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Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12

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Would you be happy if the Raptors drafted... (check all that apply)

Harrison Barnes
154
21%
Andre Drummond
90
12%
John Henson
7
1%
Perry Jones III
63
9%
Terrence Jones
22
3%
Jeremy Lamb
159
22%
Damian Lillard
80
11%
Kendall Marshall
52
7%
Austin Rivers
59
8%
Jared Sullinger
50
7%
 
Total votes: 736

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1041 » by JamesNaismith » Fri Jun 8, 2012 4:07 am

cdel00 wrote::). The thing I like about Lillard is how he can make his doubters doubt themselves about doubting him. :).

To me thats Oakland toughness!

And if we are to shake the soft rep its what this franchise needs so desperatly!


That's not so much him as it is where he played college ball.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1042 » by DA_SCOUT » Fri Jun 8, 2012 4:13 am

cdel00 wrote::). The thing I like about Lillard is how he can make his doubters doubt themselves about doubting him. :)


You've been one of the biggest Lillard supporters on this board, and I'm right there with you on this one. Lillard is going to be a special player.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1043 » by Undefeated » Fri Jun 8, 2012 4:13 am

I've only seen highlights of Damian Lillard, so I'm not going to say anything about his game. But what I'll say is that, people say Jeremy Lamb is overhyped, but take a look at Damian Lillard. And most of the guys who trash Lamb happen to be Lillard bandwagoners lol. How things are ain't they?
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1044 » by cdel00 » Fri Jun 8, 2012 4:17 am

I know what you mean James, I do like Lillards reasons for goin there though. IN Ogden he could focus on Basketball,while being surrounded by a supportive culture who could help him develop the other aspects of life. In utah he was surronded by good people, safe people, good teachers, classy teachers, you can see the way he carries himself, his inner drive his focus and the great things said about his character.

These things mean a lot! I say for a player who his driven from within they mean more than the level of the opponents.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1045 » by DA_SCOUT » Fri Jun 8, 2012 4:19 am

Undefeated wrote:I've only seen highlights of Damian Lillard, so I'm not going to say anything about his game. But what I'll say is that, people say Jeremy Lamb is overhyped, but take a look at Damian Lillard. And most of the guys who trash Lamb happen to be Lillard bandwagoners lol. How things are ain't they?


Fair enough point. But gaaaaaad daayumnn is Lamb dumb as a rock or what. I thought it was just in the draft combine interview, but that Blazers interview was horrendous. Lillard on the other hand, just says and does the right things. Not saying thats the reason Lillard is going to be a special player, but its part of it.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1046 » by cdel00 » Fri Jun 8, 2012 4:21 am

Undefeated wrote:I've only seen highlights of Damian Lillard, so I'm not going to say anything about his game. But what I'll say is that, people say Jeremy Lamb is overhyped, but take a look at Damian Lillard. And most of the guys who trash Lamb happen to be Lillard bandwagoners lol. How things are ain't they?


Maybe some have but I think Lamb at #2 to Charrlotte makes a lot of sense. And I also think that Lamb and Lillard would be awesome together.

That's some serious legth in the back court.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1047 » by TheRealDeal » Fri Jun 8, 2012 4:42 am

cdel00 wrote:
Undefeated wrote:I've only seen highlights of Damian Lillard, so I'm not going to say anything about his game. But what I'll say is that, people say Jeremy Lamb is overhyped, but take a look at Damian Lillard. And most of the guys who trash Lamb happen to be Lillard bandwagoners lol. How things are ain't they?


Maybe some have but I think Lamb at #2 to Charrlotte makes a lot of sense. And I also think that Lamb and Lillard would be awesome together.

That's some serious legth in the back court.


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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1048 » by tecumseh18 » Fri Jun 8, 2012 9:29 am

Rapsfan4life wrote:man jeremy lamb is a dumb ass
http://www.csnnw.com/pages/video?PID=FE ... CVZBJRamtI


Why do people say that? He's got a laid back vibe to him, but I can tell you that Derrick Rose and the young LaMarcus Aldridge did not come across well in interviews. OTOH, Johnny Flynn could someday have his own talk show.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1049 » by BillyGM » Fri Jun 8, 2012 9:50 am

tecumseh18 wrote:
Rapsfan4life wrote:man jeremy lamb is a dumb ass
http://www.csnnw.com/pages/video?PID=FE ... CVZBJRamtI


Why do people say that? He's got a laid back vibe to him, but I can tell you that Derrick Rose and the young LaMarcus Aldridge did not come across well in interviews. OTOH, Johnny Flynn could someday have his own talk show.

