1st rd pick general discussion #2 overall (Poll Added)

[Eoghan]

Drummond didn't leave high school early though, guy was gonna go to a post grad year for no reason

The point is he's a good year behind in development in comparison to other college freshmen. I just think it's funny that everybody leaps for joy that Biz looks to be an honest 19 and "sky the limit" whereas Drummond is even younger in comparison to his cohorts and would have even theoretically higher potential but people seem to forget that.

Can someone tell me why T-Rob couldn't get more minutes against the Morris twins a couple of seasons ago? It just seems weird that a guy who is projected to be a top 5 pick in a deep draft could not beat out 2 players who were barely lottery picks in a weak draft.

Yeah, this is why I don't take a lot of stock in college basketball. There are a lot of politics involved that don't translate into basketball reasons. Seniority is huge in the college game so bums like Aldrich and guys like the Morris twins can keep a good player benched just b/c they were there first. I don't hold this against T-Rob, the only negative is that he's a relatively older player in comparison to most in his draft class. The positive way to look at this is that he's a guy that improved his game more and more each year.

[Leolovinliberal]

I voted for TRob, but I must voice my displeasure in the absurdity of having Harrison Bust in this poll. The guy can't create his own shot, can't drive to the hoop, isn't very athletic and the one thing that he's supposedly known for; shooting, he isn't very good at. When his stud pg got hurt in MM and wasn't their to set him up for set shot jumpers, he was pathetic. Do you guys not remember him getting shut down by 6'2 guards from the Ohio Bobcats? This guy is so over rated it's a joke.

We need to draft a PG to replace Kemba Chucker.


Dude is a worse Nate Robinson

Agreed. That's where the #2 for Portlands two firsts come in. Take Lillard with #6 and package Kemba Chucker to a team that still thinks he's good.

[freakon0mics]

PJ3 and Lillard sounds good to me if we can nab both Portland's picks.

[Leolovinliberal]

PJ3 and Lillard sounds good to me if we can nab both Portland's picks.

PJIII? I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

[Liver_Pooty]

Just remember, despite Drummonds physical stats, he failed to dominate at the college level, don't get caught up in the hype

Just remember, his freshman year at UConn was basically his senior year in high school, so his 10/8/3 blocks (I rounded up) against some of the best competition in college basketball were done so by a HS senior.

Whereas your boy sat buried behind Cole Aldrich and the Morris twins on the pecking order.

he was held back a year in school, so hes right on schedule.

[Bobcatsbball]

Just remember, despite Drummonds physical stats, he failed to dominate at the college level, don't get caught up in the hype

Just remember, his freshman year at UConn was basically his senior year in high school, so his 10/8/3 blocks (I rounded up) against some of the best competition in college basketball were done so by a HS senior.

Whereas your boy sat buried behind Cole Aldrich and the Morris twins on the pecking order.

he was held back a year in school, so hes right on schedule.

Oh man...this guy is sounding worse and worse...

[Bobcatsbball]

Can someone tell me why T-Rob couldn't get more minutes against the Morris twins a couple of seasons ago? It just seems weird that a guy who is projected to be a top 5 pick in a deep draft could not beat out 2 players who were barely lottery picks in a weak draft.

One word...politics.

The other thing...that was the season that he lost all of those relatives back to back to back...the fact that he stayed in school and stayed remotely focused is a testament to his mental toughness.

[Eoghan]

Just remember, despite Drummonds physical stats, he failed to dominate at the college level, don't get caught up in the hype

Just remember, his freshman year at UConn was basically his senior year in high school, so his 10/8/3 blocks (I rounded up) against some of the best competition in college basketball were done so by a HS senior.

Whereas your boy sat buried behind Cole Aldrich and the Morris twins on the pecking order.

he was held back a year in school, so hes right on schedule.

He reclassified back to his original draft class after leaving early as a post grad to be draft eligible under per new CBA is how i understand it.

[Liver_Pooty]

he was held back a year in school, so hes right on schedule.[/quote]
He reclassified back to his original draft class after leaving early as a post grad to be draft eligible under per new CBA is how i understand it.[/quote]

You're probably right. I just cant get around the 29% free throw shooting.

