Daryl Morey. You be the judge?

[zapatasblood]

Because those two are ones that I say should have not of happen the moment they happen. Oppose to going in the past and nitpicking it after the fact.

[texasholdem]

It's easy to say that now after Oden has been injured so much.

[MaxRider]

It's easy to say that now after Oden has been injured so much.

he wasn't very much healthy in NCAA either

[College Boy]

So why is your opinions on those 2 draft choices different/more valid than mine?

Because those were current opinions at the time the moves were made. Not years later when you were able to see how their skills and careers developed.

[texasholdem]

I didn't want Brooks when we drafted him.
I didn't want Patterson when we drafted him.
I didn't want Morris when we drafted him.
I was wrong about Brooks (though I really like Afflalo)
The jury is still out on Pat and Morris.

[MaxRider]

I didn't want Brooks when we drafted him.
I didn't want Patterson when we drafted him.
I didn't want Morris when we drafted him.
I was wrong about Brooks (though I really like Afflalo)
The jury is still out on Pat and Morris.

same
but i still don't like Brooks
if Morris is SF like he said
he's going to have a hard time finding playing time behind Parsons and Budinger
as for Patterson i would be very happy if he can be like Bass

[College Boy]

I was saying that about Oden since his college days. I really NEVER saw what the "experts" seemed to see in him. I never thought it was contest between him and KD. I certainly didn't predict his oft injured future, but I KNEW KD would be a star.

You don't have to like Brooks, but he was still the right pick.

Morris, though? I just don't get it. I would REALLY love for the FO to sit down and explain themselves. He's a PF in a SF's body. The last thing we needed when we drafted him was SF's and PF's... We could have had Shumpert! And I felt this way before the draft.

[texasholdem]

Well if we re-sign Dragic and he becomes an all star then yeah Brooks was the right pick. I remember some mock drafts had us taking Nick Fazekas that year at 26 so I guess we're lucky that didn't happen.

Durant had his doubters in the media. I remember some saying he was too skinny for the NBA and that he couldn't even bench his own weight.

[College Boy]

What does re-signing Dragic and him subsequently becoming an All-Star have to do with anything? Brooks was the right pick because he came through on the 3 year plan they laid out for him and became a top 3rd starter at his position. That's pretty darn good for a 26th pick. The only reason he's no longer here is because Lowry Tom Bradied him (ironically that's what Dragic is doing too). And then Morey had the gumption to flip him for Dragic and a 1st...

Horse Hockey... Strength is one of the easiest fixes out there. ANYBODY can get stronger. Bigger? Maybe not. But Stronger? Definitely. I'm not buying it.

[Mr. E]

I'm still impressed with Morey's trade to bring in Brooks. I remember at the time a lot of the Phoenix fans around here were like: "We got Aaron Brooks AND a first round pick and.....wait, we gave up the pick???"

[texasholdem]

What does re-signing Dragic and him subsequently becoming an All-Star have to do with anything? Brooks was the right pick because he came through on the 3 year plan they laid out for him and became a top 3rd starter at his position. That's pretty darn good for a 26th pick. The only reason he's no longer here is because Lowry Tom Bradied him (ironically that's what Dragic is doing too). And then Morey had the gumption to flip him for Dragic and a 1st...

Horse Hockey... Strength is one of the easiest fixes out there. ANYBODY can get stronger. Bigger? Maybe not. But Stronger? Definitely. I'm not buying it.

Well we only got Dragic and a 1st because of Brooks' good play. i was kidding about the all star part. I already said I was wrong about Brooks even though I think Arron A is a better player than Aaron B is right now.

here's an espn article about Durant. No one had him going #1 that year over Oden.

Kevin Durant wowed NBA teams in his one college season at Texas. At last week's pre-draft camp? Not so much, according to a confidential draft camp report obtained by The Seattle Times.

According to the newspaper, the report said Durant was ranked 78th out of 80 NBA prospects who worked out at Orlando, while Ohio State center Greg Oden had an impressive workout.

