Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb (HOU)

[5DOM]

Offensively, prime Kevin Martin is better than Richard Hamilton and is basically a Reggie Miller with slightly lower efficiency, so I don't think that's a reason to be underwhelmed tbh.

[DG88]

I think people are making the reference to Kevin Martin as Lamb's tier. He's a tier 2 SG, not exactly a bonfide All-Star, but perhaps maybe a borderline All-Star if everything falls for him. The only thing similar between those two is their physical structure. Game is nothing alike.

I'm just saying people need to lower their expectations on Lamb. Names of All Stars and HOFs are being through around waaay too easily around and people are going to rebel against Lamb like they are with DeRozan now.

[DG88]

Offensively, prime Kevin Martin is better than Richard Hamilton and is basically a Reggie Miller with slightly lower efficiency, so I don't think that's a reason to be underwhelmed tbh.

Hold it, I remember when we had discussions on the board about getting Kevin Martin majority didn't want him, because he does nothing outside of scoring and plays so so defense. Rip Hamilton was an All Star, was great coming off screens, could rebound, pass the ball well, defend and score efficiently. I don't know where you think Kevin Martin is better than Rip Hamilton.

[fredericklove]

Also Kevin Martin doesn't base his game on ball handling, rather, he's one that runs extremely mobile taking full speed into the lane after catching the ball, or goes behind the screen alot to get his shots off, and utilizes alot of p&r at the wing area, and plays mostly at the wing. Lamb, on the other hand, utilizes his dribble to shake his defender more often, plays a slower pace than Martin (no quick dribble nor full speed into the lane), also loves to curl off down screen and plays more at the near top key area. Both have completely different ways of using their screens, ...Kevin also plays more aggressively too (part of the reason why he gets injured alot), that's why he gets to the line alot. Lamb plays the game in a less explosive way. The comparison is basically due to their quick trigger shots, thats it.

[DG88]

Also Kevin Martin doesn't base his game on ball handling, rather, he's one that runs extremely mobile taking full speed into the lane after catching the ball, or goes behind the screen alot to get his shots off, and utilizes alot of p&r at the wing area, and plays mostly at the wing. Lamb, on the other hand, utilizes his dribble to shake his defender more often, plays a slower pace than Martin (no quick dribble nor full speed into the lane), also loves to curl off down screen and plays more at the near top key area. Both have completely different ways of using their screens, ...Kevin also plays more aggressively too (part of the reason why he gets injured alot), that's why he gets to the line alot. Lamb plays the game in a less explosive way. The comparison is basically due to their quick trigger shots, thats it.

A part of the comparison is that like Martin Lamb isn't a great rebounder or passer.

[fredericklove]

I think people are making the reference to Kevin Martin as Lamb's tier. He's a tier 2 SG, not exactly a bonfide All-Star, but perhaps maybe a borderline All-Star if everything falls for him. The only thing similar between those two is their physical structure. Game is nothing alike.

I'm just saying people need to lower their expectations on Lamb. Names of All Stars and HOFs are being through around waaay too easily around and people are going to rebel against Lamb like they are with DeRozan now.

I don't care if people rebel against Lamb whatever, that's for them to judge on in the future.

Who doesn't throw out all star names comparison in comparing all of the prospects? Alot of people do that on realgm, but those of us from draft thread aren't comparing LEVELS. Rather, we emphasize on a player's skillset, break down analysis on what STYLE they play, what they do, us bringing in the comparison isn't necessarily meaning they will play at their level, rather what we comparing is what STYLE they play. Style and level are two big difference, remember that.

It's not like we throw out superstar-type all star comparison to analyze the style of game. We're just bringing in guys who happened to be all stars that have closest resemblance of skillset that we can use to reference the prospects. And one more thing, its the NBAdraft that puts Reggie as Lamb's comparison, so the HOF comparison is not thrown into the mix by any of us realgm people.

[Undefeated]

I'm just saying people need to lower their expectations on Lamb. Names of All Stars and HOFs are being through around waaay too easily around and people are going to rebel against Lamb like they are with DeRozan now.

That's why I never thrown around comparisons for any prospect. The regulars like frederick, Marlo, JamesNaismith, nahom1319, and I usually just discuss what parts of their game they're able to translate over to the pros. I know some people love to throw comparisons, but I couldn't careless about those. I've maintained my view that Lamb is a tier 2 SG based on his current skillset.

EDIT: **** guy how the hell is frederick so fast Yeah, basically what he's talking about, but expanded with more details lol

[5DOM]

Offensively, prime Kevin Martin is better than Richard Hamilton and is basically a Reggie Miller with slightly lower efficiency, so I don't think that's a reason to be underwhelmed tbh.

Hold it, I remember when we had discussions on the board about getting Kevin Martin majority didn't want him, because he does nothing outside of scoring and plays so so defense. Rip Hamilton was an All Star, was great coming off screens, could rebound, pass the ball well, defend and score efficiently. I don't know where you think Kevin Martin is better than Rip Hamilton.

