1st rd pick general discussion #2 overall (Poll Added)

[captaincrunk]

Just because I can … based on the Higgens/Cho interview back in late Feb (http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/02/25/ ... rylink=rss).

What Cho looks for when evaluating players

Positives (4 C's)
* Guys who compete
* Guys with character
* Guys who have consistency
* Guys who cover (play defense)

Negatives (4 S's)
* Guys who are slow
* Guys who are soft
* Guys who are stupid
* Guys who are selfish


Just my impression but Thomas and MKG seem to fit the 4 C’s the most. Barnes and Drummond seem to hit a few of the 4 S’s IMHO. Not really sure where Beal fits either way.

4 C's

Was beal consistent? It sounds like he wasn't a super consistent shooter because he missed so much early on

[TheKingofSting]

Was beal consistent? It sounds like he wasn't a super consistent shooter because he missed so much early on

Once he adjusted to the college game yes. It just took him a bit.

When do team specific workouts take place?

I asked Bonnell on twitter and all he said was after the combine which is Thursday and Friday.

[Eoghan]

From favorite to least
1) T-Rob as much of a can't miss as you can get, the only knock his haters have on him is his height, when there has been HOF PF's who have been shorter then him and dominated
2)MKG- def has potential, and would have the most trade value initially
3) Brad Beal- Do not want, he plays like a old man ray allen, Reggie Miller IMO is his ceiling
4)Andre Drummond - Dude will be a bust, I can just look at his face and tell

I'd take PJ3 and Harrison Barnes over MKG, Beal and Drummond

Amazing substance based critical analysis as usual. I like how you infer that people who don't want to draft an undersized PF are "haters" but you can look at someone's face and tell they'll be a bust. Amazing.

[captaincrunk]

Was beal consistent? It sounds like he wasn't a super consistent shooter because he missed so much early on

Once he adjusted to the college game yes. It just took him a bit.

Easy to say that right now, but I don't think it screams consistency.

[TheKingofSting]

Was beal consistent? It sounds like he wasn't a super consistent shooter because he missed so much early on

Once he adjusted to the college game yes. It just took him a bit.

Easy to say that right now, but I don't think it screams consistency.

You don't lead your team to the Elite Eight averaging over 15 points per game while shooting a combined 23-38 from the field without being consistent.

[captaincrunk]

Once he adjusted to the college game yes. It just took him a bit.

Easy to say that right now, but I don't think it screams consistency.

You don't lead your team to the Elite Eight averaging over 15 points per game while shooting a combined 23-38 from the field without being consistent.

Well, unless you had a hot streak eh? If he consistently shot 22/38 (58%) that would indeed be brilliant.

[penquin11]

The Bobcats are in the same position that the 2010-2011 Panthers were in entering the draft (although the Panthers had the #1 pick) in that both teams seemed to be severely lacking talent and offensive capability. The Panthers decided to draft the controversial Cam Newton with the first pick of that draft even though many thought it could be up to 3 years before he saw playing time as a starter- and despite the fact that many "experts" considered him to not even be the top QB in the draft, in short the Panthers took a HUGE risk on a boom or bust "super athlete" prospect- and it paid off. The Bobcats need to do the same thing- we don't need to draft conservatively- drafting conservatively is what has Gotten the Bobcats into the situation they are now in! Im not calling for the Bobcats to draft a guy who has no potential or anything like that- rather Im calling for quite the opposite- the Bobcats need to take a shot at the player with the most potential at their pick.
With all of this in mind Andre Drummond is the obvious pick at #2.

(How he can cure our Offense)
This is easy- how the hell do you stop a 6-10 (Im betting hes actually taller than that) center who is as fast as a deer from scoring without either fouling him or getting him to foul? Furthermore, aside from the Roy Hibbert's and Dwight's of the NBA who would be able to guard the man in the post given his combination of strength, agility, and size (if he learns post moves)? To top it off Drummond has shown a midrange shooting ability and good passing skills..... If he can learn some post moves then he will become one of the top Centers in the NBA....

(Who we shouldn't pick!)
MKG: The guy isn't an elite athlete, doesn't have a great shot, is a tweener, lacks great ball handles, and is only 6'6.... The fact that he is projected as a 1st round pick comes as a surprise to me.
Beal: Beal can shoot- and isn't that bad of a prospect- but our best player is a SG and we already have an undersized Guard squad..... Beal wouldn't be an immediate starter and would likely struggle to find his place in our rotation.

[HasheemThabeet]

6'9 is too small at power forward but 6'10 is just fine for a center

[captaincrunk]

6'9 is too small at power forward but 6'10 is just fine for a center

if t-rob is 6'9" that's adequate size, meaning I'd feel comfortable putting them against pretty much any PF. Guys like Gasol and Dirk require more finesse from the coaching to defend anyway.. 6'11" or more would be great size for a power forward, as in I'd expect them to have the benefit of the matchup size wise most nights, yeah? A center, well, you want as tall as possible don't you? While retaining the same athletic abilities? Given two equal players in a hypothetical universe where such things happen, I'd take the taller center. But 6'10" is pretty reasonable. Especially for a good athlete at the center position like Dwight (or perhaps Drummond?).