Oden and Durant have long been slated to go 1-2 in the NBA draft, and it's expected the Seattle SuperSonics will take Durant after the Portland Trail Blazers take Oden.

According to the Times, Durant was the only prospect at camp who failed to bench press 185 pounds, and finished behind Oden in some key drills, including the vertical leap, agility drill and three-quarter court sprint.

Oden jumped 34 inches in the vertical leap while Durant jumped 33½ inches, completed the agility drill in 11.67 seconds to Durant's 12.33 seconds, and finished the three-quarter court sprint in 3.27 seconds, ahead of Durant's 3.45 seconds, according to the report.

Durant, however, had a 7-4¾ wingspan, which ranked second among all prospects and measured a half-inch wider than Oden's wingspan.

But Durant's college coach said scouts should not question his strength just because he could not bench press 185 pounds.

"If people question his strength, they're stupid," Texas' Rick Barnes said Tuesday, according to The Dallas Morning News. "If they are looking for weight lifters to come out of Texas, that's not what we're producing. There are a lot of guys who can bench press 300 pounds in the NBA who couldn't play dead in a cowboy movie. Kevin's the best player in the draft -- period, at any position."

[College Boy]

I remember that article. And my point was still the same. I would have never picked Oden over KD. Granted h had a bad workout, and at 18 he wasn't strong in his upper body. But if you pass on all world talent because the guy isn't as strong as you want him to be at 18, you need to be fired. Strength is not like height, where you just stop gaining it (generally at 18). Bad workout or not, KD could flat out play. He produced on the court. Which I hope people learned is where the game is played, not in the gym. Sure strength helps you gain an edge, but I felt the same way Rick Barnes did.

Granted we haven't seen Brooks all of last season, and he would have diminished role playing behind Steve Nash. But if you give me a choice between Aaron Brooks in his starter form vs Aaron Afflalo in his, I'm taking AB.

[M4P]

Parker was the last pick in the first round at 28.

I actually didn't give an opinion on Morey's tenure just who I would have picked instead.

My point is that Fields was a starter that was run into the ground on a depleted NYK team. Of course he'd average better stats compared to PP, a relative unknown that was drafted into a roster stacked with PFs.

[texasholdem]

My point is that Fields was a starter that was run into the ground on a depleted NYK team. Of course he'd average better stats compared to PP, a relative unknown that was drafted into a roster stacked with PFs.

OK Forget their rookie seasons then and just compare their last seasons.
Knicks weren't depleted anymore since they added JR Smith and Iman Shumpert at SG
Rockets had a roster stacked with PFs? Landry was traded before the season. Jordan Hill played more center than power forward here with Yao getting injured early in the year. Other than Scola who are you talking about? Jared Jeffries?

anyway, for the 2011-2012 season

Fields played 28.7 minutes per game
Patterson played 23.2 minutes per game

Fields scored 8.8 points per game
Patterson scored 7.7 points per game

Fields grabbed 4.2 rebounds per game
Patterson grabbed 4.5 rebounds per game

Fields shot 46% from the field and 56% from the line
Patterson shot 44% from the field and 70% from the line

Fields totaled 17 blocked shots and 79 steals for the season
Patterson totaled 36 blocked shots and 27 steals for the season

Is Fields really "garbage" next to Patrick Patterson as the other poster said?

[M4P]

My point is that Fields was a starter that was run into the ground on a depleted NYK team. Of course he'd average better stats compared to PP, a relative unknown that was drafted into a roster stacked with PFs.

OK Forget their rookie seasons then and just compare their last seasons.
Knicks weren't depleted anymore since they added JR Smith and Iman Shumpert at SG
Rockets had a roster stacked with PFs? Landry was traded before the season. Jordan Hill played more center than power forward here with Yao getting injured early in the year. Other than Scola who are you talking about? Jared Jeffries?

anyway, for the 2011-2012 season

Fields played 28.7 minutes per game
Patterson played 23.2 minutes per game

Fields scored 8.8 points per game
Patterson scored 7.7 points per game

Fields grabbed 4.2 rebounds per game
Patterson grabbed 4.5 rebounds per game

Fields shot 46% from the field and 56% from the line
Patterson shot 44% from the field and 70% from the line

Fields totaled 17 blocked shots and 79 steals for the season
Patterson totaled 36 blocked shots and 27 steals for the season

Is Fields really "garbage" next to Patrick Patterson as the other poster said?

