Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard (POR)

God Squad · Post #341 » by **God Squad** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 4:47 pm

Hey I said "Best Case" and yea it could be off. But he has the Athleticism, handle and jumper to be a good pg. Simple

BillyGM · Post #342 » by **BillyGM** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 4:51 pm

Lamb has a Reggie Miller comparison, so your comparison is okay, I would say.

sca · Post #343 » by **sca** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 6:01 pm

BillyGM wrote:Lamb has a Reggie Miller comparison, so your comparison is okay, I would say.

DeShawn Stevenson had a Michael Jordan comparison, just sayin'. nbadraft.net sucks at comparisons.

lander · Post #344 » by **lander** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 6:24 pm

sca wrote:
BillyGM wrote:Lamb has a Reggie Miller comparison, so your comparison is okay, I would say.

DeShawn Stevenson had a Michael Jordan comparison, just sayin'. nbadraft.net sucks at comparisons.

And don't forget Beal is like Ray Allen...So basically no comparing young players who haven't played in the league to a future HOF, the greatest player ever or a HOF shooter who happens to be one of the best shooters of all time. :wink:

Westbrook as his ceiling by comparison isn't as sacrilegious since he's only an All Star so far lol.

BillyGM · Post #345 » by **BillyGM** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 6:57 pm

Westbrooks bestcase at Draftexpress was Leandro Barbosa

Dr Positivity · Post #346 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:21 pm

Double Helix wrote:One of the draft sites recently presented a new comparison for Lillard that I think's very compelling. Watch this clip and tell me you don't see some similarities in speed, athleticism, height, shooting stroke and playing style. Jay Williams was better younger and had the makings of becoming a star PG. I do find myself wondering how good Lillard might be if he lands in the right spot. Anyway, here's the vid.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avuG5Bjqk58&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/youtube]

The only dangerous part about this comparison is whenever I see Bulls fans post about Jay Williams, they seem convinced by his rookie season that he was going to bust anyways and the stats back it up to me. The problem with Jay is that as a score first guard his biggest appeal was his shooting (he his 38% on 3s on 8 attempts a game in college) but he had a huge red flag attached to that, he was in the high 60s in FT% each of his 3 college seasons. Elite outside shooters basically don't hit FTs like that. Then his rookie year he was 32.2% from 3 on 0.9 makes a game, a very very worrying mediocre number. He also had a 42% 2P that year. At age 22 being a score first guard with a 39.9% FG and .472 TS%, the signs were pretty bad. Sort of like if Kemba Walker got in a motorcycle accident and never played again after his rookie year - I think the tea leaves are pretty discouraging for Kemba's chance to be a star anyway

OTOH Lillard is one of the best FT shooters in college (89% on 8 attempts a game) so the signs are more encouraging that he's actually a future elite 3pt shooter

BillyGM · Post #347 » by **BillyGM** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:26 pm

future elite 3pt shooter

Isn't that the thing that Raptors lack the most? Day by day I get a feeling he might be the best fit for Raptors. What if we don't sign Nash? We probably have small chances off getting Lowry/ Dragic. So it's time to search for our future PG. Lillard is the guy. Calderon/Lillard combo I think is better than Calderon/Bayless, we can let go Bayless and sign/trade for a SF. Lillard eventually would take the starting spot, might be even in his rookie season.
So personally I would take only Robinson/MKG/Barnes/Beal if they drop ahead of Lillard.

lander · Post #348 » by **lander** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:34 pm

BillyGM wrote:Westbrooks bestcase at Draftexpress was Leandro Barbosa

Lulz

TheDunc · Post #349 » by **TheDunc** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:43 pm

Lillard is a great consolation prize if we dont get somebody who drops. Matter of fact i wouldnt be suprised if Lillard jumped ahead into the top 7.

Post #350 » by **DG88** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:53 pm

I'm really feeling like Lillard will be the pick. We've been needing a guard that that shift the defense by getting into the paint and kicking it out to open shooters. Now people can say well we got Bayless so there's no need to draft Lillard. Now that's being short sighted to the fact that Bayless will be a free agent next year along with Jose. Bayless still doesn't know when to give up the ball and plays more of a one on one game than a team game. There's no guarantee that Bayless will be on the roster next season. We all know he does not play well as a backup, but plays well as a starter. With Jose being the starter next season Bayless will have to come off the bench. In the case for Lillard he's a team first guy and is willing to give up the ball for a better shot and make plays for teammates. He's got a better handle and can shift the defense better since he has a better set of misdirection moves. He can play off the ball as well coming off screen and shooting the 3 with a high percentage and you won't have to worry about him playing out of control like Bayless will. I really like Lillard in the open floor he makes great lead passes ahead to his teammates on the break for easy scores. He's a notorious gym rat and a good defensive player. He's got great physical tools with his 6'9 wingspan, solid frame, solid athleticism, speed and quickness. The part I like about him the most is that he's a humble kid who's dedicated. He's the type of high character guy that BC likes, I can easily see him being the guy we choose with the 8th pick come June 28th.

Post #351 » by **Double Helix** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 8:05 pm

TheDunc wrote:Lillard is a great consolation prize if we dont get somebody who drops. Matter of fact i wouldnt be suprised if Lillard jumped ahead into the top 7.

I don't think any one of Lamb, Lillard or Sullinger (if he measures out at being 6'10 with a solid wingspan) will be busts and I expect all 3 to have good to very good NBA careers. I'll be happy with any one of them to varying degrees.

