First Round Playoff Thread

[europa]

I thought the call on LeBron was bad but it had to be made because the same call was made against Garnett (which I also thought was bad).

The one where he blatantly held LeBron so LeBron couldn't play help defense?

The one where the two of them were arm wrestling for position and pulled each other to the ground.

[Newz]

I thought the call on LeBron was bad but it had to be made because the same call was made against Garnett (which I also thought was bad).

The one where he blatantly held LeBron so LeBron couldn't play help defense?

The one where the two of them were arm wrestling for position and pulled each other to the ground.

Are you sure you actually watched that play?

Rondo blew by his defender, LeBron tried to release to help, KG BLATANTLY held onto his arm, LeBron tried to pull away, there was no call, LeBron tried to pull away again, LeBron looked at the ref, LeBron flopped and KG went down with him.

LeBron basically had to flop to get the call that should have been called before the flop.

On the Pietrus/LeBron one... LeBron went to the post, Pietrus wrapped his arm around his waist and then it looked like either Pietrus dragged him down (this seemed more likely watching the replays) or LeBron fell back into him and they both went down. Either way those were completely different plays.

You should watch the replay again if you can... KG basically grabs LeBron arm so he can't get away and play help D on the Rondo layup.

[europa]

Watched the play. Saw the replays. I wouldn't have made the call on Garnett but once it was made the refs had to call LeBron for doing the same thing. I think in both cases you had two players battling for position with both grabbing each other and since both were grabbing one another I wouldn't have made a call favoring either player.

[BUCKnation]

In real time both plays looked similar, but when viewed with the replay they are different. Pietrus and Lebron sold theirs well.

[Newz]

Watched the play. Saw the replays. I wouldn't have made the call on Garnett but once it was made the refs had to call LeBron for doing the same thing. I think in both cases you had two players battling for position with both grabbing each other and since both were grabbing one another I wouldn't have made a call favoring either player.

So it's okay to grab guys so that they can't play help defense in the paint?

[europa]

Watched the play. Saw the replays. I wouldn't have made the call on Garnett but once it was made the refs had to call LeBron for doing the same thing. I think in both cases you had two players battling for position with both grabbing each other and since both were grabbing one another I wouldn't have made a call favoring either player.

So it's okay to grab guys so that they can't play help defense in the paint?

I think both players were grabbing one another and grappling with one another. If anything that was a double foul, much moreso than the one they actually called on Garnett and LeBron. On that play, I didn't see LeBron do anything wrong.

[Newz]

I think both players were grabbing one another and grappling with one another. If anything that was a double foul, much moreso than the one they actually called on Garnett and LeBron. On that play, I didn't see LeBron do anything wrong.

I agree that earlier on in the play a foul could have been called on either guy. Their arms were tangled and they were banging on each other pretty hard.

However, when the foul was actually called... KG was holding onto LeBron and it was on purpose so that he couldn't play help D.

[jerrod]

it wasn't a rebound that they were battling for position to get, garnett doesn't have the right hold lebron to keep him from rotating over

[jr lucosa]

I thought the call on Garnett was legit. He grabbed Lebrons arm and hooked it in so he couldn't move. The last one on Lebron was questionable at best, especially with him already having 5. Nothing with these refs surprise me anymore though at one point we saw Wade almost tackle Pierce to the ground, foul him atleast twice and get no called, run back the other way with the ball and get a ticky tack and 1.

[Newz]

Yeah, the no call on Wade was absolutely hilarious.

That was like a pro wrestling move or something.

[europa]

The last one on Lebron was questionable at best, especially with him already having 5.

I don't think that should matter. I don't like the idea that if a player commits a foul it shouldn't be called because he's a star player in danger of being disqualified. The NBA already shows enough favoritism towards its stars and I can't stand it. A foul should be a foul, regardless of who commits it or what the game situation happens to be.

[jr lucosa]

The last one on Lebron was questionable at best, especially with him already having 5.

I don't think that should matter. I don't like the idea that if a player commits a foul it shouldn't be called because he's a star player in danger of being disqualified. The NBA already shows enough favoritism towards its stars and I can't stand it. A foul should be a foul, regardless of who commits it or what the game situation happens to be.

Normally I agree, but the refs never call that foul on a star in that situation. It's just another play that was not officiated in a consistent matter. The refs are trying to take over all these games. They are trying to make every game close, they are trying to make every series long. If we had good officiating on a normal basis i'd agree with you but in a league that is clearly catering to the superstars you cannot make that foul call. By making that call it makes the refs look worse than if they didn't, especially because it was questionable at best. If it's a clear foul fine but it wasn't imo.

Yeah, the no call on Wade was absolutely hilarious.

That was like a pro wrestling move or something.

All he needs now is a name for his takedown

[europa]

I think the LeBron call was officiated in a consistent matter given how the Garnett call had been made previously. Again, I think both were similar calls. If you call the foul on Garnett, you have to make the call on LeBron. I didn't have a problem with the call because of that. I would've had a major problem if they didn't make a call merely because it was going to foul LeBron out. To that I say, tough s**t.

And that's not cuz I think LeBron's a giant douche.

Well maybe a little.

[jr lucosa]

I guess I disagree on how similar those fouls were. Garnett's was a clear foul that you had to call, the one on Lebron was not. I didn't mind the final outcome since I want the C's to win, but to me it was yet another game this postseason that I come away from feeling like the refs made a bigger impact than most the players did.

[europa]

I think the foul the Heat should be most upset about was the double foul call on Garnett and LeBron. As I posted earlier, I didn't see LeBron do anything wrong there. That was all Garnett. So if that had been called properly, LeBron's final call would've been his fifth. To me, the earlier call was the far bigger issue than the last one.

[jr lucosa]

The double foul was rediculous. How often do you see that called? Almost never and it did not appear to be a double foul at all. Overall I thought it was a deplorable night for all the officials involved.

[Nebula1]

OKC @ SAS Game 5

[Nebula1]

Kevin Durant is starting tonight.

[The Wet Whistle]

I can't stand Manu

[paul]

Um, Serge. 35 seconds?