Offseason pipe dreams (for fun)

[berserker]

Here's how to win a championship.

Trade Chandler, Birdman, and a second for Bargnani (TOR)

Trade Andre Miller (resigned for similar contract), Koufos, Afflalo, and a 1st for Chris Bosh and Mike Miller

Trade Harrington, Stone, Bargnani, and Brewer, a 2nd and future 1st for Rondo.

Resign Javale, pick up Eric Gordon in Free Agency

Javale/Mozgov
Bosh/Faried
Gallo/Miller
Gordon/JHam/Rudy?
Rondo/Lawson

Can you imagine a "small ball" lineup with Rondo AND Lawson? sick. and with Javale and Bosh ain't too many teams getting into the paint. And still have bench depth, albeit far less. Yes, we're spending a TON to do this, but who cares. It's not my money LOL. Plus, this team is YOUNG.

Disclaimer - I think this team could win a title. I also think the chances of this happening are 0.0000000000001%. Have fun ripping it apart.

[dropBHOmbs]

I think those teams need to add cash and picks. Poor trades for the nuggets.

[Ice32]

Denver sends Afflalo, Chandler and Mozzy to Miami for D Wade

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=8xx6oua

Denver roster:
PG - Ty Lawson/Andre Miller
SG - Dwane Wade/Jordan Hamilton
SF - Danilio Gallo/Corey Brewer
PF - Kenneth Faried/Al Harrington
C - Javal McGee/Kosta Koufos


Miami Roster:
PG - Mario Chalmers/Norris Cole
SG - Aaron Afflalo/Mike Miller
SF - Wilson Chandler/Shane Battier
PF - LeBron James/Udonis Haslem
C - Chris Bosh/Joel Anthony/Mozzy/Turiaf

[Manimal]

None of those trades seem realistic in the slightest. Maybe the Toronto one, but I doubt it still.

Can't see Boston trading Rondo at all, and it'd certainly take more than that pile of crap. And no way Miami doesn't get more than that for Bosh(especially since Miller/Afflalo wouldn't help them at all).


I probably wouldn't want this to happen, but just for kicks...

1) Gallo, McGee(s&t), Mozgov, Andersen 1st rounder(s) for Dwight

2) Lawson and Chandler to Charlotte for the #2 pick and Biyombo; draft MKG

3) Amnesty Harrington

4) Sign Deron Williams

5) Fill out roster with remaining 5 mill or so in cap space (Delonte West) and minimum salaries

PG: Deron Williams / Delonte West / Julyan Stone
SG: Arron Afflalo / Jordan Hamilton / (free agent)
SF: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist / Corey Brewer
PF: Kenneth Faried / Bismack Biyombo / (free agent)
C: Dwight Howard / Kosta Koufos

I think that would be a championship team. The real question is whether Deron would want to sign here if we could make those other moves first, and then if Dwight would want to stay if that team were put around him. If they didn't have to live in the sub-zero climate of this shithole cow town, I'd say that would be a no brainer.

Also, the Lawson move I wasn't sure on. Obviously it'd be stupid to trade him without knowing for sure that Deron would be coming. Originally I had that signing second after the Dwight trade, and then was trying to come up with a trade for Ty to get a stud small forward back, because having two 35 mpg PGs would be pointless. We could also go after guys like Iguodala, Josh Smith, or Batum though, since we should still have a TPE to get it done.

Either way, a 1-3-5 combo of all-star caliber players, to go along with unbelievable role players in Afflalo and Faried, and a pretty decent bench....that's a championship recipe to me.

[Ice32]

Now thats a team to be reckoned with!

Also, this roster would be just over the cap:

Dwight - 19
Deron - 16
Afflalo - 7.5
Brewer - 3.2
Kosta - 3
Biyombo - 3
MKG - 2.5
Faried - 1.4
Delonte - 1.2
Hamilton - 1.1
Stone - 800k

Only 11 players, need another 3 to complete roster.

[scottcarman]

I love the ‘dreaming’ game when it comes to the offseason, but I try to propose trades that are plausible, albeit not very probable.
Free Agency:
Sign Rudy Fernandez for around 3 to 3.5 M per
Miller and McGee used for (S&T)
Birdman (hopefully he is an idiot and his contract becomes void due to violation of contract, or amnesty, or he may be needed, but hurts salary cap)

So here are my blockbuster ideas:
Miami loses tonight and decides to break up the big-3. Most people believe that Bosh is the least talented so he is likely to go.