Hayes, Scola, Hill, Jeffries, and even Jeff Adrien were all above Patterson in the rotation... did you watch any of the games? He's just started getting burn this year.

If you honestly believe that Fields, a guy that was playing in a system known for stat inflation, is leagues ahead of Patterson and the dealbreaker in deciding whether or not Morey is a competent GM, then I honestly don't know what to say. One is a perimeter guy that capitalizes on playing off of 3 capable options on the offensive end while the other is an undersized 4 that just barely made it into the rotation.

P.S.
Fields has not been better than PP. They've both regressed. Fields more so in my opinion, given the players and roster that he has had to work with.

P.S.S.

#18 Eric Bledsoe, #19 Avery Bradley, #39 Landry Fields or Jeremy Lin

Seriously? All of these guys outside of Lin (who nobody could've predicted) are marginal role players at best. You can't blame Morey for not taking another perimeter player given what he already had to work with.

[texasholdem]

Jeff Adrien only played because PP was recovering from surgery. Hayes and Hill both played center.

I never said Fields was "leagues better" than Patterson or anything about him being a dealbreaker on Morey's tenure.

Patterson right now is also a "marginal role player at best"
can he still improve? yes. Will he? who knows?
I bet if you tried to trade Patrick to Boston for Bradley or to the Clippers for Bledsoe they would both say no way.

You say I can't blame Morey for not taking another perimeter player given what he had to work with but then you say the PF position was "stacked" when we drafted Patterson. So which is it?

[MaxRider]

Jeff Adrien only played because PP was recovering from surgery. Hayes and Hill both played center.

I never said Fields was "leagues better" than Patterson or anything about him being a dealbreaker on Morey's tenure.

Patterson right now is also a "marginal role player at best"
can he still improve? yes. Will he? who knows?
I bet if you tried to trade Patrick to Boston for Bradley or to the Clippers for Bledsoe they would both say no way.

You say I can't blame Morey for not taking another perimeter player given what he had to work with but then you say the PF position was "stacked" when we drafted Patterson. So which is it?

yea we are also stacked at PG with Brooks and Lowry at that time

[M4P]

Jeff Adrien only played because PP was recovering from surgery. Hayes and Hill both played center.

I never said Fields was "leagues better" than Patterson or anything about him being a dealbreaker on Morey's tenure.

Patterson right now is also a "marginal role player at best"
can he still improve? yes. Will he? who knows?
I bet if you tried to trade Patrick to Boston for Bradley or to the Clippers for Bledsoe they would both say no way.

You say I can't blame Morey for not taking another perimeter player given what he had to work with but then you say the PF position was "stacked" when we drafted Patterson. So which is it?

Uh can it not be both? Look at the roster that we had when we drafted PP.

What does that have to do with anything? Why would I want to bother with lateral moves that don't improve the team?

[texasholdem]

Jeff Adrien only played because PP was recovering from surgery. Hayes and Hill both played center.

I never said Fields was "leagues better" than Patterson or anything about him being a dealbreaker on Morey's tenure.

Patterson right now is also a "marginal role player at best"
can he still improve? yes. Will he? who knows?
I bet if you tried to trade Patrick to Boston for Bradley or to the Clippers for Bledsoe they would both say no way.

You say I can't blame Morey for not taking another perimeter player given what he had to work with but then you say the PF position was "stacked" when we drafted Patterson. So which is it?

Uh can it not be both? Look at the roster that we had when we drafted PP.

What does that have to do with anything? Why would I want to bother with lateral moves that don't improve the team?

You called them marginal role players but Bledsoe and Bradley have a higher value in the league despite being drafted several spots later than Patterson.