SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[dbodner]

Career averages Al Jefferson is blocking .5 more shots per game and grabbing close to 4 rpg more than Spencer Hawes, while scoring 10ppg more. I'll take that in exchange for Iggy, especially if it solves a need for a backup PG at the same time.

Sadly, Spencer actually rebounds and blocks shots at a better per minute rate than Jefferson. Of course, it could be argued that Spencer can't play 34 mpg and wouldn't maintain his production level with the increased minutes.

But you clearly wouldn't trade Iguodala for Spencer Hawes.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Career averages Al Jefferson is blocking .5 more shots per game and grabbing close to 4 rpg more than Spencer Hawes, while scoring 10ppg more. I'll take that in exchange for Iggy, especially if it solves a need for a backup PG at the same time.

Sadly, Spencer actually rebounds and blocks shots at a better per minute rate than Jefferson. Of course, it could be argued that Spencer can't play 34 mpg and wouldn't maintain his production level with the increased minutes.

But you clearly wouldn't trade Iguodala for Spencer Hawes.

Haha, of course not. I just don't know about Jefferson with this team. They say they want athletic bigs, but if this rumor is to be believed, they obviously are deviating from those comments. I mean, do we want another non-defensive C who will struggle to run the floor with all the young kids here? Just doesn't add up for me. Again, I really like Jefferson as a player, but I just don't see the fit here. He's a nice #2 scoring option so that helps I guess.

[And 1 Ref]

I agree, Trading Iggy sets u back he's the glue to our defense. People seem to think we gonna trade iggy for young talented players or a lottery pick. But that makes no sense why would we want get younger after be considerd a young team for the past 4 seasons. To me I highly doubt iggy gets traded Collins loves him way to much plus he's a vet on this team. I see ET,Thad,15th pick and maybe Lou gettin traded

The notion that we are a young team maybe true on paper but a bit disingenuous when you consider the core of this team has been here for a minimal of 5+ years. Thad 5yrs, Iggy 7yrs, Lou 7yrs, Brand 4yrs (IIRC). This core with Iggy at the helm has gotten us nowhere. We have made absolutely no improvement since committing to this core. We were a 7th-8th seed then and we are a 7th-8th seed now. This entire core has to go IMO.

[corwin]

I sure hope they can find a better deal than Jefferson. He has the reputation as a black hole on offense & on defense, he's small for a center but lacks the quickness to guard forwards. Utah wants to move him so that they can give Favors & Kanter his minutes. But thinking about it, there are some positives. Sponge probably wouldn't be re-signed & that's a major plus. Also, Jefferson has a contract that is up next year. The team wouldn't have to worry about either re-signing Iggy or whether he picks up his option year. They'd have a s**tload of money in 2013 and a core of Thad, Vuc, ET, Jrue, Lavoy, & 15. Actually, that's not too shabby.

[PhillyFan]

if you trade iguodala for a big man...you then amnesty brand to add a scoring guard........or SF.......depending on where you play turner.

they know they have two glaring holes to fill......and will explore multiple options to address them.

So they aren't even considering dealing turner?

and I thought no one is safe on this team.

[habibadobe]

Jefferson does shoot a fair amount of jumpers but has a little 5-8 foot jump hook/shot that he uses that gets counted as not at the rim. In Utah last year is was the main option when he was on the floor. Most of the time starting in the low left block 8-10 feet from the basket. His passing is actually decent for a big, and his shooting numbers are helped if you look at his 5% turnover rate. So his trueshooting numbers end up a bit low once you factor in turnovers he looks well above average. His best skill is he can get his shot off about whenever he wants. He does need to find a way to get more free throws, in Utah he ran the post so he had very little pick and roll chances that could get him to the line. What you need is some 3 point shooting, last year the Jazz were all but the worst 3 point shooting team in the league, and Jefferson still put up good numbers despite constant double teams.

As for his defense its good man to man. He is a little slow on the pick and roll. The League in general is moving to smaller/faster bigs. Look at Bynum he has the same problem on defense.

On a side note do you guys see Thad Young as more of a 3 or 4. From what I have seen he is really more of a slashing 4 type. Also the Jazz have no interest in trading Favors but would be open to moving Millsap in place of Jefferson in a deal for Iggy.

I dont really see your front office dropping the amnesty on Brand. Ffans love to talk about that as the solution for cap problems, but its hard to tell someone here have 15 million to go play for someone else when you are the one signing the checks.

[76ciology]

What's wrong with a jump shooting big man? Actually, our offensive system is most suitable for a jump shooting big man. Pick and pop is the bread and butter of our offense. It makes good use of ET and Jrue's ability to create.

[jazzfan1971]

I don't think Jefferson takes many jumpers actually.

He's got some terrific footwork that results in a lot of up and unders and a little push/hook we call weezy that he shoots out to 12 feet or so. Definitely not a jump shot though.

