Its time for the Magic to rebuild completely

Optimus_Steel · Post #1 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 10:35 pm

Dwight Howard does not seem interested in returning. Fact is that if he does return the same issues that plagued us this season will plague us next year. The media is not going to let go of the Dwight drama. We also don’t know how this injury is going to affect him. It’s time the franchise makes a tough decision concerning the future of this team. Its time to start making sacrifices and start the rebuilding process. First by getting young players and good draft picks for Dwight. Second, to start shedding large contracts by trading them or letting them expire (Jamer, Hedo, Jrich, Baby, Q). The point is to reach financial flexibility with the cap. If we need to make signings on free agency then make them short term deals with team options. We need to cut Duhon right away and eat his pathetic contract because it will cost a first round pick to get rid of him. Keep the young players and play them to see what they have in the tank. We need to start accumulating young assets and draft picks while playing for as many ping pong balls as we can get for when we send Pat Williams to represent us in the draft lottery. We need to make the sacrifice to be bad for a couple of years to set up the foundation of a long term contender. We are already cleaning house with Otis and Stan gone, we might as well start rebuilding completely thru the draft with a new GM and coach. Now is the right time to make the tough decisions for the long term future of this team. If continue down the same path we are now, reaching to get good to decent players with large contracts to help Dwight then we are going to be stuck in this mess for years to come.

Post #2 » by **Bensational** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 10:43 pm

We can shed salary whilst taking one more chance with Dwight. If Dwight showed anything this season it's that he's emotionally volatile and that plays into his decision making process. If we get a capable GM in who can clear space, get some solid vets in for 1 year, show we've got a championship mentality and maybe get the Sentinel to lay off him so Dwight isn't concerned about how people in Orlando see him these days.

BassWhoopin · Post #3 » by **BassWhoopin** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 11:00 pm

I dont think its time just yet to give up on Dwight Howard. We have until late Feburary till the trade deadline. It is widely known that the ownership of the magic are not interested in a complete rebuild and missing out on the Playoffs for years to come. Dwight is a once in a generation kind of talent.

With new CBA I wonder if 2nd tier teams would be more willing to rebuild, because of the stiff luxury tax penalties. One team that comes to mind is the Atlanta Hawks.

It has been reported since I can remember that Josh Smith is not happy there, and add that to the fact that they have so much money committed to Joe Johnson that they have virtually no room to make moves in free agency.

I wonder if they would be interested in a salary dump in order for them to rebuild in the summer of 2013 with cap space and picks from the magic.

Magic recieve

Joe Johnson 18 million
Josh Smith 12.4 million

Hawks recieve

Turkoglu (his contracted is only partialy guranteed after this season for 6 mill)
Redick (expiring deal)
Nelson or Duhon (depends on jameer if he opts in he becomes expiring, if not duhons final year is unguarnteed)
Brad Miller (fully unguarnteed deal)

Minnesota recieve

Richardson

I know ill get bashed for this, and this is a major step back for the Hawks. But they suddenly become active players in free agency with a core of Horford, Williams, Teague, and possibly Redick. They also will recieve draft picks.

Imagine

Nash (full mid level exception) 5 mill
Johnson 18 mill
Smith 12 mill
Davis 6 mill
Howard 19 mill

That puts the magic at 60 mill in payroll for the 2012-2013 starting line up.

Post #4 » by **eyriq** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 11:08 pm

We'll have financial leverage next summer in persuading Dwight to stay. His dissatisfaction is a symptom of the larger malaise plaguing this organization. Exercising Otis and Stan was a major step towards curing the disease. There are further procedures available to us in the short-term to place us on a path to full health while strengthening projections for long-term output.

OrlandO · Post #5 » by **OrlandO** » Wed Jun 6, 2012 11:56 pm

I don't get these "let's completely rebuild because Dwigh't doesn't want to be here" threads. That possibility was fine leading up to the trade deadline, when all signs pointed to Dwight wanting out, but afterwards? If Dwight wanted out, he wouldn't have signed that waiver at the trade deadline. He'd already be out the door by now. Martins also already said they will offer him an extension in July and work from there. My calendar says it's still early June. And no, we will not go through this mess again next season. He'll either be here for years to come or on another team.