He's dumb. He's JaVale McGee if JaVale was a SG.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1050 » by OAKLEY_2 » Fri Jun 8, 2012 10:48 am

If I promised Waiters he wouldn't get past us I would deny it. Isn't lying part of smokescreening? Getting Gay for the pick and parts I'm not buying but a deal however large involving the pick with Philly for Iggy screams Raptors and Colangelo. Iggy is a defensive stopper and would have a big Casey endorsement. The 8th is in play for Iggy and the 16 because Philly cannot really get better without clearing room. Iggy will be the one to entice a significant point guard to come here not Gay. Why because the significant point guard in question is not known for defense so the backcourt will need to be strengthened. I see Nash/Iggy on the horizon. So with the 16th pick in the 2012 draft the Toronto Raptors select...Tony Wroten. At the water bottle presser it is explained they are just as happy with 16 as 8 but sorry to lose Ed and JJ.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1051 » by cdel00 » Fri Jun 8, 2012 11:50 am

Goooooooood. Morning. Chicago!

Day 2 of the draft combine coverage coming to you via this thread.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1052 » by cdel00 » Fri Jun 8, 2012 11:52 am

D'oh wrong thread



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Post#1053 » by FluLikeSymptoms » Fri Jun 8, 2012 12:58 pm

cdel00 wrote:I think Lamb at #2 to Charlotte makes a lot of sense.


As I said earlier, there is no way Charlotte takes Drummond, MKG or T-Rob so if they can't trade down/out I would be not at all surprised to see them reach for a scorer. Taking Lamb at #2 is not crazy to me at all but I do have him #3, after Drummond.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1054 » by Rhettmatic » Fri Jun 8, 2012 1:13 pm

Amid all the fuss about Dion Waiters, Le Doug (who's in Chicago at the combine) says that the Raps are focused on Lillard and Lamb:

http://thestar.blogs.com/raptors/

Anyway, it’s information gathering and a getting-to-know-them trip (first up was this piece on Andrew Nicholson) and I’m trying to figure out which guys on the Raptors list I should be speaking to.

Two of them – and I have it on very good they are at least on a list of possibilities – are Weber State guard Damian Lillard and Connecticut guard Jeremy Lamb.

An aside: There is no definitive list of possibilities for Toronto at No. 8, it is expanding and contracting almost daily, there is much work to do, they are barely closer to finalizing anything than they were a week ago; they don’t know who’ll be there, aren’t sure who they like best and all the speculation you’re reading is just that, rampant speculation.

Now, I’m not sure how much you can learn about kids in the group interview sessions we have but I will tell you this, I’m far more impressed with Lillard than I am Lamb and here’s why:

This is a time of keepaway in some ways, lots players – on advice of self-serving agents who don’t want their clients exposed – don’t like to play against anyone; they want to show their individual skills but games, sometimes even three-on-three, are verboten. Flaws are exposed, draft slots suffer, money is lost and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

So I’m talking to Lillard and he said he much prefers the group dynamic because it allows him to show what he’s got and when it’s pointed out to him that some of the other guys in the room shy away from that, he says this:

“I’m from Oakland. Gary Payton was that kind of person, really competitive. Jason Kidd, Brian Shaw. I feel I have to bring that same thing to the table as an Oakland point guard. I wand to compete and I feel I still have to prove myself playing against higher lever guys and I’m happy to have the opportunity.”

In the next session we get to speak to Lamb and it comes up that not only isn’t he going to compete at any level here, he’s not even going to do the skills drills. He might do some agility today but that’s likely it.

Why?

“Not sure, it’s my first time going through it. I was just told I don’t need to do that, (I) need to get ready for the interviews and things like that. I’m not sure on it.”
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Post#1055 » by FluLikeSymptoms » Fri Jun 8, 2012 1:20 pm

Lillard's a combo whose competition in college was a question mark. He needs a group to show that he can run things and outplay somebody good.

I don't like that Lamb isn't going to do anything but that's on his agent IMO.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1056 » by Salted Meat » Fri Jun 8, 2012 1:28 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:Amid all the fuss about Dion Waiters, Le Doug (who's in Chicago at the combine) says that the Raps are focused on Lillard and Lamb:

http://thestar.blogs.com/raptors/

Anyway, it’s information gathering and a getting-to-know-them trip (first up was this piece on Andrew Nicholson) and I’m trying to figure out which guys on the Raptors list I should be speaking to.

Two of them – and I have it on very good they are at least on a list of possibilities – are Weber State guard Damian Lillard and Connecticut guard Jeremy Lamb.

