SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[jdimaggio555]

if they move up its because they like the players they like in addition to the pick which is why i think that rules out golden state.

they like dion waiters but they dont think terrence ross or austin rivers is that much different a player at 15. They dont feel like they have to deal iguodala on draft night although its certainly possible. They are comfortable if they end up picking at 15 and taking Rivers or even a big man like Arnett

just jotting down what their options are......since they do have some flexibility

what does your first line mean? it confuses me....

and this is VERY disheartening... if theres a deal to be had with Sac at number 5 to go get drummond or 7 or 8 to get lamb... and we DONT do it.... smh... its the same old crap with this team then....

drummond is the type of guy that can put you as a perennial contender for years to come... no wonder we dont want him

They way I interpreted this was that the sixers will not take on a bad contract from a team just to get their draft pick. If an Iguodala trade involves a pick and a player, the sixers must also like the player they are getting back. They will not take back a player they do not like for the sake of acquiring a higher draft pick.

So acquiring Toronto's pick is unlikely unless the sixers like Calderon. Since the sixers don't like Biedrins, a draft with Golden State is not going to happen.

[sixerfan1976]

if they move up its because they like the players they like in addition to the pick which is why i think that rules out golden state.

they like dion waiters but they dont think terrence ross or austin rivers is that much different a player at 15. They dont feel like they have to deal iguodala on draft night although its certainly possible. They are comfortable if they end up picking at 15 and taking Rivers or even a big man like Arnett

just jotting down what their options are......since they do have some flexibility

what does your first line mean? it confuses me....

and this is VERY disheartening... if theres a deal to be had with Sac at number 5 to go get drummond or 7 or 8 to get lamb... and we DONT do it.... smh... its the same old crap with this team then....

drummond is the type of guy that can put you as a perennial contender for years to come... no wonder we dont want him

They way I interpreted this was that the sixers will not take on a bad contract from a team just to get their draft pick. If an Iguodala trade involves a pick and a player, the sixers must also like the player they are getting back. They will not take back a player they do not like for the sake of acquiring a higher draft pick.

So acquiring Toronto's pick is unlikely unless the sixers like Calderon. Since the sixers don't like Biedrins, a draft with Golden State is not going to happen.

bingo. well said

[Kobblehead]

See, I agree with that mindset in principle, but it wouldn't stop me from taking on a short contract. For instance, New Orleans is shopping the 10th pick as long as someone takes on Okafor or Ariza. Now Okafor is a significant salary to take on, but Ariza is due just $14 million over the next two years. Terrible for what he gives you, but not a huge amount of money or bad length.

[KrazySixersD]

o ok gotcha...

but what doesnt make sense is... if we trade iggy for a top 8 pick... wouldnt getting hte 10th pick and ariza be perfect??

ariza is a lockdown defender at the SF position... we now have a top 8 pick, the 10th pick, and possibly 15th...

or... if we trade iggy for al jefferson... getting the 10th pick and ariza also does the same thing in filling the SF position

or if we take on okafor, we now have a PF or center who can defend, rebound, and block shots

not sure the problem with doing this

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

^^Kobblehead hit that right and the New Orleans deal is one I would do in an instant because I think Okafor has got a lot left in his game. His contract is atrocious but we do need size and defense and he would provide both. Our defense would be the best in the NBA with him anchoring the middle. I don't know how many years he has left on his deal but I think it's a gamble worth taking a chance at.
With the 10th and 15th pick it gives us flexibility in the draft to either move up or draft two players that can have an impact on this team. Question is who or what do we trade to make this happen?

[Kobblehead]

Okafor just has two years left. For about 27 million. His problem is that he's really dealing with injury issues these days. Played just 27 games last year.

[Wilfried]

Okafor has 2 years left on his contract, that is not too bad either.

Trade assets for NO are imo:
Turner
Thad Young
2nd round picks

[sixerfan1976]

maybe they like ariza or okafor..I dont know one way or the other. I know they dont like Biedrins tho. No one does, including GSW.

I dont see them coming out of this draft with multiple first round picks...they are definitely trying to take the next step and not rebuild by getting younger. You may not agree with that strategy......but thats their intent.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

No I do agree with that strategy, it's time to move forward with things. I'd like to see us move up in the draft but I honesetly doubt that it happens. I think our move (if anything) will be made via trade or possibly free agency.

[Kobblehead]

That's the fear I have with the Sixers. It seems like Collins is pressuring the front office to get better as quick as possible rather than taking their time and making the necessary moves to put us over the top down the road. If there ever was a draft to stockpile picks in, it would be this one.

[tgo2223]

That's the fear I have with the Sixers. It seems like Collins is pressuring the front office to get better as quick as possible rather than taking their time and making the necessary moves to put us over the top down the road. If there ever was a draft to stockpile picks in, it would be this one.