Edit:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47713987/ns ... 8_2DNVYtOp

Post #6 » by **eyriq** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 12:54 am

OrlandO wrote:I don't get these "let's completely rebuild because Dwigh't doesn't want to be here" threads. That possibility was fine leading up to the trade deadline, when all signs pointed to Dwight wanting out, but afterwards? If Dwight wanted out, he wouldn't have signed that waiver at the trade deadline. He'd already be out the door by now. Martins also already said they will offer him an extension in July and work from there. My calendar says it's still early June. And no, we will not go through this mess again next season. He'll either be here for years to come or on another team.

Edit: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47713987/ns ... 8_2DNVYtOp

I don't understand the aversion to having a guy on the final year of his contract.

OrlandO · Post #7 » by **OrlandO** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 1:15 am

eyriq wrote:
OrlandO wrote:I don't get these "let's completely rebuild because Dwigh't doesn't want to be here" threads. That possibility was fine leading up to the trade deadline, when all signs pointed to Dwight wanting out, but afterwards? If Dwight wanted out, he wouldn't have signed that waiver at the trade deadline. He'd already be out the door by now. Martins also already said they will offer him an extension in July and work from there. My calendar says it's still early June. And no, we will not go through this mess again next season. He'll either be here for years to come or on another team.

Edit: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47713987/ns ... 8_2DNVYtOp

I don't understand the aversion to having a guy on the final year of his contract.

I would be open to letting him play out next season if we're not getting quality offers (I was against trading him leading up to the deadline). I just don't think the organization, specifically Martins, wants to go that route, and the majority of fans probably don't either. Maybe the new GM will be able to consider shades of gray.

HeartAndHustle · Post #8 » by **HeartAndHustle** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 1:15 am

eyriq wrote:
OrlandO wrote:I don't get these "let's completely rebuild because Dwigh't doesn't want to be here" threads. That possibility was fine leading up to the trade deadline, when all signs pointed to Dwight wanting out, but afterwards? If Dwight wanted out, he wouldn't have signed that waiver at the trade deadline. He'd already be out the door by now. Martins also already said they will offer him an extension in July and work from there. My calendar says it's still early June. And no, we will not go through this mess again next season. He'll either be here for years to come or on another team.

Edit: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47713987/ns ... 8_2DNVYtOp

I don't understand the aversion to having a guy on the final year of his contract.

Blame Shaq

Skin · Post #9 » by **Skin** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 1:42 am

The only rebuilding that needs to happen is the rebuilding around Dwight.

You guys are fools for constantly harping on the idea that Dwight is the problem.

HeartAndHustle · Post #10 » by **HeartAndHustle** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 1:46 am

Skin wrote:The only rebuilding that needs to happen is the rebuilding around Dwight.

You guys are fools for constantly harping on the idea that Dwight is the problem.

OrlChamps2030 · Post #11 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:45 am

If Dwight wants to stay, why hasn't he verbally committed to us? Doesn't even need to sign the extension..a verbal commitment would do.

Post #12 » by **Bensational** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:52 am

Zmill wrote:If Dwight wants to stay, why hasn't he verbally committed to us? Doesn't even need to sign the extension..a verbal commitment would do.

why commit to a team that you don't trust?

sounds like (from this speculative article) his love for the city is keeping him around, not his love for the team and those who run it.

thelead · Post #13 » by **thelead** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:00 am

Zmill wrote:If Dwight wants to stay, why hasn't he verbally committed to us? Doesn't even need to sign the extension..a verbal commitment would do.

Serious question: Do you fully trust this organization to make the necessary changes to become NBA champions in the near future? And would you trust them with the rest of your most profitable years of your career without a coach, gm, or roster changes yet?

p0peye · Post #14 » by **p0peye** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 11:13 am

Skin wrote:The only rebuilding that needs to happen is the rebuilding around Dwight.