Denver trades: McGee (S&T ~11M per), Andre Miller (S&T ~6.0 per), either Mozgov or Harrington
Miami trades: Bosh, Battier

Why for Denver: They get a leader and a star without letting go of either Gallo or Lawson. Bosh didn’t have any help in Toronto and his talents are wasted behind the shadow of Lebron/Wade. We finally get to see what Bosh can do as a star with legit supporting cast in Gallo, Lawson, Faried, AA. Miami wants to drop Battier’s contract for solid front court help so Harrington for Battier sweetens the deal.

Why for Miami: They need several quality players so they are not so fragile and reliant on the Big 3. Miller had a PER of 14.8 last year(Harrington 15.4, McGee 19.9), and that was when he had to play behind Lawson and often guard the other teams SG. This trades a borderline franchise player for 3 starters. A Miller is not the best PG in the league but he is the PG with the best lob pass in the league, and he has Wade, Lebron, and McGee to pass to. The Miller/McGee combo proved that it can dominate offensively in stretches. McGee is placed in the best possible situation, he goes from the Wizards with a bunch of knuckleheads, to the Nuggets that really help to show him how he can develop and be a professional, to the Miami Heat, where Lebron, Wade, and Pat Riley can all command the attention and respect that will push McGee to reach his potential. McGee is excellent at picking up the swill that Lebron/Wade might throw at the basket. I’m guessing Miami would want Harrington, but I would let them take Mozgov if they liked him better. Harrington can rebound, hit the 3 from the PF position, score, and provide veteran leadership. He played through a meniscus tear and a broken nose in the playoffs and was key to Denver pushing the Lakers to the brink. He and Miller are the locker room presence that the Heat need. Miami is way into luxury tax territory so they go for the trade instead of signing Miller to MLE and ever expanding tax implications. This trade is more about the fit of the players to each team. It’s a win/win situation.

Denver:
Lawson, Fernandez, Stone
AAA, Fernandez, JHam
Gallo, Chandler, Brewer
Faried, Koufos
Bosh, Mozgov

Miami
A Miller, Chalmers, Cole
Wade, J Jones
Bron, J Jones
Harrington, Haslem
McGee, J Anthony

Trade #2:
Denver trades: Chandler/Brewer/Mozgov or Harrington
Utah trades: AlJeff

Why for Denver: Denver solidifies it’s frontcourt with Bosh/Faried/AlJeff splitting the 96 Minutes at PF/C similar to the Nene/Camby/Kmart trio was supposed to back in the day. Plus AlJeff expires when we need to extend Lawson. I would like to see the Nuggets extend Lawson, and then extend AlJeff for a more reasonable contract.

Why for Utah: They need 3pt shooting and defense and production at the SF spot. Brewer and Chandler can both provide that but with very different styles of games. They can both come in and change the character and feel of the game with defense and intensity.

Denver Roster: (Faried and Fernandez are the first off the bench).
Lawson, Fernandez, Stone, #20
AAA, Fernandez, Jham
Gallo, Battier
Bosh, Faried
AlJeff, Koufos

Use the #20 pick for a backup PG preferably in trade.
Probably give Carrol another mimimum wage spot on the roster.

Salary cap for Nuggets ~65 Million (13 roster spots), and luxury tax threshold last year was around 62M if I am not mistaken. Hopefully ownership is ok with a slightly larger payroll because you would have AAA, Gallo, Bosh, Koufos, Faried locked up for a while, and Al Jeff expires when we need to extend Lawson, so, at worst it would be this team minus Al Jeff and plus a MLE type player. Or the Nuggets potentially don’t sign Fernandez, which put them right near the luxury threshold and are thin at PG. This may depend on how the Nuggets feel on JHam and if he can be the backup 2 or 3.

[Ice32]

Nice, but theres no way Faried comes off the bench in Denver - this kid will probably be Top 3 Rebounding next season playing 30 mpg, and score 14 ppg and 1.5 blks.

Al Jefferson is nice but we really wouldn't need him and Bosh together.

I think right now if Miami lose tonight, its Wade thats going to be traded.

[scottcarman]

Nice, but theres no way Faried comes off the bench in Denver - this kid will probably be Top 3 Rebounding next season playing 30 mpg, and score 14 ppg and 1.5 blks.

Al Jefferson is nice but we really wouldn't need him and Bosh together.

I think right now if Miami lose tonight, its Wade thats going to be traded.

