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Re: The 2012 NBA Draft: 6th & 11th picks, and some random 2n 

Post#1341 » by Wizenheimer » Fri Jun 8, 2012 6:15 pm

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Goldbum wrote: I could see us packaging N.Smith/ Babbitt along with cash to make sure we get Damian with our 2nd pick.


I'm really curious as to how you think that will accomplish anything. Babbitt and Smith probably have negative value at this point. Cash isn't going to significantly impact that

so, it seems you are suggesting that the 11th + Babbitt + Smith + cash, could get the 7th, 8th, 9th, or 10th pick. Really???


I don't think Babbitt has negative value. Teams tend to place some value good shooters with potential to be great shooters on mid-first round rookie contracts.


that particular type of value did a lot of dying on the shoulders of players like Jason Kapono. For every Steve Novak there are a half a dozen guys whose NBA career ends after their rookie contract

Viktor Kryapa and cash was enough to turn #4 into #2 a few years back. If a team is looking at a guy that will be available at their slot or #11 they might be happy to get Babbitt and cash in addition.


hypothetically possible, but there are only 4 teams that it would fit this year. I think you can immediately discard Minnesota. They won't be doing any favors for a division rival. Besides, with Rubio, Barea, & Ridnour, they would be no real threat to draft Lilliard.

That leaves Detroit, Toronto, and Golden State.

Why would any of those teams drop 2-4 slots in the draft for Luke Babbitt?

by the way, Babbitt spent a lot of his minutes as a stretch-4. The opposing PF averaged a 26.0 PER and a .663 eFG against Babbitt's version of defense. And when Babbit was at SF, his own PER was 6.2. His net player/opponent PER was -10.3 at SF and -10.2 at PF. And those were posted against 2nd unit players. That is negative value
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Re: The 2012 NBA Draft: 6th & 11th picks, and some random 2n 

Post#1342 » by Fitz303 » Fri Jun 8, 2012 6:19 pm

If NOH is willing to move the 10th pick to rid themselves of Okafor, I would get in on that. It would be a bit complicated because it wouldn't be completed until after the draft but...

Okafor
10th pick

for

11 Million TPE
Nolan Smith

Use the 6th, 10th, and 11th to make sure that we get Drummond and Lillard (I dont care how)

Lillard/ FA
Matthews/ Williams
Batum/ Babbitt
Aldridge/ Hickson
Okafor/ Drummond
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Re: The 2012 NBA Draft: 6th & 11th picks, and some random 2n 

Post#1343 » by GreenRiddler » Fri Jun 8, 2012 6:20 pm

Norm2953 wrote:I would target Detroit's pick at 9 as a target if Lillard gets by the Raptors at 8.

We might have to package both of our second round picks to get it done though.

I think we can package Mathews to them since they need a real SG
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Post#1344 » by Fitz303 » Fri Jun 8, 2012 6:21 pm

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Who's the physical beast of this draft? Far and away Connecticut's Andre Drummond: 278 pounds with 7.5 percent body fat. He said his vertical leap today was 38 inches. He was disappointed - said he's hit 40 before. He measured 6-9 3/4 w/out shoes, 6-11 3/4 w/ shoes, with a 7-6 1/4 wingspan.
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Re: The 2012 NBA Draft: 6th & 11th picks, and some random 2n 

Post#1345 » by GreenRiddler » Fri Jun 8, 2012 6:23 pm

Fitz303 wrote:If NOH is willing to move the 10th pick to rid themselves of Okafor, I would get in on that. It would be a bit complicated because it wouldn't be completed until after the draft but...

Okafor
10th pick

for

11 Million TPE
Nolan Smith

Use the 6th, 10th, and 11th to make sure that we get Drummond and Lillard (I dont care how)

Lillard/ FA
Matthews/ Williams
Batum/ Babbitt
Aldridge/ Hickson
Okafor/ Drummond

OMG that would be great but you didn't show both 10 and 11 in the lineup. Do you think NO would do that? Also where did that 11 Million TPE come from?
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Post#1346 » by Sabzi » Fri Jun 8, 2012 6:24 pm

Fitz303 wrote:If NOH is willing to move the 10th pick to rid themselves of Okafor, I would get in on that. It would be a bit complicated because it wouldn't be completed until after the draft but...