You guys are fools for constantly harping on the idea that Dwight is the problem.

Perfect plan with only one thing missing: Dwight.

aleZ · Post #15 » by **aleZ** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 11:22 am

prorl wrote:We are already cleaning house with Otis and Stan gone

This.
I think the rebuilding started with those two, and Dwight's trade will be next. Every franchise tries to win it all, fails, and then sheds its contracts starting back from the lower level. Having Dwight and a worthless roster wouldn't make sense and he would force a trade anyway, either himself or thru the press/his agent. We're not going anywhere next year with a new GM, new coach and new players, time to accept that.

BadMofoPimp · Post #16 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:27 pm

I don't think Dwight will be traded when this team can have $30 million in cap space during the summer of 2013 and can rebuild around Dwight. The organization and Dwight understands this and Dwight could play with his Buddy, Josh Smith. Package them two with BBD and you got a tremendous Front court while using the remaining money to sign a quality PG. Because, between JRich and Liggins, the SG spot should be fine.

But, if the team could get a decent defensive tall PG or Ellis, this team could be dangerous and definite contenders. I think the Magic and Dwight understand this.

You should never give up a chance to build a championship team around a superstar and supposedly rebuild when most teams entering that rebuilding stage end up going a decade of not making or barely making the playoffs. As a business owner and the revenue lost would just not make sense.

OrlandO · Post #17 » by **OrlandO** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:33 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:....
I think the Magic and Dwight understand this.
....

Hopefully they're on the same page because a nice makeover could be just around the corner. Either one of them not agreeing with the other would probably ruin that.

Last Guardian · Post #18 » by **Last Guardian** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:31 pm

It has been time for a while. No matter what we do we probably don't stand a chance against Miami and certainly have no shot against OKC for next several years. Their second options blow away our first option. Those teams are only going to get better. Best thing to do is rebuild completely and pray we strike gold somewhere.

BadMofoPimp · Post #19 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:45 pm

Last Guardian wrote:It has been time for a while. No matter what we do we probably don't stand a chance against Miami and certainly have no shot against OKC for next several years. Their second options blow away our first option. Those teams are only going to get better. Best thing to do is rebuild completely and pray we strike gold somewhere.

Those teams cannot afford to keep the players they have now. OKC will lose either Westbrook or Harden plus others due to salary cap restraints. Miami has a window too. I think the Magic if done right, can contend with anyone after the summer of 2013 while making the right choices.

Magic with Dwight will always be a contender while a rebuilding Magic without Dwight could end up the Wizards or Bucks for the next 20 years. Players like Dwight come along to a team once in a lifetime. Magic got lucky it happened twice. Odds are against the Magic being a championship contender ever again without Dwight. Might as well go all in than settle for mediocrity and hope not to lose season ticket holders.

mhectorgato · Post #20 » by **mhectorgato** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:19 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
Last Guardian wrote:It has been time for a while. No matter what we do we probably don't stand a chance against Miami and certainly have no shot against OKC for next several years. Their second options blow away our first option. Those teams are only going to get better. Best thing to do is rebuild completely and pray we strike gold somewhere.

Those teams cannot afford to keep the players they have now. OKC will lose either Westbrook or Harden plus others due to salary cap restraints. Miami has a window too. I think the Magic if done right, can contend with anyone after the summer of 2013 while making the right choices.

Magic with Dwight will always be a contender while a rebuilding Magic without Dwight could end up the Wizards or Bucks for the next 20 years. Players like Dwight come along to a team once in a lifetime. Magic got lucky it happened twice. Odds are against the Magic being a championship contender ever again without Dwight. Might as well go all in than settle for mediocrity and hope not to lose season ticket holders.

As much as I respect his talent, I think this is overstating it a bit.

Durant, Kobe, Dirk, Wade, LBJ, etc ... are all current players that can carry a team like Dwight does.

That said: Already having D12 >>> hoping to get another Superstar.