2012 Orland Magic NBA draft thread ...

J_Magic · Post #521 » by **J_Magic** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 2:31 am

What we need is a guy that can create his own shot and penetrate. Hopefully a shooting guard or small forward that is comfortable dribbling the ball.

We lack those type of players in our team. Besides Nelson and Hedo...I don't trust anyone else to bring the ball up from the backcourt.

blue and white · Post #522 » by **blue and white** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 2:50 am

J_Magic wrote:What we need is a guy that can create his own shot and penetrate. Hopefully a shooting guard or small forward that is comfortable dribbling the ball.

We lack those type of players in our team. Besides Nelson and Hedo...I don't trust anyone else to bring the ball up from the backcourt.

quincy miller :dontknow:

Noonskadoodle · Post #523 » by **Noonskadoodle** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 3:02 am

Moe Harkless workout

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIl0IYuX0c8&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/youtube]

Neon1 · Post #524 » by **Neon1** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:39 am

Doran Lamb highlight Vid: Side note: Have any of you guys noticed that DeAndre Liggins is the one creating and making passes in almost every Kentucky players highlight mix tapes? I swear it seems like DeAndre was the PG at Kentucky and Brandon Knight was the off guard.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYHGVD0u2YE&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Ahmadab · Post #525 » by **Ahmadab** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 8:30 am

Judging by these videos, i can't see how we could mess up in this draft, every single prospect can help the team in a way.

drsd · Post #526 » by **drsd** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 3:20 pm

Marshall is still rehabbing an injured wrist that required a screw to be surgically implanted to stabilize a crack in his non-shooting wrist; however an elbow injury surfaced several weeks later that has slowed the recovery process.

“My wrist is close to 100%,” revealed Marshall. “I can pretty much do anything on the court with it. Again, the elbow is something that I didn’t find out about until a month later after complaining that it was hurting and finally getting an MRI. But that’s coming along as well. It is way better than it was two weeks ago, which was way better than it was a month ago. As long as I keep making progress I feel like I’m going at a good pace. “

Hoopsworld LINK

Maybe this injury will help him slide, but I doubt it.

Why? Read here:

In watching Marshall play five-on-five pickup games with other draft prospects and NBA players, it’s clear why Marshall is so highly coveted. He is a natural floor leader that never gets outside of his own game. He never forces the bad pass. Never tries to take shots he cannot make and is always in control.

IGotDaMagicInMe · Post #527 » by **IGotDaMagicInMe** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 1:27 am

We need a pg and a sf. We need a good perimeter defender and a passer. Therefore, I vote for Jeff Taylor and Scott Machado

ChildishGambino · Post #528 » by **ChildishGambino** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:23 am

i'm sorry still not sold on Marshall even with that article......all i got out of it was.....he's a good passer with good vision....and he might skip the combine because he isn't confident in his measurables....but hey.....people's minds change all the time(Dwight) so if i see something maybe i'll change mine...but if we HAVE to and i mean HAVE to have a PG and he's still there i guess....just don't know what his ceiling is.....is it really cool to be comparing him to Nash/Rondo/Kidd before he even played an NBA game? Is he that good? somebody enlighten me

Neon1 · Post #529 » by **Neon1** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:33 am

ChildishGambino wrote:i'm sorry still not sold on Marshall even with that article......all i got out of it was.....he's a good passer with good vision....and he might skip the combine because he isn't confident in his measurables....but hey.....people's minds change all the time(Dwight) so if i see something maybe i'll change mine...but if we HAVE to and i mean HAVE to have a PG and he's still there i guess....just don't know what his ceiling is.....is it really cool to be comparing him to Nash/Rondo/Kidd before he even played an NBA game? Is he that good? somebody enlighten me

Agreed. Nash, Rondo and Kidd are completely different types of guards then Marshall. All people focus on is the fact that he got a lot of assists and so do these guys. They completely ignore the other ways these guys have huge impacts on a given game (besides table setting/passing)

Nash is a very good scorer and exellent shooter (not that Marshall is bad, hes just average).

Rondo and Kidd are totally different, as they do everything needed depending on the situation (rebounding/defending/steals/and sitauational scoring when needed to.)

Marshall is much more closer in comparison to Jose Calderon (with less shooting touch) then he is these guys. It's not a knock, it's just a more realistic view on Marshall's game.

IGotDaMagicInMe · Post #530 » by **IGotDaMagicInMe** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:30 am

http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college ... christ-ncb

3. Don't take Kendall Marshall ...
Marshall is a very adept passer, especially in a full-court transition game. In many ways, Marshall's passing and ability to make others look good are distracting. By that I mean that the gorgeous looks he provides his teammates can mask his lack of burst, lack of defensive prowess and inability to score at the rim. Think of the top NBA point guards -- Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook, Tony Parker. Getting to the rim is paramount to being a starter, as is the ability to penetrate the defense while on offense. Additionally, backup point guards in the NBA are usually converted scoring guards who come in with the game plan of picking up their mark 94 feet from the basket, pressuring the ball and attacking on offense. This does not bode well for Marshall on defense, and offensively, he is not really a guard who uses ball screens all that well.

It is true that Rondo, Parker and even backups like Eric Bledsoe come in with the rep of non-shooters, but they are so quick and athletic that they can get into the defense. Marshall doesn't have either ability.

... instead, take Scott Machado
Machado is a better passer off penetration than Marshall, thanks somewhat to his NYC style of attacking the rim, only to drop off an assist. Like Marshall, Machado is a poor defender ... for now. It is not that Machado isn't quick or strong, it is just that Iona took a ton of chances defensively, and because of that philosophy, he has never locked in at that end. But the tools are there.

