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1st rd pick general discussion #2 overall (Poll Added)

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Who should the Bobcats draft at #2?

Thomas Robinson: 6-9, 240, PF, Kansas Jr
65
43%
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist: 6-7, 228, SF, Kentucky Fr
24
16%
Andre Drummond: 6-10, 251, C, UConn Fr
28
19%
Bradley Beal: 6-4, 201, SG, Florida Fr
23
15%
Harrison Barnes: 6-8, 223, SF, UNC So
10
7%
 
Total votes: 150

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Re: 1st rd pick general discussion #2 overall (Poll Added) 

Post#821 » by BigSlam » Tue Jun 5, 2012 1:51 am

DJQuick wrote:MKG will score for whoever drafts him, but to me he and Hendo are to similar if we draft MKG we need to trade Hendo for a shooter which I guess I could live with.

Draft MKG - work out a three way trade with two other teams that sends Hendo out and brings OJ Mayo in?
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Re: 1st rd pick general discussion #2 overall (Poll Added) 

Post#822 » by BigSlam » Tue Jun 5, 2012 1:57 am

fatlever wrote:most of us have a favorite between mkg, drummond, robinson and beal. and most of us would actually be ok with 2 or 3 of these guys. but who is the one guy of the four that will upset you the most if chosen?

MKG for me - although I could still easily get behind the pick if it was to happen I guess.
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Re: 1st rd pick general discussion #2 overall (Poll Added) 

Post#823 » by TheKingofSting » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:03 am

willbcocks wrote:As a Wizfan stopping by to see who you're thinking of picking, I second the opinion that Charlotte should swing for the fences with this pick. Someone said that you can't afford a bust, but I strongly disagree--you can easily afford a bust. If you're an (epically) bad team at the very beginning of a rebuilding process, you don't have to be worried about losing talent you already have. Also, since you'll be in the lottery a few more years anyway, picking someone who needs time to develop means you'll have higher picks and a better core 2 years from now.

The Wizards are a team that can't afford a bust. Since we've added Nene and Wall likely will improve next year, we're probably not getting another top 5 pick. This is our best chance to add another impact player, and if we strikeout here, who knows if Wall will stay with the Wiz in the future.

If I were you guys, I'd probably draft MKG. He's younger than Robinson and has high potential but isn't a finished product. He's a perfect fit for a team just beginning it's rebuild. Drummond fits the description, but he'd probably lose the plot on a rebuilding team, assuming he ever had it to begin with.


I hear you guys are high on Beal and MKG, which one would you prefer?
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Post#824 » by willbcocks » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:26 am

Wall can't shoot, nor can our PF, so Beal looks like the perfect fit. On the other hand, Wall + MKG could wreak defensive/fast break havoc like Wade and James. Like most Wiz fans, I'm leaning towards Beal but would be happy with either.
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Post#825 » by Eoghan » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:28 am

KembaWalker wrote:
If Drummond won player of the year, averaged 25/15, led his team to a championship and was white he might be somewhat comparable to Newton.

Wait, Cam Newton's white? What?



Also, there is some serious Beal overrating going on lately.
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Post#826 » by TheKingofSting » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:31 am

willbcocks wrote:Wall can't shoot, nor can our PF, so Beal looks like the perfect fit. On the other hand, Wall + MKG could wreak defensive/fast break havoc like Wade and James. Like most Wiz fans, I'm leaning towards Beal but would be happy with either.


Thanks, Beal + Wall combo would be sick.
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Post#827 » by Eoghan » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:35 am

Yeah, I think for the Wiz Wall and Beal would be great. They need a serious injection of smarts and skill versus athletic hustle guys. Wall is big enough as a PG that it wouldn't be that undersized of a backcourt. I think Barnes would even be a better fit for the Wiz than MKG would.
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Post#828 » by Rich4114 » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:38 am

BigSlam wrote:
fatlever wrote:most of us have a favorite between mkg, drummond, robinson and beal. and most of us would actually be ok with 2 or 3 of these guys. but who is the one guy of the four that will upset you the most if chosen?

MKG for me - although I could still easily get behind the pick if it was to happen I guess.


MKG for me too. Just don't like what I'm reading on him.
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Re: 1st rd pick general discussion #2 overall (Poll Added) 

Post#829 » by JMAC3 » Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:17 am

So basically as far as homer support this is where we stand right now....

Drummond- Brother Dave
Thomas Robinson- Stun
Bradley Beal- Kemba2Hendo
MKG- Me i guess although I feel like I havent torn down other prospects as much except for maybe Drummond.

I would be fine with Robinson, Beal or MKG.... I just really do not think Drummond is going to reach his so called potential and not worth the risk for me especially if it means possibly losing the team again to Seattle.
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Post#830 » by Stun704 » Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:27 am

penquin11 wrote:The Bobcats are in the same position that the 2010-2011 Panthers were in entering the draft (although the Panthers had the #1 pick) in that both teams seemed to be severely lacking talent and offensive capability. The Panthers decided to draft the controversial Cam Newton with the first pick of that draft even though many thought it could be up to 3 years before he saw playing time as a starter- and despite the fact that many "experts" considered him to not even be the top QB in the draft, in short the Panthers took a HUGE risk on a boom or bust "super athlete" prospect- and it paid off. The Bobcats need to do the same thing- we don't need to draft conservatively- drafting conservatively is what has Gotten the Bobcats into the situation they are now in! Im not calling for the Bobcats to draft a guy who has no potential or anything like that- rather Im calling for quite the opposite- the Bobcats need to take a shot at the player with the most potential at their pick.
With all of this in mind Andre Drummond is the obvious pick at #2.