TheDunc · Post #352 » by **TheDunc** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 8:32 pm

Double Helix wrote:
TheDunc wrote:Lillard is a great consolation prize if we dont get somebody who drops. Matter of fact i wouldnt be suprised if Lillard jumped ahead into the top 7.

I don't think any one of Lamb, Lillard or Sullinger (if he measures out at being 6'10 with a solid wingspan) will be busts and I expect all 3 to have good to very good NBA careers. I'll be happy with any one of them to varying degrees.

Any chance a guy like Thomas Robinson drops if he only measures at 6'7?

I could see something like this happening

1.Davis
2.Mkg
3.Beal
4.Drummond
5.Barnes
6.Lamb
7.Lillard
8.Robinson

This is my dream scenario but id still be happy with Lamb or Lillard.

Post #353 » by **TheDoctor** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 8:45 pm

The funny thing is... if Robinson measures around the same size as MKG, he might still be as good or a better prospect. But I think he's at worst 6'8", and strikes me as a bit like Amir physically. Which is just fine as a PF, especially with his energy.

cdel00 · Post #354 » by **cdel00** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 12:39 am

Lillard was asked in a tweet:
Pass or Score?

Lillard answered:
The right play.

That's why I believe in the guy. When you watch him play you notice he almost always makes the "right play. Friggen guy is gonna be great.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #355 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:37 pm

I'm really interested to see how Lillard measures out in the combine this week (Thursday-Friday). If that 6-9'' wingspan is accurate, and he does well overall in the other athletic tests, I think he could go ahead of us, maybe to Portland. Either way, we need one of those guys with mismatch potential on the perimeter, a guy who'll be tough to contain on a nightly basis and especially in the 4th quarter of games - there's two guys who could fit the bill here - Lillard is one, Jeremy Lamb is the other.

A guy with go-to potential during crunch time will do wonders for this team. Not sure if we can continue to rely on DeMar to be that guy, despite Casey wanting him to develop into that kind of player.

wanker · Post #356 » by **wanker** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:45 pm

cdel00 wrote:Friggen guy is gonna be great

I could definitely see him as an all-star in the D-League.

Al_Oliver · Post #357 » by **Al_Oliver** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:06 pm

wanker wrote:
cdel00 wrote:Friggen guy is gonna be great

I could definitely see him as an all-star in the D-League.

Brilliant insight. thanks for coming out.

Lillard, for the uninformed, was the 2nd highest scorer and had the 2nd highest PER in NCAA basketball. But yeah, his ceiling is D-League allstar...

malachii · Post #358 » by **malachii** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:20 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:I'm really interested to see how Lillard measures out in the combine this week (Thursday-Friday). If that 6-9'' wingspan is accurate, and he does well overall in the other athletic tests, I think he could go ahead of us, maybe to Portland. Either way, we need one of those guys with mismatch potential on the perimeter, a guy who'll be tough to contain on a nightly basis and especially in the 4th quarter of games - there's two guys who could fit the bill here - Lillard is one, Jeremy Lamb is the other.

A guy with go-to potential during crunch time will do wonders for this team. Not sure if we can continue to rely on DeMar to be that guy, despite Casey wanting him to develop into that kind of player.

His going ahead of us is my main concern - the combine results worry me. His agent (via googling) states he regularly measures a 40 inch vertical. If true, I'm worried. He's the guy I want. I hope that he's a tough sell at 6 due to his college. What about the warriors though?

source: http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index ... -poll.html

Even worse - if Lillard does jump, does that cause Barnes to fall, which in turn causes Brian to pick him?

Post #359 » by **DG88** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:17 pm

malachii wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:I'm really interested to see how Lillard measures out in the combine this week (Thursday-Friday). If that 6-9'' wingspan is accurate, and he does well overall in the other athletic tests, I think he could go ahead of us, maybe to Portland. Either way, we need one of those guys with mismatch potential on the perimeter, a guy who'll be tough to contain on a nightly basis and especially in the 4th quarter of games - there's two guys who could fit the bill here - Lillard is one, Jeremy Lamb is the other.

A guy with go-to potential during crunch time will do wonders for this team. Not sure if we can continue to rely on DeMar to be that guy, despite Casey wanting him to develop into that kind of player.

His going ahead of us is my main concern - the combine results worry me. His agent (via googling) states he regularly measures a 40 inch vertical. If true, I'm worried. He's the guy I want. I hope that he's a tough sell at 6 due to his college. What about the warriors though?

source: http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index ... -poll.html

Even worse - if Lillard does jump, does that cause Barnes to fall, which in turn causes Brian to pick him?

At this point Portland is the team I'm worried about taking Lillard at 6. They do have a PG issue that they need to settle this offseason. They know that if they don't pick Lillard at 6 TOR or NO might take him with the 8th and 10th pick respectively. Now if we take Lillard then IMO NO takes Marshall, leaving Portland with no young PG to groom. They could get either Nash or Dragic in the offseason but those two will come will a higher price tag. I just hope Portland takes someone else giving us the opportunity to draft Lillard.

Illuminati_ · Post #360 » by **Illuminati_** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:25 pm

With no playing making from the wing to speak of this board really wants to draft a kid who really aint a nba pg? With all the negative comments about bayless im shocked yall just want a clone. Mabe lilliard being a rookie makes it sexier? Ill give it half a year regardless of who drafts the kid before the board hates him.

If still on the Board by our pick what are the chanches we draft him?