[debo23]

The Bobcats are in the same position that the 2010-2011 Panthers were in entering the draft (although the Panthers had the #1 pick) in that both teams seemed to be severely lacking talent and offensive capability. The Panthers decided to draft the controversial Cam Newton with the first pick of that draft even though many thought it could be up to 3 years before he saw playing time as a starter- and despite the fact that many "experts" considered him to not even be the top QB in the draft, in short the Panthers took a HUGE risk on a boom or bust "super athlete" prospect- and it paid off. The Bobcats need to do the same thing- we don't need to draft conservatively- drafting conservatively is what has Gotten the Bobcats into the situation they are now in! Im not calling for the Bobcats to draft a guy who has no potential or anything like that- rather Im calling for quite the opposite- the Bobcats need to take a shot at the player with the most potential at their pick.
With all of this in mind Andre Drummond is the obvious pick at #2.

Pretty epic post there... have to say that I'm sold. Count me in on the Drummond bandwagon.

Now if we could just figure out how to pickup PJIII too

[KembaWalker]

The Bobcats are in the same position that the 2010-2011 Panthers were in entering the draft (although the Panthers had the #1 pick) in that both teams seemed to be severely lacking talent and offensive capability. The Panthers decided to draft the controversial Cam Newton with the first pick of that draft even though many thought it could be up to 3 years before he saw playing time as a starter- and despite the fact that many "experts" considered him to not even be the top QB in the draft, in short the Panthers took a HUGE risk on a boom or bust "super athlete" prospect- and it paid off. The Bobcats need to do the same thing- we don't need to draft conservatively- drafting conservatively is what has Gotten the Bobcats into the situation they are now in! Im not calling for the Bobcats to draft a guy who has no potential or anything like that- rather Im calling for quite the opposite- the Bobcats need to take a shot at the player with the most potential at their pick.
With all of this in mind Andre Drummond is the obvious pick at #2.

Except Cam Newton won the Heisman, led his team to an undefeated season and championship, passed for 30/7 td/int 3000 yards and 1500 yards rushing for 20 TDs.

If Drummond won player of the year, averaged 25/15, led his team to a championship and was white he might be somewhat comparable to Newton.

But no, he averaged 10/7 and he and his team played far below expectations, culminating in a loss in the first round of the NCAA tournament.

[James Gatz]

The Bobcats are in the same position that the 2010-2011 Panthers were in entering the draft (although the Panthers had the #1 pick) in that both teams seemed to be severely lacking talent and offensive capability. The Panthers decided to draft the controversial Cam Newton with the first pick of that draft even though many thought it could be up to 3 years before he saw playing time as a starter- and despite the fact that many "experts" considered him to not even be the top QB in the draft, in short the Panthers took a HUGE risk on a boom or bust "super athlete" prospect- and it paid off. The Bobcats need to do the same thing- we don't need to draft conservatively- drafting conservatively is what has Gotten the Bobcats into the situation they are now in! Im not calling for the Bobcats to draft a guy who has no potential or anything like that- rather Im calling for quite the opposite- the Bobcats need to take a shot at the player with the most potential at their pick.
With all of this in mind Andre Drummond is the obvious pick at #2.

Except Cam Newton won the Heisman, led his team to an undefeated season and championship, passed for 30/7 td/int 3000 yards and 1500 yards rushing for 20 TDs.

If Drummond won player of the year, averaged 25/15, led his team to a championship and was white he might be somewhat comparable to Newton.

But no, he averaged 10/7 and he and his team played far below expectations, culminating in a loss in the first round of the NCAA tournament.

Actually dude those are pretty apt comparisons. Little known fact Cam Newton is actually Andre Drummond's 2nd cousin twice removed.

[TheKingofSting]

The Bobcats are in the same position that the 2010-2011 Panthers were in entering the draft (although the Panthers had the #1 pick) in that both teams seemed to be severely lacking talent and offensive capability. The Panthers decided to draft the controversial Cam Newton with the first pick of that draft even though many thought it could be up to 3 years before he saw playing time as a starter- and despite the fact that many "experts" considered him to not even be the top QB in the draft, in short the Panthers took a HUGE risk on a boom or bust "super athlete" prospect- and it paid off. The Bobcats need to do the same thing- we don't need to draft conservatively- drafting conservatively is what has Gotten the Bobcats into the situation they are now in! Im not calling for the Bobcats to draft a guy who has no potential or anything like that- rather Im calling for quite the opposite- the Bobcats need to take a shot at the player with the most potential at their pick.
With all of this in mind Andre Drummond is the obvious pick at #2.

