Trading the #2 pick - dicussion (merged)

[Battery]

I can't see MJ making that deal because we take on an additional 18 million in salary over the next two seasons. Plus, we would have to deal with Okafor's non-caring ass. Not exactly someone you want on a young team.

would you do it if it replaced Maggette with Tyrus? I know NOH wouldn't but would you?

Hmmm it really depends on how much you value the #10 pick. This is a VERY difficult draft to predict and I have no idea, other than Anthony Davis who will be a good NBA player. However, Tyrus at this point is probably impossible to move unless we package our #2 pick, so this is a deal I would seriously consider. If only because Okafor has one less year on his contract which might make it easier for us to dump him in a deal where we don't get screwed.

But make no mistake about it, I DO NOT WANT OKAFOR ON THIS TEAM. He is overrated on defense, always has been. Front your man, buddy, not play off to the side and always go for the shot block. Man, I hate Okafor. Plus, he doesn't give it his all every game and isn't committed to playing winning basketball. However, he is committed to sculpting his body and looking good in the gym. What that has to do with basketball, I have no idea. Neither do the coaches that have coached his overrated ass.

[Jaruff]

I was reading your post in anticipating for the second paragraph.

Okafor and Mullens for our starting front-court. Would be funny.

[Bobcatsbball]

I can't see MJ making that deal because we take on an additional 18 million in salary over the next two seasons. Plus, we would have to deal with Okafor's non-caring ass. Not exactly someone you want on a young team.

would you do it if it replaced Maggette with Tyrus? I know NOH wouldn't but would you?

Hmmm it really depends on how much you value the #10 pick. This is a VERY difficult draft to predict and I have no idea, other than Anthony Davis who will be a good NBA player. However, Tyrus at this point is probably impossible to move unless we package our #2 pick, so this is a deal I would seriously consider. If only because Okafor has one less year on his contract which might make it easier for us to dump him in a deal where we don't get screwed.

But make no mistake about it, I DO NOT WANT OKAFOR ON THIS TEAM. He is overrated on defense, always has been. Front your man, buddy, not play off to the side and always go for the shot block. Man, I hate Okafor. Plus, he doesn't give it his all every game and isn't committed to playing winning basketball. However, he is committed to sculpting his body and looking good in the gym. What that has to do with basketball, I have no idea. Neither do the coaches that have coached his overrated ass.

hmmm....so you don't like Okafor?

[Rich4114]

If we somehow knew Drummond would be there at #6 I would be so happy. I feel like trading for #4 raises our chances of Drummond being the pick and #6 guarantees it as long as Cleveland takes Barnes #4 causing Sacto to take MKG/T-Rob/Beal leaving Drummond for us.

Word has it that Cho is actively shopping #2 but apparently the asking price is high. A trade may not happen until draft day when it's more clear who is going in what order. If Drummond causes a lot of big noise we might have to stay tight at #2.

[Diop]

Word has it that Cho is actively shopping #2 but apparently the asking price is high. A trade may not happen until draft day when it's more clear who is going in what order.

That's exactly the stuff I wanna here. Cho working it hard and looking for the best deal.

[bobcats3wallace]

First of all, I seriously doubt Drummond gets past the Kings at 5. They appear to like him, especially next to Cousins.

Second, as a result, there are some trades being talked about. Cleveland and Portland are talking about a swap of picks; 4 + 24 for 6 + 11. If you think about it this really makes too much sense to not get done. Cleveland wants Barnes, who will clearly be their at 6. Portland presumably wants Drummond, which it would have to get ahead of the Kings to take. There has been a lot of speculation the Cavs don't want two first rounders, and they already have 2 second rounders, so they may look to trade that 11 for a vet. But bottom line, I don't see the Bobcats making trades with Cavs or Portland. The Cavs wouldn't make any sense. They aren't targeting anyone that they would need to trade up 2 spots to take. They wouldn't do it just for the heck of it. Meanwhile if we trade with Portland, for those that like Drummond, Portland would be doing it FOR Drummond. Therefore if we picked 6 and 11, Drummond would NOT be there. Beal could be the guy that slips, and that we take at 6.

If I had to guess, though, I bet Cleveland and Portland hammer out their deal. It just makes too much sense for both sides. That would mean that Drummond goes 4 to Portland and Barnes goes 6 to Cleveland. Kings likely take MKG in that situation. Key for us is if we can play up like we are interested in Drummond, which sources have said Cho is not going to take such a big gamble on a potential flop, then we could play Portland to get them to trade with us, not Cleveland. Of all people, Cho would be the one to know how to do that.

[captaincrunk]

First of all, I seriously doubt Drummond gets past the Kings at 5. They appear to like him, especially next to Cousins.

Second, as a result, there are some trades being talked about. Cleveland and Portland are talking about a swap of picks; 4 + 24 for 6 + 11. If you think about it this really makes too much sense to not get done. Cleveland wants Barnes, who will clearly be their at 6. Portland presumably wants Drummond, which it would have to get ahead of the Kings to take. There has been a lot of speculation the Cavs don't want two first rounders, and they already have 2 second rounders, so they may look to trade that 11 for a vet. But bottom line, I don't see the Bobcats making trades with Cavs or Portland. The Cavs wouldn't make any sense.

[Rich4114]

The fact that Portland wants Drummond makes me want to see us draft him even more. For those of you that remember Portland was the original obstacle in our way for CP3. payback!

