SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[KrazySixersD]

tyreke is a little shorter but has better wingspan, almost identical standing reach... idk.. i knwo tyreke gets to the line and gets calls while turner doesnt but i feel if turner got the reigns like evans he would have the same numbers

[The Sixer Fixer]

I wouldn't say Jefferson's scoring efficiency is below average.

You need to factor things like, he hardly EVER turns over the ball despite a pretty high usage. That's rare for a big. I mean, he averages 1 TPG....compared to Howard at 3.2 /gm. Amlost every C who's worth anything averages TWICE as many turnovers per game compared to Jefferson. Also, while getting to the FT line to boost your PPS ratio is great and all, but if you get to the line a ton and miss them, is it really that great (figure every 2 FT's = 1 shot, right? That pulls guys PPS efficiency down IMO).

If you use a stat like PER (Player Efficiency Rating), Jefferson is one of the best C's in the league. He was third behind only Howard and Bynum this year (not far off either).

[jazzfan1971]

Jefferson isn't a savior for a team. His defense, especially PnR defense is poor. He doesn't run the floor. And as was said he doesn't get to the line.

He is a good rebounder and a great low post scorer though.


He's a mixed bag to be sure. He's a good guy though. Nice player to have in the locker room as well.

If you need defensive rebounding and low post scoring and can mask his poor PnR defense, I think he'd be a terrific add for you.

[Gsraider]

If you need defensive rebounding and low post scoring and can mask his poor PnR defense, I think he'd be a terrific add for you.

Philly could certainly use defensive rebounding and low post scoring and if Collins can mask Hawes even occasionally, I would think he could do the same with Jefferson. The problem is, he won't have Iguodala around anymore to help him do the masking and that makes it much, much tougher. I wonder if Philly could possibly acquire Jefferson without trading Iguodala. I have no idea what Utah would want, but I would think guys like Young, Turner, Vucevic and/or a signed and traded Lou could be had. If Utah believes that Kanter is their C of the future, they may really want to move Jefferson.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I wouldn't acquire Jefferson for Iguodala unless they have another move to go along with it.

Regardless, I'd wait until the first round of FA goes by, because I'd still like them to target Deron Williams, and you'll have a better idea about what you can do with your team once FA starts.

[SixerFever215]

yes there somewhat the same because they both like to have there ball in there hands. But Tyreke has better 2 guard skills when he's playing great he's hard to stop ET is not in the same class when it comes to scoring. Tyreke for ET would be a steal for us. I think Sac likes ET cause he can play next to Jimmer who play more like a SG

[jazzfan1971]

If you need defensive rebounding and low post scoring and can mask his poor PnR defense, I think he'd be a terrific add for you.

Philly could certainly use defensive rebounding and low post scoring and if Collins can mask Hawes even occasionally, I would think he could do the same with Jefferson. The problem is, he won't have Iguodala around anymore to help him do the masking and that makes it much, much tougher. I wonder if Philly could possibly acquire Jefferson without trading Iguodala. I have no idea what Utah would want, but I would think guys like Young, Turner, Vucevic and/or a signed and traded Lou could be had. If Utah believes that Kanter is their C of the future, they may really want to move Jefferson.

I'd certainly think we'd be interested in a deal with Turner and Jefferson as the main pieces. No interest in Young, Vucevic, and only slight interest in Lou. (probably not enough to matter)

[51X3RF4N]

Tyreke is a clear number one option on offense? Really? I mean, he averaged 20ppg one season, but since has only averaged 17ppg and 16ppg on 14.5 FGA per game.

If your #1 scoring option isn't even averaging 20ppg on a regular basis, you are in trouble.

[mybestfiend]

That Kings team was terrible and full of black holes. In a properly designed offense he can be a #1 scoring option, for sure.

[51X3RF4N]

I'd certainly think we'd be interested in a deal with Turner and Jefferson as the main pieces. No interest in Young, Vucevic, and only slight interest in Lou. (probably not enough to matter)

Interesting. So Brand amnestied, Turner and Thad for Jefferson (Thad as a cap space filler), draft A. Rivers. Sign backup PG and draft best bigs available in the 2nd round.

Jrue/FA
Rivers/Meeks
Iggy/S. Young
Jefferson/2nd round pick
Allen/Vuc

Could work, I guess. Rivers is the #1 scoring threat, in the NBA he could easily avg 22ppg. His outside shot opens up the lanes for Iggy and Jrue, who also complement his lack of defense well.

[KrazySixersD]

can we please come up with a way to NOT start lavoy freakin allen please?

good lord...

we have a ton of capspace... use it to get a frontcourt player... or if you are saving for 2013, then rebuild this year anyways and accumulate draft picks

dont half ass it one way or the other

[The Sixer Fixer]

I'd certainly think we'd be interested in a deal with Turner and Jefferson as the main pieces. No interest in Young, Vucevic, and only slight interest in Lou. (probably not enough to matter)

Interesting. So Brand amnestied, Turner and Thad for Jefferson (Thad as a cap space filler), draft A. Rivers. Sign backup PG and draft best bigs available in the 2nd round.