Okafor
10th pick

for

11 Million TPE
Nolan Smith

Use the 6th, 10th, and 11th to make sure that we get Drummond and Lillard (I dont care how)

Lillard/ FA
Matthews/ Williams
Batum/ Babbitt
Aldridge/ Hickson
Okafor/ Drummond



When did your valuation of the assist go by the wayside?
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Re: The 2012 NBA Draft: 6th & 11th picks, and some random 2n 

Post#1347 » by GreenRiddler » Fri Jun 8, 2012 6:25 pm

Fitz303 wrote:Sam Amick
Who's the physical beast of this draft? Far and away Connecticut's Andre Drummond: 278 pounds with 7.5 percent body fat. He said his vertical leap today was 38 inches. He was disappointed - said he's hit 40 before. He measured 6-9 3/4 w/out shoes, 6-11 3/4 w/ shoes, with a 7-6 1/4 wingspan.

Wow he might be the strongest player in the draft was he 300 pounds in Feb?
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Post#1348 » by Blaze01 » Fri Jun 8, 2012 6:29 pm

Is no one else concerned about Lillard's low release point on his jumpshot? He shoots it out kind of in front of him....that shot is going to get blocked or altered by defenders in the NBA....
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Post#1349 » by Fitz303 » Fri Jun 8, 2012 6:44 pm

Sabzi wrote:
Fitz303 wrote:If NOH is willing to move the 10th pick to rid themselves of Okafor, I would get in on that. It would be a bit complicated because it wouldn't be completed until after the draft but...

Okafor
10th pick

for

11 Million TPE
Nolan Smith

Use the 6th, 10th, and 11th to make sure that we get Drummond and Lillard (I dont care how)

Lillard/ FA
Matthews/ Williams
Batum/ Babbitt
Aldridge/ Hickson
Okafor/ Drummond



When did your valuation of the assist go by the wayside?


Lol.. Well we could always go after Marshall, but we all know how you feel about that. Who do you want as a PG? You looking for a prime Steve Nash to come walking through the door? Lillard has the passing ability. He was asked to score in college because he was basically a 1 man team at Weber State. He averaged 4 apg. Chauncey BIllups only averaged 4.8 apg in college. Tony Parker never averaged a ton of assists when he was younger, Westbrook averaged 4.3 apg, Derrick Rose averaged 4.3 apg, etc...
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Post#1350 » by Blazinaway » Fri Jun 8, 2012 6:45 pm

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Meyers Leonard the other big riser here. Think his range is closer to 9-14 now. #NBACombine
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Re: The 2012 NBA Draft: 6th & 11th picks, and some random 2n 

Post#1351 » by Sabzi » Fri Jun 8, 2012 6:45 pm

Fitz303 wrote:
Sabzi wrote:
Fitz303 wrote:If NOH is willing to move the 10th pick to rid themselves of Okafor, I would get in on that. It would be a bit complicated because it wouldn't be completed until after the draft but...

Okafor
10th pick

for

11 Million TPE
Nolan Smith

Use the 6th, 10th, and 11th to make sure that we get Drummond and Lillard (I dont care how)

Lillard/ FA
Matthews/ Williams
Batum/ Babbitt
Aldridge/ Hickson
Okafor/ Drummond



When did your valuation of the assist go by the wayside?


Lol.. Well we could always go after Marshall, but we all know how you feel about that. Who do you want as a PG? You looking for a prime Steve Nash to come walking through the door? Lillard has the passing ability. He was asked to score in college because he was basically a 1 man team at Weber State. He averaged 4 apg. Chauncey BIllups only averaged 4.8 apg in college. Tony Parker never averaged a ton of assists when he was younger, Westbrook averaged 4.3 apg, Derrick Rose averaged 4.3 apg, etc...




Just curious what happened in the last 48 hours.
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Re: The 2012 NBA Draft: 6th & 11th picks, and some random 2n 

Post#1352 » by mojomarc » Fri Jun 8, 2012 6:51 pm

Blaze01 wrote:Is no one else concerned about Lillard's low release point on his jumpshot? He shoots it out kind of in front of him....that shot is going to get blocked or altered by defenders in the NBA....


