2012 NBA Draft - Part V

[theboomking]

John Wall grew a half inch between the time he was drafted and 2011. I don't see how or why Beal will stop growing. He's only 18, I'm guessing he's going to grow an inch or two taller before it's all said and done. Just throwing that out there because I think we're over analyzing his measurements and not realizing the kid still is growing.

I would take a combo of Ray Allen and Eric Gordon any day of the week.

Growing after 18 is the exception, not the rule. It could happen though.

I'm with Dat, I think. MKG is alone in tier 2 now. I've been trying to think of a comp at small forward, but with his temperament, I really think MKG is like the SF version of KG.

[Rafael122]

John Wall grew a half inch between the time he was drafted and 2011. I don't see how or why Beal will stop growing. He's only 18, I'm guessing he's going to grow an inch or two taller before it's all said and done. Just throwing that out there because I think we're over analyzing his measurements and not realizing the kid still is growing.

I would take a combo of Ray Allen and Eric Gordon any day of the week.

Growing after 18 is the exception, not the rule. It could happen though.

I'm with Dat, I think. MKG is alone in tier 2 now. I've been trying to think of a comp at small forward, but with his temperament, I really think MKG is like the SF version of KG.

Except KG has a jumper. Purpose of the game is to outscore your opponent, if you can't score, you're not going to win. MKG might help our locker room and our defense and all that good stuff, but his shot is horrible.

[sfam]

Mark my words that Jeremy Lamb will be a star in the NBA and whoever passes up on him will hate themselves.

These comments always puzzle me. Its one thing when you're looking at a Lebron James getting drafted, or even Davis this year - its pretty clear they're a sure thing. But Jeremy Lamb? We really have no idea how this kid will perform. If we were in an era where everyone stayed 3-4 years, perhaps we'd have a better idea. But we don't. We honestly don't have a clue. At some level its like placing bets at the Kentucky Derby. Some of these guys look great, but until the race (NBA) comes, we just don't know.

That said, the more I see, hear and read about Thomas Robinson, the more I'm inclined to support him for our pick, even though this isn't our area of need. I'm having a hard time thinking he does poorly in the NBA. I'm pretty confident he'd be a clear starter, perhaps bordering on All-star. I don't see any problem with him developing a mid-range shot, which means he rawks at the pick and roll.

Regarding Beal, I'm just not worried about him being an inch shorter. That isn't the difference that makes the difference. I will worry if he's a subpar athlete. But if he comes out OK there, I'll be OK with this pick as well.

MKG is the difficult one. At one level, its possible to see him as an absolute stud all-star in 3-4 years from now. He does look special on the court - he does have that "it" factor that stars have. My fear is if his confidence goes down in the NBA, his game will fold. He really needs to get his shot NBA ready - this might take a few years. But even here, I think I'm OK with this selection.

I still believe Charlotte stays at the #2 (they need to be selling hope, not filling more holes with lower draft picks), and picks either MKG or Robinson. My money's on MKG, because if any team needs someone to prompt them toward a winning culture, its Charlotte. That makes MKG a money pick.

Between Robinson and Beal, I'm torn, but if I'm being honest with myself, I'm torn more based on our needs vice their skill levels.

[Ruzious]

Now on to Robinson:
I was surprised to see his wingspan but his standing reach also puts him in the undersized camp. Hes basically the same size as Kevin Love.

You might want to think about the logic there. You guys ranking players because of these measurements are generally way off, imo.

[sfam]

Now on to Robinson:
I was surprised to see his wingspan but his standing reach also puts him in the undersized camp. Hes basically the same size as Kevin Love.

You might want to think about the logic there. You guys ranking players because of these measurements are generally way off, imo.

Agreed. There's lots of guys the same size as Kevin Love who for some reason, don't resemble Kevin Love on the court. I think the measurements should be seen more as a warning flag or passing grade, not a sign of future performance.

[nate33]

John Wall grew a half inch between the time he was drafted and 2011. I don't see how or why Beal will stop growing. He's only 18, I'm guessing he's going to grow an inch or two taller before it's all said and done. Just throwing that out there because I think we're over analyzing his measurements and not realizing the kid still is growing.

I would take a combo of Ray Allen and Eric Gordon any day of the week.

I agree. I think too many people are getting hung up on his lackluster standing reach, which is a highly variable measurement. The bottom line is that he is a quarter inch taller than Jordan Crawford and has a one-inch greater wingspan despite being 18. If he grows another half-inch taller and wider, he'll be functionally about the same size as Eric Gordon, O.J. Mayo, Brandon Roy, Rudy Fernandez, Marcus Thornton and Willie Green; and bigger than guys like J.J. Redick, Jordan Crawford, Kirk Hinrich, Jodie Meeks, Randy Foye and Monta Ellis. He's not going to impress anybody with his great length, but he's not going to be considered undersized either.

[sfam]

Here's an NBA Combine measurement dendogram, grouping similar sized players together:

http://www.d3coder.com/thecity/wp-conte ... ogram1.png

[princeofpalace]

John Wall grew a half inch between the time he was drafted and 2011. I don't see how or why Beal will stop growing. He's only 18, I'm guessing he's going to grow an inch or two taller before it's all said and done. Just throwing that out there because I think we're over analyzing his measurements and not realizing the kid still is growing.

