Raptors NBA Draft Thread: 2nd Round Draft Picks

[MrBojangelz71]

I really think this is THE GUY if we can somehow get 2nd, considering our PG needs. If it takes a bit of salary cap room or even Ed Davis to move up, then do it. I think it's within reason that he could be a top 15-20 starter and an EPIC win this late in the draft. I would be as excited about getting him as I would trading for a 2nd top 20 pick and getting another one of these name guys

Am I reading this right? You believe we should entertain offers of moving Ed for an opportunity to draft Machado?

If so, oh my.

This kid will be lucky to even get drafted this year, most likely we could pick him up off a D league team, were he most likely will be playing the majority of his career.

Slow footed, short, unable to break guards down, issues guarding bigger PG, issues keeping faster guards in front of him, will get destroyed at the NBA level. And you want to give up Ed for him, you believe we should be trying to move up in the draft to net this pick? A player that might not even get drafted..........classic.

[Steve Urkel]

Here's a Machado clip package from the BYU play in game, didn't realize it was online. Shows some very nifty passes.

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I can't help but feel despite the insistence of athletic players having the "upside", Machado might have as much as anyone picked out of the top 20. What if he has one of the top 10 basketball IQs/court vision/passing games in the league. Wouldn't that automatically make him a starter even if he's only a reasonable athlete and not a great scorer. I'm not saying it's a sure thing he's a top 10 bball IQ/court vision/"wow this guy's ability to read the game is just freakish" player - But is it within reason? Definitely IMO. I mean he just had the highest assist per game average since 1995 - why not? And it's not like he was Jose-ing out to 9-10apg, he is considered a fastbreak demon like Marshall and makes more through traffic passes in the above clip of 1 game than Jose does in like half a season

And the rest of this guy's profile isn't even that bad either. He's a reasonable athlete, probably quick enough to get in the paint after a good screen, finishes some shots in the above clip (and has the highest 2P% for PGs, an important stat), rebounded well for a PG, has a much better 3pt shot than Kendall Marshall, hits his FTs. The lack of elite athleticism thing, just seems overblown. I mean old as balls Andre Miller is better than 80% of PGs. 2011 Kidd was still good. Rubio is great. Calderon is good. Jonny Flynn is athletic and headed out of the league. How many times are teams going to draft Tyshawn Taylor types top 30-40 before realizing "Crap, being athletic isn't enough to be good at PG/SG in the NBA, you actually have to like, pass and score effectively"

I really think this is THE GUY if we can somehow get 2nd, considering our PG needs. If it takes a bit of salary cap room or even Ed Davis to move up, then do it. I think it's within reason that he could be a top 15-20 starter and an EPIC win this late in the draft. I would be as excited about getting him as I would trading for a 2nd top 20 pick and getting another one of these name guys

I like him and I agree with you on him having really great BBIQ and vision but I don't think the Raps will have to trade up from the 37th pick to get him and I don't think trading Davis for him is that fair of a trade IMO. I think he's going to be a quality off the bench PG and I'd pick him to take Uzoh's spot for sure. There's a lot of things that remind me of Calderon with his game, he's a good shooter, good passer and questionable lateral foot speed but I don't think his foot speed is going to be a major problem if he's just used off the bench. He actually seems to have a pretty good top speed so when he plays the fast break, which he excels at, his vision and IQ aren't hampered by his speed. From what I've seen from him he also likes to attack the paint a lot more than Calderon and plays more of a drive and kick game but he seems to do it in a much more effective and controlled fashion than Bayless. I think he's underrated for sure, mostly because he's a senior, plays in the MAAC and the fact that nothing really "wows" you about his game. The goal for the Raps with their 2nd round picks should just be to pick a guy that's actually going to stay in the league for a bit, this guy should do that and probably be a decent player down the road but not a starter IMO.

[bboyskinnylegs]

I like this 6'4'' pg 20 years old. I remember reading he had great performence at adidas Eurocamp.This team needs slasher
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I really likey Nedovic too, but I found this snippet on DraftExpress so it's hard to say if he'll even declare.

DraftExpress: RT @MiskoRaznatovic: Most likely Nemanja Nedovic will pull out from draft 2012. His declaration for draft is reason for not getting any ...
2012-05-17 08:13:39

I was really hoping we could grab him with our 2nd rounder from Indiana.