He'll occasionally spot up for an 18 foot jumper, but, it's not that common. Jefferson is a true low post scoring threat. However it's frustrating how he avoids contact all the time, settling for 3-4 foot weezys instead of taking one dribble and throwing down a dunk and trying for the plus one.

But, I think he is waht he is. I don't expect he'll ever get that instinct to attack the rim.

[sixerswillrule]

What's wrong with a jump shooting big man? Actually, our offensive system is most suitable for a jump shooting big man. Pick and pop is the bread and butter of our offense. It makes good use of ET and Jrue's ability to create.

In case you haven't noticed, our offense sucks.
A pick and roll big who can finish would make good use of Jrue's ability to create.

Having one finesse, jumpshooting big is okay. But the other one should be an athletic finisher. That's something we really need up front. It would also be great if that athletic finisher could block shots. But that is the kind of player we need.

[PhilasFinest]

Yea, I don't think Jefferson is a "jump shooting" big. I think he often played higher in the post to open up the paint for millsap or favors. He's def a guy u can throw it down too and let him work.


I'd be for it. Prefer millsap or favors or Kanter, but I would be on board with him.

[bumpo]

Sixerfan, any info on whether or not we are actually talking to the warriors, or is that just rumor, or speculation?

[The Sixer Fixer]

I'm telling you, going after Jefferson in an Iguodala trade is STUPID. He's only got 1 year left on his deal and he's an UFA after that. If we want him that bad, just go after him (or Millsap) in FA next year. Use Iguodala on someone we know we will have for at least 2+ years.

If you think we won't be able to sign him next year in FA, then we probably won't be able to re-sign him after the 1 year he spends here.

If it's an expiring you want in return for Iguodala, then just make a deal with Houston for K. Martin (expiring) and either pick #14 or #16 this year. At least we get cap room and another young player who isn't going to go anywhere for 4 years in that type of deal.

[76ciology]

^ I agree. But I think our FO prefers to be mediocre than to rebuild. Then let's also consider the fact that we need a big man, a scorer, a rebounder, and a presence down low. From the way I look at it, only Al Jefferson and Pau Gasol fits the bill. But Al J is better because he's way younger than Gasol.

[The Sixer Fixer]

^ I agree. But I think our FO prefers to be mediocre than to rebuild. Then let's also consider the fact that we need a big man, a scorer, a rebounder, and a presence down low. From the way I look at it, only Al Jefferson and Pau Gasol fits the bill. But Al J is better because he's way younger than Gasol.

I agree that the FO would probably prefer to continue the path we are currently on (getting a little better each year).

I do think there's other options though.

If it's a 1 year rental we are willing to risk Iguodala losing on, then I'd take Josh Smith over Jefferson. At least Smith will play D and give you about the same offensive production. He's fits the "athletic big" description and he can run the floor with the best of them. I bet he can be had regardless of what Atlanta says. He's been unhappy there for too long and he's a FA next year so they may lose him for nothing.

Shoot, make a play for Howard if we aren't concerned about losing a guy after 1 year. At least we might be able to go farther in the playoffs in that 1 year with Howard.

[sixerfan1976]

i dont believe they would make a trade of iguodala for just a pick...they are young enough already......iguodala would be moved for a scorer or a big man...only exception to that is they have some huge opportunity to sign multiple max free agents and i dont really see the players out there to make that worth their while.

[sixerfan1976]

i dont believe they would make a trade of iguodala for just a pick...they are young enough already......iguodala would be moved for a scorer or a big man...only exception to that is they have some huge opportunity to sign multiple max free agents and i dont really see the players out there to make that worth their while.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Just don't get why they would be exploring a guy who's in the last year of his deal and will be an UFA this off-season for Iguodala. If they feel he's the best trade asset and aren't willing to deal him for a pick, then why deal him for a guy who may spend one season here? Just doesn't add up for me.

[sixerfan1976]

next years free agent class looks much better.....maybe they like the flexibility. I also know they talked Gasol with lakers....just exploring their options.....

[The Sixer Fixer]

Exactly - Next years's FA class is better. So hold Iguodala (or move him next off-season if there's a better player fit) and make a move for Jefferson/J. Smith/Millsap/Howard/Bynum/Griffin NEXT year. Wouldn't you rather have one of those guys AND Iguodala?

There's honestly only two logical directions this team should be thinking in terms of Iguodala trade.

1. Move him for as high of a draft pick as you can. If that team has cap space to absorb Andre without giving us garbage contracts back, then perfect. If they have expiring contracts to offer with the pick, that's good too.

2. Package him with other players to make a big splash for a true #1 option.

If they take the direction of trading him for Jefferson/Gasol type's, you know they aren't committed to taking the next step. They are just looking to maybe gain 3-5 wins, at most, and maybe REALLY win a 1st rd series against a better team in the East.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Also fitting into the #1 scenario I posted above, would be moving him for young players as opposed to a pick (with expiring deals included to balance salary if needed). I'm thinking guys like Kanter/D. Williams/ etc. Guys who aren't needed on their current team as much as Iguodala would be to them.