I would take a combo of Ray Allen and Eric Gordon any day of the week.

Growing after 18 is the exception, not the rule. It could happen though.

I'm with Dat, I think. MKG is alone in tier 2 now. I've been trying to think of a comp at small forward, but with his temperament, I really think MKG is like the SF version of KG.

While women typically stop growing at 18, men typically continue to grow until 21-23.

[theboomking]

John Wall grew a half inch between the time he was drafted and 2011. I don't see how or why Beal will stop growing. He's only 18, I'm guessing he's going to grow an inch or two taller before it's all said and done. Just throwing that out there because I think we're over analyzing his measurements and not realizing the kid still is growing.

I would take a combo of Ray Allen and Eric Gordon any day of the week.

Growing after 18 is the exception, not the rule. It could happen though.

I'm with Dat, I think. MKG is alone in tier 2 now. I've been trying to think of a comp at small forward, but with his temperament, I really think MKG is like the SF version of KG.

While women typically stop growing at 18, men typically continue to grow until 21-23.

That just isn't true. Women are usually done by 16, but often earlier. Men are usually done by 18. There are exceptions, but they are just that. I have professional experience in this area.

[nate33]

That just isn't true. Women are usually done by 16, but often earlier. Men are usually done by 18. There are exceptions, but they are just that. I have professional experience in this area.

It was my understanding men on average stop growing at around 18, but very tall people (such as basketball players) tend to grow through an older age while shorter people often stop growing earlier.

[payitforward]

New mock draft at DR moves Will Barton into the first round along w/ John Jenkins, both of whom I like, and shows us taking Orlando Johnson while DLamb and Jared Cunningham are still on the board (not to mention Jae Crowder).

Johnson is 23. He had a much better Junior year than Senior year. But he has produced in college, no question. Nivek, what does YODA say about him? For that matter, how about Jared Cunningham?

Crowder, Gordon (whose numbers jump out at me) and Draymond Green are still on the board at that pick. Any of them, especially Crowder, look like to me like more value than Johnson.

At 46, DR has us taking Kostas Papanikolaou (thank God for Ctrl-C!!) whoever he is. Leaving English on the board. Denmon isn't even listed. He must have killed his stock in the NJ combined workout. Given what he did in college, I don't get it.

[payitforward]

That just isn't true. Women are usually done by 16, but often earlier. Men are usually done by 18. There are exceptions, but they are just that. I have professional experience in this area.

It was my understanding men on average stop growing at around 18, but very tall people (such as basketball players) tend to grow through an older age while shorter people often stop growing earlier.

It has been my understanding that tall people grow more, while short people grow less -- with the result that tall people are taller than short people.

Will someone tell me why in heaven's name we're talking about this? How hard would it be to make a list of ten bad players w/ the same measurements as Kevin Love? How hard would it be to make a list of ten good players with the same measurements as Mikki Moore?

[nate33]

You gotta take this stuff with a grain of salt, but Beal was apparently told he'd grow to be 6-6 or so:

And Beal, who doesn’t turn 19 until later this month, might not be done growing. “When I was younger, I heard 6-6, probably, 6-6 or 6-7,” Beal said during the NCAA Tournament. “Hopefully I’m still growing. I don’t have any facial hair, so maybe I can still keep going.”

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... z1xJfGnX9c

[AFM]

I'm not drafting him if he can't grow the James Harden beard

[Rafael122]

You gotta take this stuff with a grain of salt, but Beal was apparently told he'd grow to be 6-6 or so:

And Beal, who doesn’t turn 19 until later this month, might not be done growing. “When I was younger, I heard 6-6, probably, 6-6 or 6-7,” Beal said during the NCAA Tournament. “Hopefully I’m still growing. I don’t have any facial hair, so maybe I can still keep going.”

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... z1xJfGnX9c

Him growing 2 inches isn't out of the realm of possibility. Heck Anthony Davis had a 5 inch growth spurt in one summer didn't he?

[nate33]

We don't even need two inches. If he grows just 1 inch over the next 3 years, that would be awesome. He would stand almost 6-6 in shoes with a 6-9 wingspan. Harden is 6-5.5 in shoes with a 6-10.5 wingspan.

[7-Day Dray]

I heard that some men don't stop growing until the age of 25. They have have to be living under the right conditions though. Everybody is different though.

[closg00]

Another circulating rumor - Cavs offering picks 4 & 24 to the Cats for pick #2, they obviously want to nab Beal. Who would give-up Beal for that deal? That deal might be good-enough to get you TRob and Jenkins.

[theboomking]

I heard that some men don't stop growing until the age of 25. They have have to be living under the right conditions though. Everybody is different though.

MKG is much more likely to develop a decent shot then Beal is to grow to the size of an average shooting guard IMHO.

Did anyone here notice that Gilchrist weighed in at 232 pounds? He doesn't look that big to me. That is a man sized SF. With his short area quickness, speed, length and strength, he should really help take our defense a notch up.

[DallasShalDune]

I'd be thrilled with MKG or Beal. I'd be all right with Robinson, but I'd rather have a good SG or SF based on position since we don't have any great potential there. I think all 3 players will have similar 2nd-option all star careers, so it's hard to hate on any of them for me.

Beal makes the most sense, but I can see MKG being great considering his desire, work ethic, and athleticism/size.