Childress likely to be amnestied

[WTFsunsFTW]

I LOVED him on the hawks. He has great bball IQ and intangibles. They just never came to fruition here.

[RunDogGun]

I LOVED him on the hawks. He has great bball IQ and intangibles. They just never came to fruition here.

It did, in a way. Chilldress at one point this year had a better assist to turnover ratio than Nash, and at one point, the best two point percentage on the team. It was just too bad we didn't have a coach that could use him properly. But standing around the three point line, knowing you are no threat from there, wasn't a good spot for him.

[GrantHill]

So you think he would keep his good two-point percentage and assist to turnover ratio if he played more minutes? BTW, Childress didn't stand around the three point line once he saw some playing time after Hill's injury. We ran some plays for him (mainly 'horns'). He only had one nice (against Memphis) and one solid (against Oklahoma) game but he didn't show anything to deserve a full time place in the rotation.

Last season (2010-2011) he had some nice games and showed some activity getting offensive rebounds and garbage points. It simply wasn't there this season and it's not just because of our coach.

[RunDogGun]

Yes I do think that he would have kept those stats with more minutes, and much less DNPs. Maybe you didn't watch our games, but we didn't run plays for him. When he got the ball, he often tried to find the guy that had the hot hand, and made sure that guy got the ball. And if he hadn't gone off script (which was to stand around the three point line), I don't think he would have scored a point.

But Chilldress brings so much more than just two point percentage, he makes smart moves, and rarely turned the ball over. He made tips and deflections that didn't show up in the stat line. We could have used more unselfish players like Chilldress instead of the ball hogging crap we got all the way up to the ASG.

[GrantHill]

Do you know what horns are? A big man gets the ball on top of the key and several players cut to the basket or run to the three point line. That's how he got his points and had his good game against Memphis. We also run a play where either Morris or Lopez set the screen and Telfair found Childress for the alley-oop.

That's it and you know why it's not more? Because we can't run any other sets for him due his lack of a three-point shot, midrange shot and creating off the dribble. Tips and deflections shoudn't earn you a place in a rotation of a(n) NBA team. I can get deflections myself and I play for half of the price. I don't know why he changed his game, because if you compare him to the Josh Childress who played in Atlanta, both are two different players. Maybe it's because he went soft in Europe or it's because he got a big contract.

I'm praying that he won't be on the team next season, because he simply sucks. He's a nice guy but he's unless on our team, get over it.

[RunDogGun]

Chilldress had nine total turnovers this season, and fourteen steals. Not even looking at his assist stat, right there he gets us the ball more than he gave it up. He was poorly used this season, and sat in favor of playing a lineup of Telfair, Brown, and Redd at the one, two, and three. Even when none of those guys were scoring, which is the only thing they do, Gentry still played that group over Chilldress.

And Tefair really only got better, after working with Turner, and pushed the ball instead of doing what he said frustrated him, which was Gentry's direction to walk the ball up.

[RunDogGun]

First off, you get paid $3 million a year to play basketball?

Second, Chilldress got his points like this: Jump shot 0.8, Close shot 1.6, and Dunk shot 0.5. He took most of his shots at the jump 45%, then 38% at close, 9% dunks, and 7% tips. He was heavily assisted at jump and and dunks, but where he got most of his points at close range, he was assisted less than half the time at 44%.

I never said he was worth his salary. I was agreeing with WTF, in his assessment of Chilldress's BBIQ. And I feel that it is still there. And I feel he was used poorly.

[GrantHill]

Chilldress had nine total turnovers this season, and fourteen steals. Not even looking at his assist stat, right there he gets us the ball more than he gave it up. He was poorly used this season, and sat in favor of playing a lineup of Telfair, Brown, and Redd at the one, two, and three.

I simply can't understand why count his few turnovers as a pro argument for him. But Hakim Warrick in his role on offense and he would average the same amount of turnovers. He was poorly used? Give me an example how you would use him in our offense or let's say what plays would you run for him.

I agree, though. That Redd-Brown combo was awful but we simply needed some scoring off the bench and for those few minutes these both spend together (4-6 minutes each half) Childress wouldn't have done much of an impact. Yes, he might get his deflections but that's not what we needed from our bench guys. We needed a scorer and it was worth a try to see what Brown and Redd could do.