Jrue/FA
Rivers/Meeks
Iggy/S. Young
Jefferson/2nd round pick
Allen/Vuc

Could work, I guess. Rivers is the #1 scoring threat, in the NBA he could easily avg 22ppg. His outside shot opens up the lanes for Iggy and Jrue, who also complement his lack of defense well.

Why even amnesty Brand in that scenario? It's not like the team you laid out is utilizing that cap room. May as well keep him around as a mentor to those young bigs.

[sixerswillrule]

I wouldn't say Jefferson's scoring efficiency is below average.

You need to factor things like, he hardly EVER turns over the ball despite a pretty high usage. That's rare for a big. I mean, he averages 1 TPG....compared to Howard at 3.2 /gm. Amlost every C who's worth anything averages TWICE as many turnovers per game compared to Jefferson. Also, while getting to the FT line to boost your PPS ratio is great and all, but if you get to the line a ton and miss them, is it really that great (figure every 2 FT's = 1 shot, right? That pulls guys PPS efficiency down IMO).

If you use a stat like PER (Player Efficiency Rating), Jefferson is one of the best C's in the league. He was third behind only Howard and Bynum this year (not far off either).

His low turnovers are great, but we just broke the record for the lowest turnovers and our offense was still bad. Getting to the line always boosts efficiency, unless you're Howard. Jefferson has skills and puts up points, but he takes too many shots to get those points. He's a finesse player. He offers defensive rebounding which we do need, but he's a poor defender otherwise. He's a good player but he's just not a guy who will take this team to the next level. I would much prefer to go for youth.

[KrazySixersD]

i agree with rebuilding and accumulating draft picks... however if we arent going to do that... jefferson is the way to go

we have ZERO... literally zero inside scoring... none... a guy who can score in the post would do wonders for jrue and turner on the outside...

and it gives us cap flexibility as well going with him

[bmyers3317]

The Sixers want "athletic big men" not slow one dimensional plodders.

[freshie2]

I'd certainly think we'd be interested in a deal with Turner and Jefferson as the main pieces. No interest in Young, Vucevic, and only slight interest in Lou. (probably not enough to matter)

Interesting. So Brand amnestied, Turner and Thad for Jefferson (Thad as a cap space filler), draft A. Rivers. Sign backup PG and draft best bigs available in the 2nd round.

Jrue/FA
Rivers/Meeks
Iggy/S. Young
Jefferson/2nd round pick
Allen/Vuc

Could work, I guess. Rivers is the #1 scoring threat, in the NBA he could easily avg 22ppg. His outside shot opens up the lanes for Iggy and Jrue, who also complement his lack of defense well.

Why even amnesty Brand in that scenario? It's not like the team you laid out is utilizing that cap room. May as well keep him around as a mentor to those young bigs.

Agree. Brand may have been disadvantaged mor than others by the compressed schedule, and I could see him having a better year next season. He and Al wiuldn't win any races, but are professional bigs, and give you great depth inside with Vuc and Lavoy.

[RichieW]

Spurs fan here guys, curious how highly do you think the #15 pick is valued on its own? Aldridge says the Sixers need perimeter shooting and a power forward. The Spurs have great perimeter shooters like Neal who shoots 44% from 3. Bonner is a great shooter at the 4 if you want to stretch the floor for your young guys to drive to the basket. Splitter and Blair are PF/C who could be added to a deal, both finish well around the rim in pick and roll sets but don't shoot it well

I don't know exactly how those guys are viewed around the league, clearly they aren't stars but Neal and Blair are very cheap salary-wise and Bonner and Splitter, while both completely different, are role players who can easily give you 25 - 30 mins/night

Is that kind of deal even close? Something like Blair + Neal + Bonner for #15.

[freshie2]

I think we have enough glue guys...really need a starting big and a starting scorer/ shooter. No offense intended...I get what you are saying, but I think they would prefer to stick with their own 'glue' guys.

[freshie2]

Combine the Iggy and ET rumors, and say they draft the best SF/combo forward @ 15....how good/bad is this lineup?

Jrue/Watson
Tyreke/Meeks or Lou (whoever is re-signed)
Harkless or Perry Jones/Thad (he would be in the rotation somewhere)
Brand/Allen
Al Jeff/Vucevic

Not perfect, but Tyreke and AJeff certainly are more talented at those positions. May need to pick up a FA SF, but I think Harkless will be very good defensively, and love the upside with Jones (realizing the risk). Would be an interesting year, with both Brand and Jefferson FAs in 2013.

[Mik317]

Jrue would be the only good shooter in that lineup

BUUUUT

I would be okay with that. It sounds okay in theory. I doubt the FO goes for it.