Are you talking his shot when his feet are planted, or on the move? He tends to shoot a lot while on the move from mid-range, which makes it a difficult shot to time and block even if the release is low. Steve Nash does this a lot, too. From what I've seen of his feet-set jumper, though, it dosn't look like a particularly low release to me. Besides, he's the kind of player that you almost want to dare the opposition to try for blocks on the outside. That allows him to use his superb ballhandling and quickness to create an off-balance situation.
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Post#1353 » by Wizenheimer » Fri Jun 8, 2012 6:55 pm

maybe I'm mis-remembering but it seems like in past years, the blogging, tweeting, and rumors coming out of the combines have been as much hype as substance.

I'm looking at you Joe Alexander, Jonny Flynn, & Wesley Johnson.

I'd be a bit leery of players whose stock rockets upward because of tape measures, hopping contests, and dribbling drills

or maybe, as someone said, I'm just a killjoy... :wink:
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Post#1354 » by Jsun947 » Fri Jun 8, 2012 6:57 pm

I'm concerned about his shot going in the basket, not how low the release may or may not be....
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Re: The 2012 NBA Draft: 6th & 11th picks, and some random 2n 

Post#1355 » by sabi » Fri Jun 8, 2012 6:58 pm

Fitz303 wrote:
Sabzi wrote:
Fitz303 wrote:If NOH is willing to move the 10th pick to rid themselves of Okafor, I would get in on that. It would be a bit complicated because it wouldn't be completed until after the draft but...

Okafor
10th pick

for

11 Million TPE
Nolan Smith

Use the 6th, 10th, and 11th to make sure that we get Drummond and Lillard (I dont care how)

Lillard/ FA
Matthews/ Williams
Batum/ Babbitt
Aldridge/ Hickson
Okafor/ Drummond



When did your valuation of the assist go by the wayside?


Lol.. Well we could always go after Marshall, but we all know how you feel about that. Who do you want as a PG? You looking for a prime Steve Nash to come walking through the door? Lillard has the passing ability. He was asked to score in college because he was basically a 1 man team at Weber State. He averaged 4 apg. Chauncey BIllups only averaged 4.8 apg in college. Tony Parker never averaged a ton of assists when he was younger, Westbrook averaged 4.3 apg, Derrick Rose averaged 4.3 apg, etc...

We can also use the 10 or 11th pick on Dion Waiters since he is a good distributor and would work well with LIllard on offense. He can also create his own offense so wouldn't have to be spoon fed by lillard.

Okafor/Drummond
LMA/Hickson
Batum/Wes/Babbit
Waiters/Wes/Elliot
Lillard/FA

Gives us the choice to move Wes.
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Post#1356 » by Jsun947 » Fri Jun 8, 2012 7:00 pm

36" and 40" vert for Lillard
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Post#1357 » by Blazinaway » Fri Jun 8, 2012 7:01 pm

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Post#1358 » by GreenRiddler » Fri Jun 8, 2012 7:02 pm

Chad Ford: Damian Lillard really helped himself last 2 days. Shot ball well. Competed. Just measured with a 36" inch standing and 40" full vertical.

Wow Lillard is more athletic than I thought. Westbrook only had a 30 and full 36.5 Rose 34.5 full 40...Impressive.
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Post#1359 » by Fitz303 » Fri Jun 8, 2012 7:04 pm

Sabzi wrote:
Just curious what happened in the last 48 hours.


I've always been open to either Lillard or Marshall. They're both very different PGs, but I think either would be a great asset to the team. I do think Lillard is a little bit of a better fit right now, simply because he can get to the rim and finish. With Matthews at SG, thats a nice trait to have. I'm also a big fan of Elliot Williams, and I think he'll eventually be the starting SG. With Williams at SG, I think Marshall is a bit better fit. I'm happy with either, but Lillard is apparently impressing everyone who has seen him, so I'll take the experts at their word at this point
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Post#1360 » by Blazinaway » Fri Jun 8, 2012 7:04 pm

GreenRiddler wrote:Chad Ford: Damian Lillard really helped himself last 2 days. Shot ball well. Competed. Just measured with a 36" inch standing and 40" full vertical.

Wow Lillard is more athletic than I thought. Westbrook only had a 30 and full 36.5 Rose 34.5 full 40...Impressive.


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