Second, Chilldress got his points like this: Jump shot 0.8, Close shot 1.6, and Dunk shot 0.5. He took most of his shots at the jump 45%, then 38% at close, 9% dunks, and 7% tips. He was heavily assisted at jump and and dunks, but where he got most of his points at close range, he was assisted less than half the time at 44%.

He got most of his points from close range? These statistics make sense when you talk about scorer but not about a guys who averaged 3 point per game

I never said he was worth his salary. I was agreeing with WTF, in his assessment of Chilldress's BBIQ. And I feel that it is still there.

I agree, he as a good BBIQ, but he doesn't fit in our offense. You can take like you want, he sucks on our team and there's nothing our coaching staff can do about it, well maybe change our offensive system?

[Raptor_Claw]

Do you know what horns are? A big man gets the ball on top of the key and several players cut to the basket or run to the three point line. That's how he got his points and had his good game against Memphis. We also run a play where either Morris or Lopez set the screen and Telfair found Childress for the alley-oop.

That's it and you know why it's not more? Because we can't run any other sets for him due his lack of a three-point shot, midrange shot and creating off the dribble. Tips and deflections shoudn't earn you a place in a rotation of a(n) NBA team. I can get deflections myself and I play for half of the price. I don't know why he changed his game, because if you compare him to the Josh Childress who played in Atlanta, both are two different players. Maybe it's because he went soft in Europe or it's because he got a big contract.

I'm praying that he won't be on the team next season, because he simply sucks. He's a nice guy but he's unless on our team, get over it.

He didn't go soft in Europe. He was terrible almost the whole time he was there.

[RunDogGun]

GH, I have mentioned numerous times how I would have used Chilldress on both offense and defense. His style was very similar to Lou's and oddly enough, so was his range. Lou worked quite well in our system, and it wasn't only to score points. Lou did very well just following LB to the basket and cleaning up the many missed layups, or just keeping the ball alive.

Josh should have been slashing on almost every play, and he did not have any plays drawn up for him, so saying none of them would work is silly. Getting extra possessions and constantly moving is what Josh can bring on offense; however, he was often found standing around the three point line, because that was what all of our players were doing. Your "horns" play rarely ever had our guys slashing to the middle, but had most of our guys standing around the three point line. I don't think I ever saw one of our bigs make a pass from the top of the key to a guy under the basket in that second unit. When Lopez was out there, he would turn away from the basket, hunch over, while looking for a guy to hand the ball off to.

On defense, I would have tried him in all the spots we used Hill. When and if Hill went to the bench, I would have tried Josh. The first Laker game is a good example of how it went wrong. Hill did a decent job on Kobe, but as soon as he went to the bench, Brown was tried, and royally sucked. So Gentry learned from that, right? Well no, he tried him again, and then Dudley. So maybe the next game? Nope, just went back to the same thing that didn't work.

I still think Gentry is a terrible head coach, and it's cool if you think he is great.

[RaisingArizona]

Hard to be a productive NBA shooting guard when you can't shoot.

[GrantHill]

There are some nice defensive analysis on Bright Side of the Suns. Look what Josh Childress did and tell me why he should be part of the rotation.

osh Childress actually recorded almost as many defensive plays as Redd did (132), and the results are just plain ugly.

He defended spot-up shooters on 40 plays, and gave up an even 1.00 PPP for a rank of 251. Opponents didn't really shoot that well against him, but they did make eight 3-pointers (on 25 attempts) and he committed three shooting fouls to bring the PPP up.

He defended 29 isolation plays, an again gave up a 1.00 PPP for an even worse rank of 297. Iso players connected on nine of 20 field goal attempts against him, and he sent them to the line on another 6 plays.

On 23 plays against the pick-an-roll ball-handler, he again gave up a 1.00 PPP and his opponents shot 10-19. He gave up a PPP of 1.11 when chasing shooters off of screens as they shot 9-16. He was eaten alive on his handful of attempts at defending the post.

Overall, his PPP was 1.02, which was good for a rank of 445. Opponents shot 45.8% and 41.7% from deep. He was actually slightly worse last season. So much for the defensive stopper we expected when he was acquired.

