Rondo is overrated

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Re: Rondo is overrated 

Post#61 » by Doormatt » Sun Jun 3, 2012 11:13 am

i havent seen one person in this thread give any evidence of how rondo is a top 5 point guard.


Triple M wrote:if the biggest issue you have with Rondo is scoring, then notice how he increases his scoring out put every post season but is able to maintain his distributing.


its too bad your post doesnt show any of those things. scoring out put != ppg nor do assists = distribution. this is why looking just at box score stats is not so helpful. also its not about scoring simply, its about being able to have a defense fear/respect your ability to score/shoot and play accordingly. and even if he does get better in the playoffs, rondo has never been an efficient scorer like nash/cp3 or even dwill/parker. defenses do not consistently fear rondos ability to score nor do his passes create the opportunities for his team that people would believe. thats why bostons offense sucked. because the guy running their offense isnt as good as people think.
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Post#62 » by b1ind » Sun Jun 3, 2012 11:41 am

If you exclude combo-guards like Westbrook and Rose, then yes, Rondo is a Top-5 PG.
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Post#63 » by Hon-essim » Sun Jun 3, 2012 11:43 am

No, Rondo has been an efficient scorer. Not since Parker has playoff D fear to slack against an up tempo pg that didn't play D'Antoni's system and even Nash wasn't as dangerous.

Rondo's problem is that he isn't as deadly a scorer but he is deadly efficient. Even in the Finals against LA, he made that clutch three and only in their 2nd try where Rondo opted to pass out to Pierce did Boston lose their chance at a ring. He is a classic case of a guy without half the talent but thanks to his athleticism and killer instinct, he's able to to be one of the few passing pgs whose assist numbers are overrated in terms of acquiring them but underrated in terms of how he opens up plays for his team.

Boston's offense sucked more because Doc is overrated. He's not a true player coach until he came to Boston and his chemistry with a young Rondo is what made up for half of his set's efficiency and the other half is made up for the talent receiving those passes. Even if we buy that he sucks though, at least, Boston's threat as a playoff team puts their offense to mediocre. People also tend to overrate Boston's talent. They have a deceptive core that can put up gaudy stats but not one player in there is a consistent "drop off" type of scorer.

Allen showed he can go red hot one series and go cold against LA, Pierce is the definition of a ball stopper who's clutch but he's not really a red hot shooter either, Garnett is not a pure jump shooter. As far as the Big 4 was concerned, Eddie House was their consistent go to guy. They never really had a player that can shoot as hot as a red hot Melo, Kobe, Durant...and even for mid-level guys, they don't have Rashard Lewis in his prime, Lebron when he's hot, Steve Kerr-lite...if Rondo was just a top 10 rather than top 5 pg, that team would have been like Utah...constantly getting eliminated in the early rounds but Rondo gives them a type of Gritty leadership that a pass first pg needs to have. Something Deron Williams lacks. Chris Paul at times will abandon. Rose will at times prefer to score over creating shots. Those elements other pgs lack is what puts Rondo at the top 5. He's a class of his own much like the other elite pgs. Other pgs may get the same stats but Boston's impact as a playoff team would suffer. It'd be like switching between Nate Robinson and Eddie House. What looks obvious on paper doesn't translate well in the playoffs.
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Re: Rondo is overrated 

Post#64 » by Doormatt » Sun Jun 3, 2012 1:17 pm

youre post makes little to no sense. citing one instance where he hit a shot makes him efficient? when has rondo ever been close to the ~60 TS% playoff runs nash and cp3 have had? when has he ever carried the boston offense for an entire series?
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Re: Rondo is overrated 

Post#65 » by Archerbro » Sun Jun 3, 2012 1:19 pm

i think op went full (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

Rondo not top 5 pg? u realize u can argue/make the case he's the best pg right now.
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Post#66 » by Stunnaboy2K11 » Sun Jun 3, 2012 1:20 pm

wjun15 wrote:hes a top 5 PG but hes a bit overrated. Put any good PG on the celts and theyd average 10+ assists...especially with all the great shooters...even their PFs are great shooters. But what separates him is his defense. I'd like to see if Rondo would do the same on the clippers


Something tells me you do not watch the Celtics.