I said "prime" Kevin Martin is better than Richard Hamilton "offensively". Martin does nothing outside of scoring but his shooting efficiency has always been higher than Rip's career high with the exception of his rookie season. It's not like Rip is a complete offensive player either anyway. IMO Kevin Martin at his peak is very much comparable to Rip and Reggie. They are all just very good role players in my eyes and I think Lamb's best case can also be something like that.

[fredericklove]

I'm just saying people need to lower their expectations on Lamb. Names of All Stars and HOFs are being through around waaay too easily around and people are going to rebel against Lamb like they are with DeRozan now.

That's why I never thrown around comparisons for any prospect. The regulars like frederick, Marlo, JamesNaismith, nahom1319, and I usually just discuss what parts of their game they're able to translate over to the pros. I know some people love to throw comparisons, but I couldn't careless about those. I've maintained my view that Lamb is a tier 2 SG based on his current skillset.

EDIT: **** guy how the hell is frederick so fast Yeah, basically what he's talking about, but expanded with more details lol

I'm the watcher of the Lamb thread/draft thread

[Crazy-Canuck]

A prime Kevin Martin with Defense? Thats an AS right there.

[Anatomize]

Lamb plays a lot like Reggie.. the way he curls off screens, stops on a dime, and fluidly brings the ball in off a pass and into a picture perfect jumpshot. He also has those nice tear drops, and he takes advantage when his man out of position trying to recover on his jumper and attacks the basket. He reads the passing lanes defensively and has great arm length to pick off those passes. He's usually the first to leak out on the fast break. I really like so much about his game, as long as the drive is there, there is no reason we should pick anyone else but him skillset wise.

[fredericklove]

Except both Reggie and Hamilton runs extremely hard around those screens, Lamb doesn't run fast and that's the problem I have w/ him. Run faster brah. Cmon.

[nahom1319]

Its funny I threw that comparison out there for lamb back in February-march. I still think the comparison holds true.

[fatal9]

Lamb has way better handles, offensive versatility and athleticism than Kevin Martin. I don't see many similarities in their game. Most of the Lamb comparisons are awful. Rip Hamilton one might have been good a year ago but his handles/pull up game has improved way too much for that to fit. I never got the Reggie Miller comparison at all. People are so lazy with categorizing and comparing players. For Lamb, people have given him the "off-ball" tag so any good SG who played off the ball is his "NBA comparison" despite him barely playing anything like them.

also lol @ people saying Lamb's midrange game would get in DD and Bargnani's "space". Yea...better not draft him. DD and Bargnani are once in a lifetime type of players, you wouldn't want to mess anything up for them. Why do you insist on making a pick to accommodate the crappy players on this roster rather than taking the most talented player available...which is what you do when your team has no all-stars at all (or players even close to playing at that level). If the roster had a bit more talent I could see it, but people really want to draft Lillard (whose ceiling is much lower than Lamb and others) because he fits this pathetic excuse for a roster the best? Don't worry about it though, I'll be shocked if he falls to us after workouts are over.

[OAKLEY_2]

I think Lamb will be good player but when we compare him to Waiters I think Waiters is the player for us. Waiters looks like he is entering the draft a bit too early and it is hurting his stock. In terms of having the potential to be a star he has it all. Almost. He still hasn't got a complete game. At 8 I like Lillard, I like Barnes and Lamb's skill set is way better than posters like Dagger will give him credit for. Lamb = quality shooter/defender/jumper. Decent pick at 8th. Waiters just looks like the player who will be, eventually, so much better than players that go ahead of him and that might even include Beal. Two Syracuse players Waiters and Kris Joseph (draft/stash) might be our best hand played. That would be consistent with 2 rookies not 3 joining the roster next year. Waiters is a Philly kid and is no doubt getting the big endorsement from Alvin Williams. I hope we take some risks and we look for this kind of upside.

[anj]

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[Waylon Mercy]

What do people think Lambs "ceiling" is?

[MainEvent]

I was picturing this in my head when I watched the video earlier

[Kenyon009]

I'm kinda happy he had a bad workout. I hope he falls to the Raps.

[JN]

Do people think Lamb wlll be a hihgly effective three point shooter at the next level -- both in rate and good volume. I am worried about a 34% NCAA shooter -- he forced some shots but also missed some clean looks badly even with the nice stroke.

IMO, he has the skills to play closer to a Hamilton type game more focused on mid range at the NBA level. The challenge for him will be that type of game will require more focus and less settling. 46% of his attempts were threes -- a large factor was Napier -- but also an indication of his being passive.

Part of the reason I bring up Hamilton, is because he had similar shot composition at UConn to Lamb despite not being an elite shooter beyond the line. Hamilton shot 38% at UConn, which is OK from the NCAA line -- and he also had about 39% of his shot attempts from outside. Once he hit the NBA, only 12 percent of his shot attempts have been from three. His skillset did not really change but he played to his strengths.

That will be the key to Lamb IMO. He has got a sweet mid range stroke, but he will have to have the mindset to play to his strengths and not drift to the outside.

It's also interesting that of the three, Ray Allen was the person who shot the least 3's by far at the NCAA level (although at a very good rate).