Really, I think Faried would be a perfect 6th man. Ginobilli is a 6th man, so you can be an all-star and a sixth man. Faried is still very susceptible on defense. He still has some things to show on the defensive end. I think his energy could change a game as the sixth man, whereas we want Gallo, Bosh, Lawson to start the intensity. Still will probably get close to 30 mpg.

[Manimal]

Agreed. If we could actually get two legit bigs like that, bringing Faried off the bench would make so much sense and probably help utilize his skills better anyway. He could still play 25-30 mpg off the bench, kind of like the role Jordan Hill was playing against us.

Though in your scenario, if we were to get Bosh, I'd rather go after a guy like Okafor instead of Jefferson. Would make more sense to have an offensive/defensive combo at PF/C, rather than two offensive guys. Plus he'd be easier to get and we might even be able to pick up the #10 pick or something.

That said, I still doubt the Heat trade Bosh (or Wade), yet anyway. So in that instance, Jefferson is the guy I would want. But I don't think that's really a pipe dream, I think it could be pretty realistic. The Jazz want more minutes for Favors and Kanter, and could use a legit small forward. I'd do Chandler + Moz or Koufos and even the 20th pick(if needed) for Jefferson. Then re-sign McGee and amnesty Bird. Being able to trade Harrington somewhere would be nice as well, but I'm not holding my breath. And I'd still sign Delonte West, because I think he'd be the perfect backup for Lawson at point(and even a little at SG).

Lawson/West/Stone
Afflalo/Hamilton
Gallinari/Brewer
Jefferson/Faried/Harrington
McGee/Koufos


No matter what happens this offseason, we need to find a big with a post game and a backup PG of the 'D and 3' variety.

[RRFB]

1. Resign McGee
2. Amnesty Birdman
3. Chandler, Harrington, Mozgov, #20 for Pau Gasol
4. Sign Ray Allen for the MLE
5. Resign Dre on the cheap

Lawson / Miller / Stone
Allen / Afflalo / Hamilton
Gallinari / Brewer
Gasol / Faried
McGee / Koufos

[Ice32]

Really, I think Faried would be a perfect 6th man. Ginobilli is a 6th man, so you can be an all-star and a sixth man. Faried is still very susceptible on defense. He still has some things to show on the defensive end. I think his energy could change a game as the sixth man, whereas we want Gallo, Bosh, Lawson to start the intensity. Still will probably get close to 30 mpg.

When I think of a 6th Man, I think of Jason Terry, Manu Ginobilli, James Harden, Jamal Crawford, Ben Gordon - guys who can score a bunch of points quickly, and can lead a team in scoring most nights. Faried doesn't fit that role. He's a banger and a rebounder - like a Brian Grant/Udonis Haslem type player. Once he develops a 15 footer - he will average a double double. But he's not a 6th Man. I see Harrington/Brewer more of a 6th Man - both can score points in a hurry.

Our biggest problem is our depth at the SF position. Gallo, Chandler, Brewer, Harrington, Hamilton and even Rudy all play the SF spot. There are only 48 available mins at that position, so someones gotta go. I think Chandler and Brewer are the odd men out.

[The Rebel]

Really, I think Faried would be a perfect 6th man. Ginobilli is a 6th man, so you can be an all-star and a sixth man. Faried is still very susceptible on defense. He still has some things to show on the defensive end. I think his energy could change a game as the sixth man, whereas we want Gallo, Bosh, Lawson to start the intensity. Still will probably get close to 30 mpg.

When I think of a 6th Man, I think of Jason Terry, Manu Ginobilli, James Harden, Jamal Crawford, Ben Gordon - guys who can score a bunch of points quickly, and can lead a team in scoring most nights. Faried doesn't fit that role. He's a banger and a rebounder - like a Brian Grant/Udonis Haslem type player. Once he develops a 15 footer - he will average a double double. But he's not a 6th Man. I see Harrington/Brewer more of a 6th Man - both can score points in a hurry.

Our biggest problem is our depth at the SF position. Gallo, Chandler, Brewer, Harrington, Hamilton and even Rudy all play the SF spot. There are only 48 available mins at that position, so someones gotta go. I think Chandler and Brewer are the odd men out.

Harrington has not played meaningful minutes at the 3 in years, Rudy is a free agent, don't know if they are bringing him back. Leaving Gallo, chandler, Brewer, and Hamilton to fight for the minutes there, with Hamilton and Brewer also trying to get some minutes at the 2.

I would not bring back Rudy, trade Chandler, and find a young sg/sf that can shoot and develop a decent all around game to be the 5th sg/sf.