(How he can cure our Offense)
This is easy- how the hell do you stop a 6-10 (Im betting hes actually taller than that) center who is as fast as a deer from scoring without either fouling him or getting him to foul? Furthermore, aside from the Roy Hibbert's and Dwight's of the NBA who would be able to guard the man in the post given his combination of strength, agility, and size (if he learns post moves)? To top it off Drummond has shown a midrange shooting ability and good passing skills..... If he can learn some post moves then he will become one of the top Centers in the NBA....

(Who we shouldn't pick!)
MKG: The guy isn't an elite athlete, doesn't have a great shot, is a tweener, lacks great ball handles, and is only 6'6.... The fact that he is projected as a 1st round pick comes as a surprise to me.
Beal: Beal can shoot- and isn't that bad of a prospect- but our best player is a SG and we already have an undersized Guard squad..... Beal wouldn't be an immediate starter and would likely struggle to find his place in our rotation.

As stated I see it the same way except in Beal's favor. Let's not add another LUL moment by being the team that passes on a future 10+ time All Star and possible HOF.

[countryboi]

The Bobcats are in the same position that the 2010-2011 Panthers were in entering the draft (although the Panthers had the #1 pick) in that both teams seemed to be severely lacking talent and offensive capability. The Panthers decided to draft the controversial Cam Newton with the first pick of that draft even though many thought it could be up to 3 years before he saw playing time as a starter- and despite the fact that many "experts" considered him to not even be the top QB in the draft, in short the Panthers took a HUGE risk on a boom or bust "super athlete" prospect- and it paid off. The Bobcats need to do the same thing- we don't need to draft conservatively- drafting conservatively is what has Gotten the Bobcats into the situation they are now in! Im not calling for the Bobcats to draft a guy who has no potential or anything like that- rather Im calling for quite the opposite- the Bobcats need to take a shot at the player with the most potential at their pick.
With all of this in mind Andre Drummond is the obvious pick at #2.

(How he can cure our Offense)
This is easy- how the hell do you stop a 6-10 (Im betting hes actually taller than that) center who is as fast as a deer from scoring without either fouling him or getting him to foul? Furthermore, aside from the Roy Hibbert's and Dwight's of the NBA who would be able to guard the man in the post given his combination of strength, agility, and size (if he learns post moves)? To top it off Drummond has shown a midrange shooting ability and good passing skills..... If he can learn some post moves then he will become one of the top Centers in the NBA....

(Who we shouldn't pick!)
MKG: The guy isn't an elite athlete, doesn't have a great shot, is a tweener, lacks great ball handles, and is only 6'6.... The fact that he is projected as a 1st round pick comes as a surprise to me.
Beal: Beal can shoot- and isn't that bad of a prospect- but our best player is a SG and we already have an undersized Guard squad..... Beal wouldn't be an immediate starter and would likely struggle to find his place in our rotation.

I thought about this panther / bobcat comparion...I think Robinson and beal and MKG will call be good but I think drummond is going to be one of those players that we look back and say what the hell were they thinking when they passed on him

[HasheemThabeet]

what happens if Newton keeps throwing picks next year?

[SWedd523]

I thought about this panther / bobcat comparion...I think Robinson and beal and MKG will call be good but I think drummond is going to be one of those players that we look back and say what the hell were they thinking when they passed on him

Unfortunately, you could just as easily say

"I think drummond is going to be one of those players that we look back and say what the hell were they thinking when they picked him"

[SWedd523]

what happens if Newton keeps throwing picks next year?

He would be a better NBA player than Thabust ever was

[KembaWalker]

what happens if Newton keeps throwing picks next year?

He'll still be a Pro Bowler and leading a top 5 offense? lol @ trying to diss Newton on this board

[TheKingofSting]

what happens if Newton keeps throwing picks next year?

[willbcocks]

As a Wizfan stopping by to see who you're thinking of picking, I second the opinion that Charlotte should swing for the fences with this pick. Someone said that you can't afford a bust, but I strongly disagree--you can easily afford a bust. If you're an (epically) bad team at the very beginning of a rebuilding process, you don't have to be worried about losing talent you already have. Also, since you'll be in the lottery a few more years anyway, picking someone who needs time to develop means you'll have higher picks and a better core 2 years from now.

The Wizards are a team that can't afford a bust. Since we've added Nene and Wall likely will improve next year, we're probably not getting another top 5 pick. This is our best chance to add another impact player, and if we strikeout here, who knows if Wall will stay with the Wiz in the future.

If I were you guys, I'd probably draft MKG. He's younger than Robinson and has high potential but isn't a finished product. He's a perfect fit for a team just beginning it's rebuild. Drummond fits the description, but he'd probably lose the plot on a rebuilding team, assuming he ever had it to begin with.