me a point guard who will work hard to make a shot easier for a team-mate then someone who will jack up a contested jump shot, I know which point guard i would rather on my team every day of the week

[Cyclical]

Let me see... NBA HOFers like Magic and Barkley put him in the top 3 and say that on many nights, especially when the lights shine brightest, he's the best PG in the league. On the other hand some kid who's never played ball sitting behind a keyboard in his underwear says he's overrated. Not sure which way to go here...

Eh, I'll just go with what my eyes tell me. The kid is beast. His only weakness is his jump shot, which is getting better all the time. By the end of his career he'll be considered one of the greatest PGs of all time. The thread premise is a joke.

[FlatearthZorro]

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams(when on a better team, but I still think Rondo is a better passer, defender, Deron tends to be a slacker at times)
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Derrick Rose(Imo, and I'm not hating I love Rose, I really do, he's a combo guard, not really a PG)
5. Russel Westbrook(westbrook averages like 5 APG, hell if he's a PG, then Pierce is a PG too, PP was averaging 4 APG in the regular season)

My point here is, if your PG doesn't score what is he gonna help your team with? Rondo plays D, rebounds and assissts obviously. If Westbrokk doesn't score his 20 PPG, he just needs to get out of the way of Durant, if Rose doesn't score the Bulls don't win and Rose isn't that good at assisting either, averaging 6 a game(that's pretty average-> i used average 2 times lol)

Paul and Deron are better than Rondo, cause they can shoot it and pass it, while Rondo's shot has improved, it's still not as good as those 2 guys'. Rondo is better at rebounding/defending than both of them, and especially Deron, who as I wrote is an absolute slacker.

[Groove]

Deron Williams is NOT better than Rajon Rondo

[gamby]

Only Celtics fans would say Rondo is a top-5 pg.

[imsinn3d]

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams(when on a better team, but I still think Rondo is a better passer, defender, Deron tends to be a slacker at times)
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Derrick Rose(Imo, and I'm not hating I love Rose, I really do, he's a combo guard, not really a PG)
5. Russel Westbrook(westbrook averages like 5 APG, hell if he's a PG, then Pierce is a PG too, PP was averaging 4 APG in the regular season)

My point here is, if your PG doesn't score what is he gonna help your team with? Rondo plays D, rebounds and assissts obviously. If Westbrokk doesn't score his 20 PPG, he just needs to get out of the way of Durant, if Rose doesn't score the Bulls don't win and Rose isn't that good at assisting either, averaging 6 a game(that's pretty average-> i used average 2 times lol)

Paul and Deron are better than Rondo, cause they can shoot it and pass it, while Rondo's shot has improved, it's still not as good as those 2 guys'. Rondo is better at rebounding/defending than both of them, and especially Deron, who as I wrote is an absolute slacker.

Perfect assessment of each players. Agreed with you on all 5.

Deron Williams is NOT better than Rajon Rondo

While Deron hasn't shown his full skills and has slacked off a lot this year, he is still a better player. Put him in the position of Rondo on the Celtics and he would be able to not only have as much impact, but also be able to help close out games with sound decisions in the final minutes as well as his ability to score and make correct judgments on passing.

If we are to include the injured Derrick Rose in the conversation, it's only fair to include a temporarily missing true Deron Williams also.

[pross]

Only Celtics fans would say Rondo is a top-5 pg.

Stop trolling. I've seen countless examples of the contrary in this very thread.

[Hon-essim]

What if a point guard has to play on a team where they are the only option that can consistently create their own shot and their primary objective becomes to create their own offense first and then look for others to distribute to. Would they be considered a "pure point guard"?

Yes, but their team success would suffer while their personal legacies would increase.

Happened before with Kidd while he was with the Nets.

The big controversy for the pure point guard is "quality of play making" since it can be so arbitrary.

In Kidd's case, the case can be made that he still reached the Finals so he arguably "led" his team. Also you saw how his decline still helped the Mavs if only because elite play making translates to great shot recognition.

In Rondo's case, he makes the declining Boston team tougher in the playoffs and that's very hard to do without a jump shot. Even great pg scorers like Parker could not do as good as a play making for Duncan.

For an inferior example of this, this was why I was a fan of Steve Blake before his decline under Mike Brown. He looks to set up first, then create his own open shot, set up again, then creates his own clutch opportunities. Very basic but very effective especially because at his best he can make plays while having his feet set and not turn the ball over and the D are often caught flat footed despite Blake having only one weapon. (that disappeared under Mike Brown despite his role as a shooter)

Injured Arenas is also the same. He uses the threat of his passing to create the hesitation that would keep the defense from defending his jump shot. He just horribly misses them but give him a player like Dwight and it's Jason Kidd-Kenyon Martin lite as Arenas dissects the D.

[TheMailMan3232]

Seem like this idiot just started watching Basketball this year or something.

[Dagameplaya PnG]

Only Celtics fans would say Rondo is a top-5 pg.

you're clearly biased because the guy plays in a Celtics uniform. Rondo is indeed a top 5 point guard.

[wjun15]

hes a top 5 PG but hes a bit overrated. Put any good PG on the celts and theyd average 10+ assists...especially with all the great shooters...even their PFs are great shooters. But what separates him is his defense. I'd like to see if Rondo would do the same on the clippers