[scottcarman]

Really, I think Faried would be a perfect 6th man. Ginobilli is a 6th man, so you can be an all-star and a sixth man. Faried is still very susceptible on defense. He still has some things to show on the defensive end. I think his energy could change a game as the sixth man, whereas we want Gallo, Bosh, Lawson to start the intensity. Still will probably get close to 30 mpg.

When I think of a 6th Man, I think of Jason Terry, Manu Ginobilli, James Harden, Jamal Crawford, Ben Gordon - guys who can score a bunch of points quickly, and can lead a team in scoring most nights. Faried doesn't fit that role. He's a banger and a rebounder - like a Brian Grant/Udonis Haslem type player. Once he develops a 15 footer - he will average a double double. But he's not a 6th Man. I see Harrington/Brewer more of a 6th Man - both can score points in a hurry.

Our biggest problem is our depth at the SF position. Gallo, Chandler, Brewer, Harrington, Hamilton and even Rudy all play the SF spot. There are only 48 available mins at that position, so someones gotta go. I think Chandler and Brewer are the odd men out.

Just because 'scorers' tend to win the 6th man award does not necessarily mean that they are the best 6th man for a team. I'd recommed reading this article:
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/0 ... index.html

[mlloyd10]

While it's not a pipe dream, would you guys trade kosta koufos/20 for Monta Ellis

[Nuggets18]

how is that not a pipe dream?

not sure Ellis would like coming of the bench either

[youngthegiant]

While it's not a pipe dream, would you guys trade kosta koufos/20 for Monta Ellis

yes, that's a no brainer for us. Monta would need to come off the bench but he would get back up minutes at the 1 and 2.

[scottcarman]

While it's not a pipe dream, would you guys trade kosta koufos/20 for Monta Ellis

yes, that's a no brainer for us. Monta would need to come off the bench but he would get back up minutes at the 1 and 2.

uh, I would say definitely no. It's not just about talent, it's about contract size and value. Monta is an undersized 2, and he seems like a selfish knucklehead.

Koufos is not super talented, but you have a very young backup big that is locked in at 3 mil per for a while. I'll take my backup center at 3 mil especially because I know that he could easily be a 16 or 17 PER player that should be making 10.

So why would the Nuggets take on Monta? He doesn't help long term.

[patrol345]

Anyone think we should make a max offer on james harden next year maybe offer affalo for him in a sign and trade? I think his max is 15mil per It would proally weaken the thunder and add that "star" power we need. I think he could easily be a star on another team where he is more of a focus on offense and it makes our half court offense crazy good if faried can hit a 15 footer. thats a beast team:

lawson/dre (or teague maybe?)
harden/ hamilton
gallo/ chandler
faried/ nicholson/white/moultarie
mcgee/ koufus.

[scottcarman]

Yes I do think the nuggets should try to get harden. But I don't think you understand the situation in okc. They are committed to Westbrook and durant for near 35 mil, they also have Perkins for around 8 per. They will also need to resign ibaka. There are also rumors on the okc board that the owner lost 60 percent of his wealth. I don't think it is realistic that they will have a 90 mil roster and pay that much tax.

However, harden is 22 and with both Kobe and wade in their twilight, he could be the premier SG in the league very soon. He has a ton of value and okc will get something in return. I would be surprised if the did not work a S & T similar to what Dwight has to do. There will need to be some level of coordination with harden.

They would like to dump Perkins contract, good young talent on rookie contracts and maybe some muscle to replace Perkins. The nuggets should offer faired, mozgov, and a first round pick for harden and Perkins. We don't have to match salaries because of the nene tpe. They can probably resign Ibaka while getting below the tax cap. Their core is Westbrook, durant, ibaka, and faried. The key is if okc believes that ibaka can play some minutes at center and if division rivals will trade with each other.

If the nuggets pulled this off then they need to convince kg to sign with his good friend Perkins. His vet presence would be nice to have.

Lawson, dre, stone
Harden, afflalo
Gallo, chandler, brewer
Kg, koufos
Perkins, McGee

This team would have a lot more toughness and a true go to player in harden.

[Odens Kickstand]

Would you guys have any interest in #6 and filler for Gallo? I am a big time Gallo believer, and to put it frankly have no faith in Portland not screwing up the #6 pick.
#6 plus a mix of filler guys if you wanted them (Babbitt, Nolan Smith, S Williams, #40,41 pick etc) for Gallo?