An aside: There is no definitive list of possibilities for Toronto at No. 8, it is expanding and contracting almost daily, there is much work to do, they are barely closer to finalizing anything than they were a week ago; they don’t know who’ll be there, aren’t sure who they like best and all the speculation you’re reading is just that, rampant speculation.

Now, I’m not sure how much you can learn about kids in the group interview sessions we have but I will tell you this, I’m far more impressed with Lillard than I am Lamb and here’s why:

This is a time of keepaway in some ways, lots players – on advice of self-serving agents who don’t want their clients exposed – don’t like to play against anyone; they want to show their individual skills but games, sometimes even three-on-three, are verboten. Flaws are exposed, draft slots suffer, money is lost and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

So I’m talking to Lillard and he said he much prefers the group dynamic because it allows him to show what he’s got and when it’s pointed out to him that some of the other guys in the room shy away from that, he says this:

“I’m from Oakland. Gary Payton was that kind of person, really competitive. Jason Kidd, Brian Shaw. I feel I have to bring that same thing to the table as an Oakland point guard. I wand to compete and I feel I still have to prove myself playing against higher lever guys and I’m happy to have the opportunity.”

In the next session we get to speak to Lamb and it comes up that not only isn’t he going to compete at any level here, he’s not even going to do the skills drills. He might do some agility today but that’s likely it.

Why?

“Not sure, it’s my first time going through it. I was just told I don’t need to do that, (I) need to get ready for the interviews and things like that. I’m not sure on it.”



So Doug is more impressed with Lillard because he doesn't like the advice Lamb got from his agent?

Doug understands as much about the draft process as my grandfather understands about hipsters.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1057 » by JamesNaismith » Fri Jun 8, 2012 1:34 pm

Bad move by Lamb to not participate.


His interviews were terrible and he has all the talent to be a top 5 prospect.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1058 » by CoachJReturns » Fri Jun 8, 2012 2:12 pm

If BC wants to draft Waiters, I'd rather he just trade the pick. Every time someone climbs into the top 10 after being considered a pick in the 15-20 range all year I worry.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1059 » by DG88 » Fri Jun 8, 2012 2:16 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:Amid all the fuss about Dion Waiters, Le Doug (who's in Chicago at the combine) says that the Raps are focused on Lillard and Lamb:

http://thestar.blogs.com/raptors/

Anyway, it’s information gathering and a getting-to-know-them trip (first up was this piece on Andrew Nicholson) and I’m trying to figure out which guys on the Raptors list I should be speaking to.

Two of them – and I have it on very good they are at least on a list of possibilities – are Weber State guard Damian Lillard and Connecticut guard Jeremy Lamb.

An aside: There is no definitive list of possibilities for Toronto at No. 8, it is expanding and contracting almost daily, there is much work to do, they are barely closer to finalizing anything than they were a week ago; they don’t know who’ll be there, aren’t sure who they like best and all the speculation you’re reading is just that, rampant speculation.

Now, I’m not sure how much you can learn about kids in the group interview sessions we have but I will tell you this, I’m far more impressed with Lillard than I am Lamb and here’s why:

This is a time of keepaway in some ways, lots players – on advice of self-serving agents who don’t want their clients exposed – don’t like to play against anyone; they want to show their individual skills but games, sometimes even three-on-three, are verboten. Flaws are exposed, draft slots suffer, money is lost and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

So I’m talking to Lillard and he said he much prefers the group dynamic because it allows him to show what he’s got and when it’s pointed out to him that some of the other guys in the room shy away from that, he says this:

“I’m from Oakland. Gary Payton was that kind of person, really competitive. Jason Kidd, Brian Shaw. I feel I have to bring that same thing to the table as an Oakland point guard. I wand to compete and I feel I still have to prove myself playing against higher lever guys and I’m happy to have the opportunity.”

In the next session we get to speak to Lamb and it comes up that not only isn’t he going to compete at any level here, he’s not even going to do the skills drills. He might do some agility today but that’s likely it.

Why?

“Not sure, it’s my first time going through it. I was just told I don’t need to do that, (I) need to get ready for the interviews and things like that. I’m not sure on it.”

I'm really starting to sour more on Lamb. His interviews have been pretty underwhelming and him not doing drills is his agent doing but it's going to hurt him. It makes seem like he's got something to hide and I believe his agent doesn't want to see his clients low motor.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1060 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Fri Jun 8, 2012 2:34 pm

We better not trade the pick if Damian Lillard is still on the board. That guy is going to be a big time player. His measurements came pretty well too, at first glance. ~6-2, ~6-7 wing span, ~8.0 standing reach. I wonder what his agility/athleticism measures are.

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