2012 Orland Magic NBA draft thread ...

[magicman123]

But Durant came into the league with an NBA ready jump shot, how is Quincy Miller's?

His shooting is not close to an NCAA Durant level. I personally wonder how the heck he is even going to get that shot off cleanly.

His teamate Perry Jones III has more KD in him then Quincy does. Quincy Miller is more Poor Man's Danny Manning (slower and minus DM's passing ability).

He has a chance to be good, but i cant help but wonder how he will do once he has to go against better pure athletes and players closer to his size. His shot (set shot+low release form) worries me a little.

yea his form is fugly,he will struggle on the perimeter in the nba, down low hes not quick enough or strong enough to be a lethal threat (at this moment), but once again the kid is only 19 and he will likely be a long term project...not the worst case scenario at 19

[Skin]

Quincy's shot is very respectable. When you're talking about comparing ANYBODY's shot to the best player in basketball, you're going to come short. So there's no sense in comparing Miller to Durant. Player comparisons in general are never gonna work anyways because each player is different. People love to make comparisons, but it's an exercise in poor choice. What you have to like about Miller is how natural the game comes to him. His handle is sick for a player that is 6'9. His movements are extremely fluid, which cannot be understated. He knows how to work the middle of the key with his pivot foot. He has the length to get his jump shot off. ...and like it's been mentioned, the best part of him is probably his upside. He does need to learn to focus on defense more and avoid bouts of going invisible. At 19 years old, he's naturally got some bady maturing ahead. Anyone wanting a finished product is expecting too much from the 19th pick.

That's why I think getting that trade done with NOR would be perfect as Miller could be groomed behind Ariza.

[blue and white]

For the record, I'd rather take a PG in the 1st rd. We really need to find a true PG to pair with Dwight.

not if we hire brian shaw who will almost 100% likely will impliment the triangle where centers and sg's tend to excel. jameer is the perfect pg for the triangle because their mainly there to bring the ball up and spot up on the perimeter

[Truth24]

It really depends on where we are talking about because from deep Miller is inconsitent, but mid-range he can be deadly. Yes his form isn't the best but not everybody is going to have great form on their jumper. I do believe in the league he will be a great worker inside the arch and will be able to hit open 3s but he won't be a 3 threat early in his career.

I also don't like comparing players because people tend to try and make that player fit exactly into their comparison. Quincy is a unique type of player because he is 6'10 and extremely smooth with his handles and shot. He knows how to use ball fakes and his body to get contact similar to Paul Pierce and he has great lenth to be a disruptence on defense.

[ChildishGambino]

Tyshawn Taylor vids.....
Athleticism
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_w80FydXh0[/youtube]

Shooting
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36f-7CW-L9A&feature=relmfu[/youtube]

Ball-Handling
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQsOjRKHGbs&feature=relmfu[/youtube]

Passing
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlWFHLYUwmU[/youtube]

Defense
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVwJfLZpCkQ[/youtube]

Underrated

[blue and white]

It really depends on where we are talking about because from deep Miller is inconsitent, but mid-range he can be deadly. Yes his form isn't the best but not everybody is going to have great form on their jumper. I do believe in the league he will be a great worker inside the arch and will be able to hit open 3s but he won't be a 3 threat early in his career.

I also don't like comparing players because people tend to try and make that player fit exactly into their comparison. Quincy is a unique type of player because he is 6'10 and extremely smooth with his handles and shot. He knows how to use ball fakes and his body to get contact similar to Paul Pierce and he has great lenth to be a disruptence on defense.

I completely agree I've seen more pierce in his offensive game then Durant where I see him similar to Durant is the bodies are very similar in length and wiryness

[magicman123]

child, are those videos suppose to make taylor look good or bad? man that kid cant stand up straight

[ChildishGambino]

child, are those videos suppose to make taylor look good or bad? man that kid cant stand up straight

beauty is in the eye of the beholder...take from it what you will....me i like his game....but i acknowledge his flaws though but to be honest no PG in this draft is really strong....but if i had a gun to my head and i had to pick a PG....i'll take a 6"4 PG who is fast as anyone in this draft and can shoot plus defend....not a terrible passer either....

[Truth24]

I'm not a big Tyshawn Taylor fan and have never been really impressed with him, and I would still want Josh Selby over him there and in the NBA. Althoug to be honest there are no point guards that I just love in this draft and I would much rather wait until next year to nab a point guard.

I know we are talking about a lot of different people for our picks but I want to throw out a couple more names for people to think about.