The biggest differences are on offense. Machado's jump shot, which is vastly improved, and explosive first step allow him to break down a defense because he can look to score, not just pass. Although Machado has a lot of holes in his game that will take time to close up -- like the fact he doesn't really use ball screens nor defend them well -- he can turbo-charge an NBA second unit with his passing, scoring and explosiveness. At worst, Machado is Sebastian Telfair. At best, he is Stephon Marbury.

drsd · Post #531 » by **drsd** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 6:13 am

IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:3. Don't take Kendall Marshall ...
Marshall is a very adept passer, especially in a full-court transition game. In many ways, Marshall's passing and ability to make others look good are distracting. By that I mean that the gorgeous looks he provides his teammates can mask his lack of burst, lack of defensive prowess and inability to score at the rim. Think of the top NBA point guards -- Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook, Tony Parker. Getting to the rim is paramount to being a starter, as is the ability to penetrate the defense while on offense. Additionally, backup point guards in the NBA are usually converted scoring guards who come in with the game plan of picking up their mark 94 feet from the basket, pressuring the ball and attacking on offense. This does not bode well for Marshall on defense, and offensively, he is not really a guard who uses ball screens all that well.

It is true that Rondo, Parker and even backups like Eric Bledsoe come in with the rep of non-shooters, but they are so quick and athletic that they can get into the defense. Marshall doesn't have either ability.

... instead, take Scott Machado
Machado is a better passer off penetration than Marshall, thanks somewhat to his NYC style of attacking the rim, only to drop off an assist. Like Marshall, Machado is a poor defender ... for now. It is not that Machado isn't quick or strong, it is just that Iona took a ton of chances defensively, and because of that philosophy, he has never locked in at that end. But the tools are there.

The biggest differences are on offense. Machado's jump shot, which is vastly improved, and explosive first step allow him to break down a defense because he can look to score, not just pass. Although Machado has a lot of holes in his game that will take time to close up -- like the fact he doesn't really use ball screens nor defend them well -- he can turbo-charge an NBA second unit with his passing, scoring and explosiveness. At worst, Machado is Sebastian Telfair. At best, he is Stephon Marbury.

I had never heard of Scott Machado, so I looked him up. The first word of his weakness was: "Scott Machado is not an overwhelming athlete." If the issue is about being an athletic, Marshall is reported as some 3 inches taller than Machado.

NBAdraft.net LINK

As I can gather, Machado would be available at #49. At that slot, heck, why not?

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Noonskadoodle · Post #532 » by **Noonskadoodle** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:53 pm

Teague workout

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFsTiRnCeus&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/youtube]

Noonskadoodle · Post #533 » by **Noonskadoodle** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:02 pm

Royce White breakdown

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usQJQi3IiE0&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/youtube]

Noonskadoodle · Post #534 » by **Noonskadoodle** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:21 pm

Tyshawn Taylor breakdown

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpkMsVfW5vg&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/youtube]

Neon1 · Post #535 » by **Neon1** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:49 pm

Tyshawn Taylor ranked out better then Teague and Wroten as PG's when i broke them down at the begining of this thread. I have no idea why he is so underated. Can shoot, pass, defend and shoot.

Noonskadoodle · Post #536 » by **Noonskadoodle** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:55 pm

Neon1 wrote:Taylor ranked out better then Teague when i broke them down at the begining of this thread. I have no idea why he is so underated. Can shoot, pass, defend and shoot.

I don't like Teague at all. I would take Taylor over him.

Taylor can really score the ball at the PG posithim, but is prone too make some bone headed plays. I think he is gonna surprise some people in the NBA & could become a serious steal.

ChildishGambino · Post #537 » by **ChildishGambino** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 6:09 pm

Ok i'm sold on tyshawn...weaknesses and all....i just love his speed....never had that kinda speed at the PG position before in our history....well....at least for as long as i've watched the magic....

Noonskadoodle · Post #538 » by **Noonskadoodle** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 6:17 pm

ChildishGambino wrote:Ok i'm sold on tyshawn...weaknesses and all....i just love his speed....never had that kinda speed at the PG position before in our history....well....at least for as long as i've watched the magic....

Yup he has a great shot & his flaws are extremely fixable. He has some big time experience from playing at KU & I think he could be a nice spark off the bench from a scoring standpoint.

At 19 he seems like a reach right now, but I expect him to climb up some boards with some solid workouts.

ChildishGambino · Post #539 » by **ChildishGambino** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 7:18 pm

That's the thing about this draft.....somebody is bound to fall....whether it's due to bad performance/measurables at the draft combine......or not participating in the combine at all.....Or just teams picking on need instead of BPA.....not everyone can go lottery so one of those guys will be there at 19 if we don't trade to move up......My fav 5 right now would be.....

1.Quincy Miller (current projected pick/18th-27th)
2.Tyshawn Taylor (current projected pick/27th-46th)
3.Jeff Taylor (current projected pick/ 23rd-42nd)
4.Marquis Teauge (current projected pick/ 20th-25th)
5.Royce White (current projected pick/ 21st-28th)

Those guys as of right now are in our range......Even with the Draft combine i still think at least 2 maybe 3 of those guys stay in our range.....

Skin · Post #540 » by **Skin** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 7:33 pm

You guys watch one youtube highlight of a player and then fall in love with him. SMH.

Taylor is a TURNOVER MACHINE! He's very frustrating to watch because he makes such boneheaded decisions with the ball. You don't want this guy as our starting PG. Even after 4 years of college he could never get past that problem.

Who would you like to see the Magic draft ?