Free agency : Point gaurds

nghedman · Post #1 » by **nghedman** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 8:05 pm

Here is a list of some of the free agent point gaurds and I think the Jazz would be interested in.

Are you interested, which ones and why?

There sure are a lot of them, some most likely won't be leaving their team but all are free agents, most are unrestricted.

Kirk Hinrick
Jannero Pargo
Goran Dragic
Jason Kidd
Andre Miller
Nate Robinson
Ronnie Price
Jordan Farmar
Jeremy Linn
Jameer Nelson
Steve Nash
Lou Williams
Jonny Flynn

Post #2 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 8:26 pm

If the choice is any of those guys and Harris, I'd stick with Harris at least for the remainder of his contract (which in entering its final year).

Out of all those names, I'm assuming neither Kidd or Nash has a chance of coming here. Also, I'm not sure they elevate the team all that much, considering their age and the fact that under the current system all the point guard needs to do is cross half court and dump the ball to the low post.

Right now, I think the Jazz are looking to get a point guard with some longevity, who will grow with the team. Kidd and Nash don't fit that description, and will not make the Jazz a contender, so the Jazz might as well make do with what they have and spent their money elsewhere. Same goes for Andre Miller.

As for Dragic who I know many people are high on - he is already 26 and we sort of know his ceiling already. He is due a new contract which will be similar to Harris' probably. I would encourage people to compare last season's stats of Harris and Dragic. They are identical. Might as well stick with Harris and look for a better alternative next season.

Btw, Lowry is available.

russnumber3 · Post #3 » by **russnumber3** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 8:32 pm

Jeremy Linn would be awesome but not happening. One of the few players in the game that would bring national media attention to Utah.

Nash would put us into the second round, but I don't think would help us long term.

I like Dragic better than any other semi-realistic option, because I love the way he distributes and scores

Kidd wouldn't come here, 1 because its Utah, and 2 because I don't think he would start.

Miller would be a sick backup..ala Earl Watson+ (I wonder if some team will be tricked into thinking he is ready for full-time starter minutes)

Nate R. - BOOOOOO

Ronnie P...I'm about the only one who will say this, but I would pick him up for his heart...great as 3rd pg

Farmar - Garbage

Pargo - IDK

Hinrick - Good fit, but certainly doesn't solve anything at the starter spot

Lou Williams - Not sure if he is a realistic option, but if he is, I like him second to only Dragic

Flynn - Garbage

Reckless · Post #4 » by **Reckless** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 8:50 pm

russnumber3 wrote:Ronnie P...I'm about the only one who will say this, but I would pick him up for his heart...great as 3rd pg

You must have missed the entirety of his final season with the jazz, he was god awful.

I think we are stuck with Harris for the time being, unless KOC can pull a rabbit out his arse

DiscoLives4ever · Post #5 » by **DiscoLives4ever** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 10:48 pm

You forgot about Deron

mjvile · Post #6 » by **mjvile** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 12:57 am

You also forgot Mo Williams, he has the player option and will most likely opt out.

kebutah · Post #7 » by **kebutah** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:18 am

May be able to get Hill or Collison from Indiana, since both want to be starters.

nghedman · Post #8 » by **nghedman** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:50 pm

I couldn't disagree with some off those arguments more, I think the Jazz need the exact opposite. They need a passer in the worst way. A passer as in someone who can dump the ball to the middle.

Our big man need to develop now and if they don't get the ball more they won't. Bad habits and bad play will develop. Too many times Harris just crosses over the half court like a PF dribbling the ball and doesn't see the court for the pass, and won't or rather can't thread the needle when the pass is there. They can't wait long term to develop a PG and they need a PG that does more than just bring the ball up the court against a small defender. Many people say Favors needs to play more but why if they don't have a point guard that can run an offense to get the ball to him. I sure would help Jefferson black hole status if he got the ball more while he was on the move and not after he has stopped is movement to wait for the ball.

Post #9 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:47 pm

Big Al is the anchor of the offense. That's on Corbin. It is Corbin who decided that this is how the Jazz are going to play and that he is the first option. Can't blame Harris for doing what the coach wants. We all know that Harris will be better suited in a faster paced game. He is actually a pretty good PnR player, it's just that the Jazz aren't running many of those.

Favors is great, but he can't carry the offense like Al can at this point. You want him to get the ball more, but that's not on Harris but on Corbin who chose to give him 20 mins off the bench. You want Big Al to get the ball on the move, but I'm not sure about that because he is not all that mobile and doesn't really uses his momentum to roll to the basket anyway - mostly he would just pull up for his trademark J. But it is up to the coach to dictate how the team plays, and the fact that Harris didn't pass a lot to Favors more (mainly because they didn't play all that much together at the same time) doesn't necessarily means that he is not able to do that or that he doesn't want to, but rather that he is doing was he is told. If you had Kidd or Nash this past season instead of Harris, would it matter? Favors still came off the bench for 20 mins so he wouldn't have played with them all that much, and they still had to execute the offense according to what the coach told them. So if they are told to dump the ball to the post, what's the difference if you got Kidd or Harris?

And not that I agree with the choices Corbin made, but with all that stuff of Favors seeing 20 mins off the bench, Big Al being a supposed "black hole" and Harris' supposed inadequacy, The Jazz had the 4th most productive offense in the league. I don't see any of the names on that list making the Jazz all that better. If you want your PG (who is following the coach's instructions) to pass to Favors more and to Big Al less, change your coach, not your point guard.

nghedman · Post #10 » by **nghedman** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 10:13 am

Big Al should get the ball more.