(How he can cure our Offense)
This is easy- how the hell do you stop a 6-10 (Im betting hes actually taller than that) center who is as fast as a deer from scoring without either fouling him or getting him to foul? Furthermore, aside from the Roy Hibbert's and Dwight's of the NBA who would be able to guard the man in the post given his combination of strength, agility, and size (if he learns post moves)? To top it off Drummond has shown a midrange shooting ability and good passing skills..... If he can learn some post moves then he will become one of the top Centers in the NBA....

(Who we shouldn't pick!)
MKG: The guy isn't an elite athlete, doesn't have a great shot, is a tweener, lacks great ball handles, and is only 6'6.... The fact that he is projected as a 1st round pick comes as a surprise to me.
Beal: Beal can shoot- and isn't that bad of a prospect- but our best player is a SG and we already have an undersized Guard squad..... Beal wouldn't be an immediate starter and would likely struggle to find his place in our rotation.

So I hear you're looking for the Cam Newton of this draft

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Post#831 » by Liver_Pooty » Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:40 am

JMAC3 wrote:So basically as far as homer support this is where we stand right now....

Drummond- Brother Dave
Thomas Robinson- Stun
Bradley Beal- Kemba2Hendo
MKG- Me i guess although I feel like I havent torn down other prospects as much except for maybe Drummond.

I would be fine with Robinson, Beal or MKG.... I just really do not think Drummond is going to reach his so called potential and not worth the risk for me especially if it means possibly losing the team again to Seattle.


Count me in on wanting Gilchrist.
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Post#832 » by JMAC3 » Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:41 am

Rookie number projections

Anthony Davis
14 ppg.... 9 rpg.... 3 bpg.... on 55% shooting

Thomas Robinson
14ppg..... 10 rpg.... on 45% shooting... (him shooting midrange brings it down)

Andre Drummond
6ppg..... 6 rpg.... 1.4 bpg.... on 50% shooting... 40% from the free throw line

Bradley Beal
16ppg.... 5 rpg.... 3 apg.... on 43% shooting... 38% from three (I think majority of shots come from behind the line)

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
13 ppg....7 rpg....4 apg.... bpg+spg=3+... on 48% shooting.... 32% from three

Harrison Barnes
12 ppg... 4.5 rpg.... 1apg.... on 42% from field.... 36% from three (same reason as Beal)
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Post#833 » by JMAC3 » Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:44 am

Clearly what team they go to makes a big deal though
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Post#834 » by TheKingofSting » Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:59 am

JMAC3 wrote:Rookie number projections

Anthony Davis
14 ppg.... 9 rpg.... 3 bpg.... on 55% shooting

Thomas Robinson
14ppg..... 10 rpg.... on 45% shooting... (him shooting midrange brings it down)

Andre Drummond
6ppg..... 6 rpg.... 1.4 bpg.... on 50% shooting... 40% from the free throw line

Bradley Beal
16ppg.... 5 rpg.... 3 apg.... on 43% shooting... 38% from three (I think majority of shots come from behind the line)

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
13 ppg....7 rpg....4 apg.... bpg+spg=3+... on 48% shooting.... 32% from three

Harrison Barnes
12 ppg... 4.5 rpg.... 1apg.... on 42% from field.... 36% from three (same reason as Beal)


What site is that from?
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Post#835 » by Liver_Pooty » Tue Jun 5, 2012 6:42 am

Did that come from a site or is that your own projections?
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Post#836 » by captaincrunk » Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:00 pm

JMAC3 wrote:So basically as far as homer support this is where we stand right now....

Drummond- Brother Dave
Thomas Robinson- Stun
Bradley Beal- Kemba2Hendo
MKG- Me i guess although I feel like I havent torn down other prospects as much except for maybe Drummond.

I would be fine with Robinson, Beal or MKG.... I just really do not think Drummond is going to reach his so called potential and not worth the risk for me especially if it means possibly losing the team again to Seattle.

there is absolutely no connection whatsoever between Drummond and the Bobcats "moving to Seattle" other than fabrications in your mind.
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Post#837 » by Kembastockton » Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:43 pm

would be fine with Robinson, Beal or MKG.... I just really do not think Drummond is going to reach his so called potential and not worth the risk for me especially if it means possibly losing the team again to Seattle.


Why would Mike pay to break the lease he has in Charlotte's brand new arena, and move the team to a city that had worse attendance problems than either Charlotte team? Mike is going to try to make it work here. Considering how long he has on the lease he will be trying for awhile.
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Post#838 » by BigSlam » Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:45 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Rookie number projections

Anthony Davis
14 ppg.... 9 rpg.... 3 bpg.... on 55% shooting

Players that averaged at least 14/9/3 last season:
NONE
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Post#839 » by James Gatz » Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:53 pm

BigSlam wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:Rookie number projections

Anthony Davis
14 ppg.... 9 rpg.... 3 bpg.... on 55% shooting

Players that averaged at least 14/9/3 last season:
NONE

Wait is this Anthony Davis guy suppose to be special or something?

I doubt he gets 14 ppg I'd expect it to be more like 12 and a bit over 2 blocks a game. I'm tearing up a little thinking how much fun it would be to watch Davis and Bismack block everything in the paint.
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Post#840 » by Stun704 » Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:23 pm

James Gatz wrote:
BigSlam wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:Rookie number projections

Anthony Davis
14 ppg.... 9 rpg.... 3 bpg.... on 55% shooting

Players that averaged at least 14/9/3 last season:
NONE

Wait is this Anthony Davis guy suppose to be special or something?

I doubt he gets 14 ppg I'd expect it to be more like 12 and a bit over 2 blocks a game. I'm tearing up a little thinking how much fun it would be to watch Davis and Bismack block everything in the paint.

Davis will play for Jordan before his career is over. the decision pt 2 :lol:
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