Draymond Green, Michigan State (6'7"-235lbs-7'1.25"wingspan)

If we didn't have the 19th and had something like 22-30 then I would be pimping out Draymond Green because this guy is a player. If you wanna talk about fire and passion for the game then Green is exactly that type of player. Heart is a word thrown around now a days but this is something that defines Green on the court. Draymond is a very similar player and prospect that White is but a little lighter and inch shorter. Green has incrediable vision and passing abilties and along with that he does have a very good mid-range and deep shot. Draymond can handle the ball but he isn't that comfortable taking his guy off the dribble and would much prefer to back him down and either do a post spin or turn around jumper. Draymond is also a very good rebounder and can be a solid defender on the wing with his great length. I'm not talking about taking him with the 19th pick but if he is around at 49 we better jump on him. Great mentality and leadership quality player!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lumD3NIVZQ[/youtube]

Khris Middleton, Texas A&M (6'8"-216 lbs-6'10.75"wingspan)

Now this is a guy who is flying under the radar that has some major talent and could be a player we pick at 19. Khris Middleton is another smooth player who has the ability to player either the 2 or 3 with much success. I know I have been pimping Miller as a good mid range shooter but if we were to rank the best mid-range players in the draft it would go Middleton-D.Lamb-Q.Miller. Khris Middleton is one of the best triple threat players that I have seen in a long time. He is flying under the radar because of his sub par junior season but he has been killing it at the combine and showing why scouts were praising him following his sophmore season. Middleton is a very unselfish player and will not force his shot or take bad shot selections. He does have the ability to be a spot up shooter but that would be a waste of his talent. His defense isn't great but it isn't horrible either and he does show and signs for improvement in that area.

[The Effect]

cant search through 45 pages, but what does this board think about Meyers Leonard?

[eraman2008]

Meyers is frekkin huge.
I really like this Quincy dude, didn't like his shot tho.

[jfinley88]

Might be considered a reach by ESPN or whatever, but I think Will Barton would be a great grab for us at 19. Plays with great passion and you can tell from his interviews that he actually cares about the outcome of every game. Great transition/slasher type SG that could offer a nice change up from Redick's style of play. And not only does he have all the physical tools and size to be a great SG, but he shot over 50% last year for Memphis. Can also create his own shot and was a pretty good defender against better opponents. What does everyone else think about him? And why are most sites putting him in the 30s range? I realize he's a little thin but with another 10-15 pounds to his frame, I see no reason why this guy isn't top 15 talent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBsojdLTqWY

[ChildishGambino]

Royce White is intriguing too....like what he brings.....Jump shot definitely needs work but for a SF he does a lot of things well.....After Quincy and Tyshawn i would probably consider him.....like the fact that he can fight for the rebound and bring the ball up himself....sick handles for someone that big and powerful looking and his passing is amazing for his size too....Vision of a PG

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdYRh5oEJ4U[/youtube]

[The Real Dalic]

This draft needs to get here soon. I really want to know who's going to be the new part of the Magic family. I hope we actually do homework this year though.

[arkknight1988]

royce white put up a triple double with the flu?? ok im interested

[Nemesis21]

If going with a SF at 19, I prefer Jeff Taylor over the others.

[Truth24]

If going with a SF at 19, I prefer Jeff Taylor over the others.

Really solid player with a good outside shot and great defense but the only thing that scares me is his lack of handles. I mean they are god awful and once he does get the ball in his hands he becomes very robotic with the ball. I rank him behind Miller, White, and Harkless but I wouldn't mind him if those three were gone.

[ChildishGambino]

If we stay at 19 i'll be content because imo out of Quincy Miller/Jeff Taylor/Royce white/Tyshawn Taylor......at least 2 of those guys will still be there possibly all of them....i would love it if one of those guys got picked i would be content with any of those guys....but i'm pretty much set on Quincy though.....

[Blue_and_Whte]

Like Ive said 100 times Harkless's shot can improve because of his mechanics and he has a very strong work ethic. Imo miller is the type of player who depends on his ability and less on working hard.

Based on what??

Just my opinion. Watching him play his "It's easy" slogan. Of course I could be 100% wong, but what is Gambino basing his "next Kevin Durant" tag on? I think he's very skilled but it seems he's lost a little of what made him good following that surgery, low jump shot not very explosive, his defense is sub par. sometimes, imo, people become fixated on his pretty handles for a 6'10 guy and I just think there's more to it than that.

He looked BAD when he didnt play well, while I watched guys like Harkless, Taylor, White contribute in other ways if they werent playing well. Just seems mentally weak to me, same goes for Terrance Jones alot of skill but mentally weak. I over analyze stuff but that's just what I see from watching these guys play.

[ChildishGambino]

Like Ive said 100 times Harkless's shot can improve because of his mechanics and he has a very strong work ethic. Imo miller is the type of player who depends on his ability and less on working hard.

Based on what??

Just my opinion. Watching him play his "It's easy" slogan. Of course I could be 100% wong, but what is Gambino basing his "next Kevin Durant" tag on? I think he's very skilled but it seems he's lost a little of what made him good following that surgery, low jump shot not very explosive, his defense is sub par. sometimes, imo, people become fixated on his pretty handles for a 6'10 guy and I just think there's more to it than that.

He looked BAD when he didnt play well, while I watched guys like Harkless, Taylor, White contribute in other ways if they werent playing well. Just seems mentally weak to me, same goes for Terrance Jones alot of skill but mentally weak. I over analyze stuff but that's just what I see from watching these guys play.

keep my name out your mouth fool.......just kidding...The reason why i said SIMILAR to Kevin Durant because that is what i see....Kevin Durant is unique but that doesn't mean there can't be a player with a similar skillset with basically the same frame? I feel like that is Quincy's potential basically a poor man's Kevin Durant.....and i would be fine with that because to me i feel like that would be at a level like Andre Iguadola who is basically a poor man's Lebron James...