Favors more

Milsap more

I don't think it's a question of Harris being told to pass it more in the middle, I believe he just can't do it as effective as a starter should. I mean what coach would say take an outside shot over a layup. That was never Sloan's objective and is certainly not Corbin's, and certainly isn't the philosphy now with our poor outside shooting. And I really don't believe Al is standing around because he can't move or is tired, I think that habit comes from not getting the ball and starts to wait around and not rotate within the offense as the ball can't get inside.

My thoughts are Nash would be well worth the money.
Linn is a creator passer, go after him strongly.
maybe Pargo
maybe Dragic
the rest on the list are no or the jury is still debating.

Post #11 » by **floppymoose** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 8:56 pm

I think Miller is a good fit, but the rumor mill is predicting Miami or LA for him, so you'll have to hope those fall through.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #12 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 9:31 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:Big Al is the anchor of the offense. That's on Corbin. It is Corbin who decided that this is how the Jazz are going to play and that he is the first option. Can't blame Harris for doing what the coach wants. We all know that Harris will be better suited in a faster paced game. He is actually a pretty good PnR player, it's just that the Jazz aren't running many of those.

Favors is great, but he can't carry the offense like Al can at this point. You want him to get the ball more, but that's not on Harris but on Corbin who chose to give him 20 mins off the bench. You want Big Al to get the ball on the move, but I'm not sure about that because he is not all that mobile and doesn't really uses his momentum to roll to the basket anyway - mostly he would just pull up for his trademark J. But it is up to the coach to dictate how the team plays, and the fact that Harris didn't pass a lot to Favors more (mainly because they didn't play all that much together at the same time) doesn't necessarily means that he is not able to do that or that he doesn't want to, but rather that he is doing was he is told. If you had Kidd or Nash this past season instead of Harris, would it matter? Favors still came off the bench for 20 mins so he wouldn't have played with them all that much, and they still had to execute the offense according to what the coach told them. So if they are told to dump the ball to the post, what's the difference if you got Kidd or Harris?

And not that I agree with the choices Corbin made, but with all that stuff of Favors seeing 20 mins off the bench, Big Al being a supposed "black hole" and Harris' supposed inadequacy, The Jazz had the 4th most productive offense in the league. I don't see any of the names on that list making the Jazz all that better. If you want your PG (who is following the coach's instructions) to pass to Favors more and to Big Al less, change your coach, not your point guard.

What concerns me is that not only are you probably right, but that the Jazz will put Al and Favors on the floor together and still dump the ball down to Al on a regular basis. While Corbin might view this as a ticket to the playoffs and job security, with the lack of a mid-range jumpshooter (Milsap), defenses might pack the paint even more and double/triple team Al (which worked well for San Antonio in the playoffs).

Post #13 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 10:06 pm

I see so many possibilities that I don't have the time to write about. But long term, I don't think you need to be worried, because KOC will solve for Corbin the problems you mentioned, one way or the other. He will either move Milsap or Big Al, and he can address the long range shooting woes this off-season. At worst, there will be no major changes this coming season, but that's it. After that all but four contracts are up.

Post #14 » by **StocktonShorts** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 1:03 am

Inigo Montoya wrote:I see so many possibilities that I don't have the time to write about. But long term, I don't think you need to be worried, because KOC will solve for Corbin the problems you mentioned, one way or the other. He will either move Milsap or Big Al, and he can address the long range shooting woes this off-season. At worst, there will be no major changes this coming season, but that's it. After that all but four contracts are up.

It's funny how having so few good players under contract has come to be perceived as such a positive in the NBA.

It speaks to the number of bad, bad contracts out there.

Spottieottie · Post #15 » by **Spottieottie** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 1:54 am

No scoring without Al is a myth. I think if you look at the games Al missed this year we scored plenty.

Dozer! · Post #16 » by **Dozer!** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:53 am

Spottieottie wrote:No scoring without Al is a myth. I think if you look at the games Al missed this year we scored plenty.

This. Al is a big ball stopper. We will be a better team when he is gone.

Post #17 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:45 pm

Tell that to Corbin then.

russnumber3 · Post #18 » by **russnumber3** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:22 pm

Dozer! wrote:
Spottieottie wrote:No scoring without Al is a myth. I think if you look at the games Al missed this year we scored plenty.

This. Al is a big ball stopper. We will be a better team when he is gone.

....hmmm how do I save posts to rub in somone's face later???

Dozer! · Post #19 » by **Dozer!** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 8:10 pm

Its true. He takes to long to make his moves (Because it always involves multiple shot fakes) and he still has not learned to pass out of double teams or get to the line. Yeah I know he got a little better at passing out of the double teams, but you still see him force shots when you have open people all over the court.

Not even talking about his defense. Like the guy, he's just not a good team player on either end of the court.

russnumber3 · Post #20 » by **russnumber3** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 8:54 pm

While everything you've said is true to some extent, we won't be better when he is gone unless we pick someone else up who can score. Low post scorers are not easy to come by. You can say what you want about Al's defects, but at the end of the day he is one of the premier lowpost guys in the game. Theres a chance we would be a better team ALL-AROUND without him, but no way are we as good offensively (unless we add other very good offensive players)

Also I don't want to hear about the 5 games he was absent this year because thats too few of an amount of games to be able to conclude anything.