And he mostly was matchep up against bench players. He's just a terrible player but hey, at least he gets some deflections and his offense is so bad because of our coach.

[JohnVancouver]

And yet I stil think of him, based on watching him - not just reputation - as a solid defensive player. Put him on Boston and he would be loved ... in Boston

[RunDogGun]

And yet I stil think of him, based on watching him - not just reputation - as a solid defensive player. Put him on Boston and he would be loved ... in Boston

Yep, this.

GH, again, it is cool if you didn't see what I, and apparently others saw. I never said his lack of offense was Gentry's fault, but if was used as a slasher, and not just standing around the three point line, where is clearly useless out there, would have increased his and other's points. Me using the two stats, was to show, when he didn't have to force up threes because of the system, his shot percentage was great. Usually the best on the team. And he doesn't give up the ball, compared to what he gives to the team.

I never said he was the best guy on our team, but he wasn't given a chance. Many times this last year, while we were trying to get points, Gentry went with three chuckers at the one through three spots. And even if those chuckers couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat, and we're turning the ball over like crazy, and couldn't defend, couldn't we have gone with a better defender, who takes better percentage shots, finds teammates that are hitting their shots, rarely turns the ball over, and hustles every time.

Until the last month or so, Telfair was Telfail, Redd couldn't hit any shots, and Brown was, well Chucker Brown. And both Telfair and Brown complained to the media about their use, while Chilldress continued to be positive, cheered on his mates, and gave his best when called upon. His BBIQ was far better than all three of those guys, but heck, why not keep trying to get blood from a stone? Why so many chances for players that were all on one year contracts, save Telfair, and not a guy that doesn't hurt the team IQ wise, is all out hustle when in the game?

I felt, and still feel that Lou's hustle was contagious, and almost all the players on that 2010 team improved their effort because of the Lou, but that might just be me. I loved watching Bo Outlaw when he was here. You need some dirt workers, specially when you have a ton of dirt on the court. This past season, we had two dirt workers, who played very smart, and hustled every time they were called upon in Chilldress and Price. Were either guy the best guy on the court? Probably not, but they made good things happen for the team. And I feel that injecting a stagnant offense and terrible defense with either or both guys, would have been the smart thing to do. Heck even try it. However, our terrible head coach, didn't even want to try it, just because he knew that in the last month, the three amigos would finally turn things around. Who cares if we lose five to ten games early in the season, it isn't like we would need those games later in the season?

[rsavaj]

There are some nice defensive analysis on Bright Side of the Suns. Look what Josh Childress did and tell me why he should be part of the rotation.

osh Childress actually recorded almost as many defensive plays as Redd did (132), and the results are just plain ugly.

He defended spot-up shooters on 40 plays, and gave up an even 1.00 PPP for a rank of 251. Opponents didn't really shoot that well against him, but they did make eight 3-pointers (on 25 attempts) and he committed three shooting fouls to bring the PPP up.

He defended 29 isolation plays, an again gave up a 1.00 PPP for an even worse rank of 297. Iso players connected on nine of 20 field goal attempts against him, and he sent them to the line on another 6 plays.

On 23 plays against the pick-an-roll ball-handler, he again gave up a 1.00 PPP and his opponents shot 10-19. He gave up a PPP of 1.11 when chasing shooters off of screens as they shot 9-16. He was eaten alive on his handful of attempts at defending the post.

Overall, his PPP was 1.02, which was good for a rank of 445. Opponents shot 45.8% and 41.7% from deep. He was actually slightly worse last season. So much for the defensive stopper we expected when he was acquired.

And he mostly was matchep up against bench players. He's just a terrible player but hey, at least he gets some deflections and his offense is so bad because of our coach.

That's pretty turrible.

[RunDogGun]

I guess a PPP all depends on which site you use. And who said he was a defensive stopper?

http://www.82games.com/1112/1112PHO1.HTM

[Dragic13]

Will Childress be able to play behind Dudley next season?

I think he just suffers from not getting the minutes. When he gets on the court he doesnt seem to have the confidence. I would love to see him as part of the rotation.