[JamesNaismith]

I know some won't be a fan of this but I would package both of them to draft Quincy Miller. From what I've been reading apparently he's actually starting to regain some of his quickness. Secound rounders don't typically amount to much and I wouldn't mind taking the gamble on him. If he doesn't pan out, again oh well 2nd rdrs for the most part don't tend to have great value on the other hand if this kid gets back anywhere near to what he was he could be a huge steal; I still like his feel for the game.

Looks like he's getting some of that quickness back and looks to have put on some muscle as well:

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Of course I would also be a fan of using these picks to grab Wroten, Ross or Harkless (although doubtful it gets you either but who knows).

[Ell Curry]

Quincy Miller

His freshman year was basically the same as Barnes', and he was a similar high level recruit (top 5 instead of #1 like Barnes), but whereas Barnes didn't improve as a sophomore much, we don't know what Miller would have done. 82% FT is impressive, and a 108 ORTG on 23% usage isn't bad for a freshman. Seems like a nice option if we trade down, or if we deal DeRozan for a pick.

Machado

He can clearly pass, and his steals suggest he's decently athletic, but the only year he really shot the ball very, very well was as a senior. I haven't seen much of him, but I love passers. If his shooting is for real, seems like a great 2nd round pick.

[DG88]

The guy I want with our first second round pick is Darius Miller. Big strong frame, 6'7 230lbs, athletic, can shoot the three, and attack off the dribble. If BC could get him he's shore up the SF position very nicely.

[HangTime]

#37)
Draymond Green: He can be a leader on our team, can play both forward spots, ultimate glue guy. I think he could be our second coming of Garbojosa.

Will Barton: He seems like a Casey type Defender, on the Wing. Downside is that he is only 175lbs, according to DX.



#56)
Mike Scott
Khris Middleton
Kris Joseph

Bernard James: He's 27 years old, big body, has spent time in the Air Force, Even though he'll be a rookie, he'll be a mature rookie, something I think Casey would like on the team.

[Rapsfan07]

I would like it if we package them to move up into the late 1st round, and select a prospect that we actually want rather than hoping that someone is still around at 37 or 56. If we could turn both 2nd rounders into a pick in the 20s to select one of Fournier/Wroten/Teague/Moultrie/Melo/Leonard, I think that would be a pretty good pickup.

Yup. And DraftExpress tweeted earlier today that some teams will be looking to dump picks "for financial reasons". I guess that could be taken with a grain of salt but if money is an issue to a team, I would have no issue giving them both second rounders. Grizzlies for sure said they'd be looking to cut salary and right now they're slated by DX to draft Tony Wroten at #25. BC should be looking at opportunities like that.

I would also offer Ed Davis + the second rounders to the Celtics for Fournier as well. He's slated to go to them at #22.

[Laowai]

Late 1st rounders I think will be steals are both Fournier & Nicolson while Nicolson is PF he is better offensively than eith Amir or Ed. He is a excellent hustle type guy and being a senior isn#t a typical one and done.

Fournier isn#t going to produce in the 1st couple years but has the potential to be a very good NBA player. You are right think both are SAS type late round picks.

[Landomar]

Andrew Nicholson is going to be a good NBA player. He's skilled, and his college PER is 31.5, which reflects how well he's played in actual games. His stock is hurt by the school he went to, the fact that he's a college senior, and questions about his body/athleticism/toughness. The bottom line, though, is that he can play.

He probably won't make it to our 2nd round pick, but if he stays on the board and we have a chance to move up to get him, that would be pretty exciting.

[BillyGM]

Andrew Nicholson is going to be a good NBA player. He's skilled, and his college PER is 31.5, which reflects how well he's played in actual games. His stock is hurt by the school he went to, the fact that he's a college senior, and questions about his body/athleticism/toughness. The bottom line, though, is that he can play.

He probably won't make it to our 2nd round pick, but if he stays on the board and we have a chance to move up to get him, that would be pretty exciting.

I agree. He's smart, has very nice footwork.