I agree. If this team comes back status quo I'm going to be pissed.

[mybestfiend]

My ideal, semi realistic plan:

Hope Williams opts out. Resign only Lavoy, let everyone else walk. I guess if guys like Battie or Young will take the minimum to sit on the bench that's fine. Amnesty Brand to create cap space. Trade Iggy to either get Gasol or trade up in the draft for a big man (Perry Jones?). Pick Terrence Ross at 15. Sign OJ Mayo, extend Holiday.

PG: Holiday
SG: Mayo
SF: Ross
PF: Gasol/PJ3
C: Vucevic
Bench: Turner, Thad, Allen, vet PG

[Lou_23]

Since the sixers don't like Biedrins, a draft with Golden State is not going to happen.

and Richard Jefferson? It is other posibility.

[83SixersRocked]

See, I agree with that mindset in principle, but it wouldn't stop me from taking on a short contract. For instance, New Orleans is shopping the 10th pick as long as someone takes on Okafor or Ariza. Now Okafor is a significant salary to take on, but Ariza is due just $14 million over the next two years. Terrible for what he gives you, but not a huge amount of money or bad length.

Agreed. Ariza was a good player off the bench, just not great as a starter or at starter money. His contract wouldn't scare me. teams like Okafor then try to pawn him off on somebody else. wouldn't take that one on.

[bebopdeluxe]

I would love to get 10 from NOH and package it with 15 to move up, but it now looks like EVERY team from 5 to 8 is also looking to trade out of their pick...which blows that strategy up.

Given Okafor's injury profile. and the amount he is still due, I can't imagine that they are asking for much of anything of value back in a deal, so depending on what we would have to give them I would still consider it. Would they potentially be interested in Brand? One year shorter, and a potential trade chip at the deadline?

If they traded Iguodala to get into the top 5-8, they could have that pick, plus 10 and 15...along with:

Jrue
ET
Thad
Okafor
Allen
Vuc

They would still have a little cap room to get a stopgap SG that would be a servicable upgrade over Meeks...it would be a team that would take its lumps a bit, but adding Okafor would probably help to offseet the defensive loss of Iggy and Brand, and we would have three of the top 15 picks in the draft...even if one of those guys turns out to be a stiff, if the other two are legit, you just might have a future.

[sixerfan1976]

lets just say i am not as big an okafor fan as some of you are.

[Kobblehead]

Neither am I. Okafor is pretty much cooked. Both in his game and in what his body can give. The last time he was an exceptional player that moved well was probably 2008. That was a long time ago. He's been downward trending for 4 years. His mobility rivals that of Spencer Hawes right about now.

[jdimaggio555]

maybe they like ariza or okafor..I dont know one way or the other. I know they dont like Biedrins tho. No one does, including GSW.

I dont see them coming out of this draft with multiple first round picks...they are definitely trying to take the next step and not rebuild by getting younger. You may not agree with that strategy......but thats their intent.

The biggest concern I have with this is that if you trade Iguodala and get back a player like Jefferson, who only has a year left on their contract, is that there contract is going to be up before the sixers are legit contenders. I believe that this team is still at least a year or two away and this draft is deeper than it has been in most years. Also, outside of Dwill, there isn't that much appeal to the free agents this year. I'd rather come away with 2 first rounders this year and then start targeting vets next year.

With that being said, I believe that Utah acquired Jefferson from Minn. for only a second round pick because they wanted to dump salary. If the sixers amnestied Brand and then were able to acquire Jefferson for a second round pick, I believe that would be a great move. Then, you could still move Iguodala to a team like N.O. for Ariza and the 10th pick. With 10 and 15, you come away with Hensen and Rivers and you look like this:

Dru
Turner/ Rivers
Ariza/ Thad
Allen/ Hensen
Jefferson/ Vucevic

This team wouldn't contend next year, but with Jefferson coming off the books next year, you have the flexibility to players in FA next year. Combine that with the 2013 draft pick that you could trade for a vet and the team could be a legit contender in 2013/2014 season.

[bebopdeluxe]

I am not a fan of Okafor, either...although - relative to some of the crap that is out there that we would have to take back to get a top 10 pick - I think he has a chance to be "less crappy" than others. While I do think that they will consider taking a step back to get multiple picks in this draft, I do not think that they will be willing to accept being a 30 win team to do it. Even if he is not the player he was, Okafor is a good soldier who - if reasonably healthy - can give us 20-25 minutes of servicable NBA minutes in an area of our roster where the bar for improvement is low.

If we can leverage Brand into a top 10 pick in this draft, I would be happy to take on another year of Okafor's salary...especially if they Sixers don't really have the stomach to amnesty Brand in the first place.

[Kobblehead]

I would take Okafor AND Ariza along with the 10th pick if we can pawn off Thad Young onto his hometown team.