Also, people don't realize that the Celtics actually hold Rondo's assists back. He plays on one of the slowest teams in the league, and I cannot tell you how many times he runs a fast break and ends up being the only person there. If Rondo played on a young athletic team that ran all the time I could see him averaging 13+ assists in a season.
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Re: Rondo is overrated 

Post#67 » by Archerbro » Sun Jun 3, 2012 1:21 pm

Dagameplaya PnG wrote:
gamby wrote:Only Celtics fans would say Rondo is a top-5 pg.


you're clearly biased because the guy plays in a Celtics uniform. Rondo is indeed a top 5 point guard.


but wait only a celtic fan would say that and you're a laker fan!

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Post#68 » by Setshot33 » Sun Jun 3, 2012 1:39 pm

Replace the name Rondo in the title with Deron Williams and you might have a more truthful thread.
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Post#69 » by Mr Knick » Sun Jun 3, 2012 1:40 pm

If Rondo played for the Lakers? They might not be sitting at home & watching the WCF on Tv.
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Re: Rondo is overrated 

Post#70 » by Roddy » Sun Jun 3, 2012 1:41 pm

wjun15 wrote:Put any good PG on the celts and theyd average 10+ assists...especially with all the great shooters...even their PFs are great shooters. But what separates him is his defense. I'd like to see if Rondo would do the same on the clippers


Maybe it's time for you to watch Celtics games. Seems like you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Re: Rondo is overrated 

Post#71 » by Andre3822 » Sun Jun 3, 2012 1:49 pm

Playoffs wise, he is easily top 3... he has a case for 1#

Rondo is a winner, he has shown that his increased play in the playoffs is not a fluke.
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Re: Rondo is overrated 

Post#72 » by Dagameplaya PnG » Sun Jun 3, 2012 1:54 pm

Archerbro wrote:
Dagameplaya PnG wrote:
gamby wrote:Only Celtics fans would say Rondo is a top-5 pg.


you're clearly biased because the guy plays in a Celtics uniform. Rondo is indeed a top 5 point guard.


but wait only a celtic fan would say that and you're a laker fan!

op's head may have just exploded.


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Re: Rondo is overrated 

Post#73 » by Doormatt » Sun Jun 3, 2012 1:59 pm

Mr Knick wrote:If Rondo played for the Lakers? They might not be sitting at home & watching the WCF on Tv.


well upgrading from nothing wouldve been something nice, but im pretty sure we still wouldve lost.
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Post#74 » by Long Duk Dong » Sun Jun 3, 2012 2:06 pm

Seems more like rondo is underrated. Scoring isnt the end all for whos the better player.
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Post#75 » by misterD » Sun Jun 3, 2012 2:07 pm

I've always wondered what Rondo would do without three HOFers on his team. I say he would be a top 10-15 PG tops without the big 3.
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Re: Rondo is overrated 

Post#76 » by GrandTheftRondo » Sun Jun 3, 2012 2:08 pm

GetItDone wrote:Give any PG 10 feet to operate and they'd rack up 10+ assists playing in a system that has as many set plays as the Celtics.

Then why is it that when Rondo has been out injured in the past, we struggle and no one fills the void consistently? You never saw Delonte West, Nate Robinson or Avery Bradley putting up 10-15 assists every night as the starting point guard in Rondo's absence.
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Re: Rondo is overrated 

Post#77 » by tiderulz » Sun Jun 3, 2012 2:13 pm

Doormatt wrote:i havent seen one person in this thread give any evidence of how rondo is a top 5 point guard.


havent see one reason from you as to why he isnt top 5.
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Re: Rondo is overrated 

Post#78 » by smith2373 » Sun Jun 3, 2012 2:16 pm

I love the double standards of RealGM.

Dwyane Wade isn't a good shooter, Magic Johnson wasn't a good shooter, Jason Kids in his prime wasn't a good shooter, Bob Cousy couldn't shoot.

Do you think they're all overrated to?

And people in 2012 are still saying Rondo's assists are inflated because of the Big 3? You can tell who doesn't watch games.
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Re: Rondo is overrated 

Post#79 » by kyphi » Sun Jun 3, 2012 2:18 pm

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Re: Rondo is overrated 

Post#80 » by Groove » Sun Jun 3, 2012 2:23 pm

kyphi wrote:never argue with a fool - Mark Twain


Well said. Don't try to convince a r3tard. He will always think that he is right and will never change his opinion no matter how obvious the proof is.

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