[BillyGM]

Doron Lamb 6-4 195 SG Kentucky So.
Doron Lamb isn't getting the love he deserves from teams and it appears that he will slip into the late first round on draft night. He could develop into a steal at 24 and Irving's future running mate at the 2.
NBA Comparison: Cuttino Mobley
http://nbadraft.net/nba-mock-draft-40

John Jenkins 6-4 185 SG Vanderbilt Jr.
The Bulls have one of the league's top sharpshooters in Kyle Korver. Imagine how difficult it would be for teams to account for both Korver and the nation's top college shooter John Jenkins playing alongside Derrick Rose on the perimeter.
NBA Comparison: JJ Redick

Evan Fournier 6-7 190 SF France 1992 Fournier might not be one of the top 30 prospects available in this year's draft, but he's got one key thing going for him: as an international player he can be stashed for a few seasons, and brought over when/if he can bring value to the team. Thunder GM Sam Presti knows all too well the value of stashing players having come up in the Spurs system, the team that wrote the book on stashing players in Europe.
NBA Comparison: Marco Belinelli

[bboyskinnylegs]

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[Al_Oliver]

If Will Barton is there at 37 we need to take him. I think he can be a nice player and we are so overdue on having a 2nd rounder who is decent. Hopefully there is some scouting going on after the 8th pick. And by that, I mean some that doesn't involve Jim "Junior Kindergarten" Kelly

[BillyGM]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... ith_Sixers
Jardine Impresses In Workout With Sixers
Scoop Jardine performed well during a pre-draft workout for the Sixers on Sunday.

Jardine, who has dropped more than 10 pounds since the end of his senior season at Syracuse, has already worked out for New York and San Antonio.

“Right now, I’m turning a lot of heads,” Jardine said. “My stock is really rising since the workouts started. My dream is just to be drafted. I don’t know where but I’m very confident I’m going to be drafted come June 28.”

Courtney Witte, Philadelphia’s director of player personnel, referred to Jardine as a “junkyard dog” who might fit in well in Doug Collins’ system.

“He brings for Coach Collins that defensive mentality – defense first,” Witte said. “He pressures the ball. He’s got long length. He’s relentless. He’s really tough mentally and a physical-type player.”
Via CSNPhilly.com

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... z1wnF3PDrh

[BillyGM]

At DX Jeff Taylor's Best Case: Arron Afflalo Worst Case: Bobby Jones
Kevin Murphy Best Case: Marshon Brooks Worst Case: Tarence Kinsey
Charlie Westbrook BC: Eric Bledsoe WC: Terrico White
Kris Joseph Best Case: Gary Forbes DDDDDDD Worst Case: Carlos Powell

[BillyGM]

William Buford, 6'6, Shooting Guard, Senior, Ohio State 220lbs 6'10 wingspan how about Shumpert for a comparison?
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[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Andrew Nicholson is going to be a good NBA player. He's skilled, and his college PER is 31.5, which reflects how well he's played in actual games. His stock is hurt by the school he went to, the fact that he's a college senior, and questions about his body/athleticism/toughness. The bottom line, though, is that he can play.

He probably won't make it to our 2nd round pick, but if he stays on the board and we have a chance to move up to get him, that would be pretty exciting.

His game is very reminiscent of Al Jefferson, which has Danny Ainge very interested. A little shorter and smaller than Big Al, but he's got a better face-up game (can put the ball on the floor), and looks to have better range. His footwork is beautiful, he has a 7-3 wingspan, and what impresses me the most is the fact that he is ambidextrous around the rim. He's not lasting beyond #22.

Honestly, I'm shocked that this board hasn't talked about him more just based on the fact that he's Canadian.

[BillyGM]

Andrew Nicholson is going to be a good NBA player. He's skilled, and his college PER is 31.5, which reflects how well he's played in actual games. His stock is hurt by the school he went to, the fact that he's a college senior, and questions about his body/athleticism/toughness. The bottom line, though, is that he can play.

He probably won't make it to our 2nd round pick, but if he stays on the board and we have a chance to move up to get him, that would be pretty exciting.

His game is very reminiscent of Al Jefferson, which has Danny Ainge very interested. A little shorter and smaller than Big Al, but he's got a better face-up game (can put the ball on the floor), and looks to have better range. His footwork is beautiful, he has a 7-3 wingspan, and what impresses me the most is the fact that he is ambidextrous around the rim. He's not lasting beyond #22.

Honestly, I'm shocked that this board hasn't talked about him more just based on the fact that he's Canadian.

DX has his BEST CASE: Ryan Anderson

[BillyGM]

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