[doc.end]

Still Drummond hasn't got great reach somehow - comparing to Bismack's one

Jonathan Givony: Andre Drummond's 7'6.25 wingspan is a top 20 measurement in our database all time: http://bit.ly/KgSrAt about 3 hours ago

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1xEXamoN3

I keep flip flopping between T Rob and Drummond.

There is so much risk with Drummond, but I'm intrigued. Great physical specimen.

But I'm still scared he will turn into Keon Clark.

winspan = reach is not a valid statement. Somehow his reach is considerably shorter than one would expect from his wingspan.

[captaincrunk]

still has a considerable reach though

[fatlever]

i've seen 3 different mocks today and all 3 had the same top 6 and had us talking MKG at #2 followed by beal, barnes, robinson and drummond at #6.

[captaincrunk]

i've seen 3 different mocks today and all 3 had the same top 6 and had us talking MKG at #2 followed by beal, barnes, robinson and drummond at #6.

Everyone seems to think that Cleveland wants barnes and Portland wants Drummond. If those two players aren't on those two teams come draft day, they're all a bunch of fools who shouldn't be listened to (Chad Ford).

MKG just seems like a move towards mediocrity. If he's gonna be a great defender, well a wing defender is nice but they don't really win games. If he was a big I could understand drafting on defense and potential alone but he's not... He's got great size for the 2 and is kind of short for the 3. If we pick him I don't really like a backcourt of Kemba, Hendo, and MKG. Three guys that are on the shorter side of "ok... I guess you can play that position."

[ohara]

I've got ne real reason for feeling this way, but my gut feeling is this: MKG is a MJ type of pick, while T-Rob is a Cho type of pick. I think MJ loves the flash and all the spectacular potential that could come with MKG, while Cho would take the more stable route by taking a player who is going to be real good, but maybe not spectacular. I dont know why, but it just hits me this way.

[freakon0mics]

I can understand Beal, T-Rob, and Drummond as options for the Bobcats but I still don't understand how most mocks have us taking MKG. He is a gifted wing defender but that is not worth taking with the 2nd pick overall.

[HornetJail]

Because MKG is going to be an immediate impact player who will only improve. He could be Gerald Wallace with a better shot (Wallace was a god awful shooter as a rookie) and if Drummond wasn't there, MKG would be my #2.

I've got ne real reason for feeling this way, but my gut feeling is this: MKG is a MJ type of pick, while T-Rob is a Cho type of pick. I think MJ loves the flash and all the spectacular potential that could come with MKG, while Cho would take the more stable route by taking a player who is going to be real good, but maybe not spectacular. I dont know why, but it just hits me this way.

Didn't Cho draft Russell Westbrook? He was not a "safe pick". He swung for the fences on a flashy, athletic, somewhat-raw prospect and it worked wonders for OKC.

Whatever Cho decides is right for the franchise, I'll go along with it (unless he goes out of his way to pick Sullinger or Barnes at #2). OKC wouldn't be a title contender without Cho building that roster. Everyone thought he was nuts drafting RW that early and it worked wonders. I expect him to swing for the fences and pick up Drummond or MKG.

[captaincrunk]

Because MKG is going to be an immediate impact player who will only improve. He could be Gerald Wallace with a better shot (Wallace was a god awful shooter as a rookie) and if Drummond wasn't there, MKG would be my #2.

But think about it: Just because other players used to be bad shooters doesn't mean so and so will find a shot. It doesn't work that way, and people using this kind of "oh i vaguely remember this story before" mentality are the most often disappointed people.

[ohara]

Westbrook was the 4th pick in the 1st round in his draft. Not a reach at all as there were several people who hoped he would be a Bobcat. Cho is just smart.

[debo23]

Cho is doing his magic --- bizmack = ibaka, beal is going to be his westbrook, and next year we'll hopefully draft our durant.

[Stun704]

Cho is doing his magic --- bizmack = ibaka, beal is going to be his westbrook, and next year we'll hopefully draft our durant.

except beal is nothing like westbrook