[bobcats3wallace]

It’s not that simple — the Bobcats will consider other candidates for the second pick and could trade it, too — but Robinson and Kidd-Gilchrist appear to be the top candidates to be chosen second, and the difference between them goes beyond their skill sets. Charlotte Observer

Golden State really wants MKG, and have the 7th pick. Problem is, outside of 7 they don't really have much. Of course, besides 7 + Lee, like someone already proposed. Probably unlikely though. Then again this is also the observer reporting this, so Robinson and MKG are probably really at the bottom of Cho's list

[captaincrunk]

It’s not that simple — the Bobcats will consider other candidates for the second pick and could trade it, too — but Robinson and Kidd-Gilchrist appear to be the top candidates to be chosen second, and the difference between them goes beyond their skill sets. Charlotte Observer

Golden State really wants MKG, and have the 7th pick. Problem is, outside of 7 they don't really have much. Of course, besides 7 + Lee, like someone already proposed. Probably unlikely though. Then again this is also the observer reporting this, so Robinson and MKG are probably really at the bottom of Cho's list

If they could get us a lower pick than 7 with a multi team trade, maybe something could happen.

[Kembastockton]

The second-best player in this draft class – or perhaps the best – is Kansas power forward Thomas Robinson. It seems strange, then, that the Charlotte Bobcats, who own the second pick in the draft, haven’t even reached out to Robinson’s camp. No phone call, no interview scheduled, no workout request. It starts to make sense, though, when you learn that the Bobcats are actively shopping the pick, and have no intention of drafting number two. According to several league sources, the Bobcats are looking for a star-caliber player and will only move the pick to a team willing to take on bad contracts like that of Tyrus Thomas or Gana Diop.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba2-nba-draf ... ade-rumors

Looks like we will either be keeping this pick or making one heck of a return on it. I am glad the cats are not going to just give this pick away for two rookies who may or may not pan out.

[fatlever]

that is quite shocking that we havent talked to robinson yet.

based on what we are hearing, it seems we would be all over a gay for #2 + tyrus deal.

[captaincrunk]

that is quite shocking that we havent talked to robinson yet.

based on what we are hearing, it seems we would be all over a gay for #2 + tyrus deal.

Maybe they just don't expect to draft him. Maybe they know that he'd go third, and that any trade back would mean he's off the table anyway? Maybe they don't like him.

[Bassman]

that is quite shocking that we havent talked to robinson yet.

based on what we are hearing, it seems we would be all over a gay for #2 + tyrus deal.

Maybe they just don't expect to draft him. Maybe they know that he'd go third, and that any trade back would mean he's off the table anyway? Maybe they don't like him.

OR...maybe they want to push the buttons of teams looking to trade up for either Drummond or MKG, make the interest high for those players, to see if they can smoke out a team wanting badly to trade up for one of those guys. Short of finalizing a deal well ahead of draft day, Robinson will be in for a workout at some point.

I do not like the idea of Cleveland and Portland trading together. That takes out the most choice options for us in one fell swoop.

[JMAC3]

The second-best player in this draft class – or perhaps the best – is Kansas power forward Thomas Robinson. It seems strange, then, that the Charlotte Bobcats, who own the second pick in the draft, haven’t even reached out to Robinson’s camp. No phone call, no interview scheduled, no workout request. It starts to make sense, though, when you learn that the Bobcats are actively shopping the pick, and have no intention of drafting number two. According to several league sources, the Bobcats are looking for a star-caliber player and will only move the pick to a team willing to take on bad contracts like that of Tyrus Thomas or Gana Diop.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba2-nba-draf ... ade-rumors

Looks like we will either be keeping this pick or making one heck of a return on it. I am glad the cats are not going to just give this pick away for two rookies who may or may not pan out.

Also from this link is this:

"The Sacramento Kings

The Kings are absolutely in love with Harrison Barnes, but barring a trade to move up, he won’t be on the board when they get their shot with the fifth pick. If Barnes is gone, sources close to the Kings tell us they will go for size and shot-blocking. They like John Henson, but the fifth pick is a little too high for the UNC forward. There’s been talk of moving DeMarcus Cousins to the four, so the Kings could very well opt to select Andre Drummond at five. Drummond has all the tools to be the next great NBA center, but the question is whether or not anyone can get him to take the game seriously and play hard enough to realize his enormous potential. The Kings could also very easily go Michael Kidd-Gilchrist at five if they do as many expect and move Tyreke Evans. If that happens, expect the Portland Trail Blazers to snap up Drummond at six."

I seems like they me be a potential trade partner for us at 2 now. They seem to be in love with Barnes and may want to move ahead of Cleveland to land him. Also the other guys they have interest in are MKG and Drummond. They would have their pick of who they wanted in this deal or I guess they may stay put and just grab whoever falls out of them.

What kind of deal would we be looking at though to move back from 2 to 5 with Kings. I wonder if there is anyway to get back Evans, who they seem to be giving up on. Other options are possible sign and trades with Twill and Hickson. Jimmer? could be something here we havent talked about yet.

[captaincrunk]

The second-best player in this draft class – or perhaps the best – is Kansas power forward Thomas Robinson. It seems strange, then, that the Charlotte Bobcats, who own the second pick in the draft, haven’t even reached out to Robinson’s camp. No phone call, no interview scheduled, no workout request. It starts to make sense, though, when you learn that the Bobcats are actively shopping the pick, and have no intention of drafting number two. According to several league sources, the Bobcats are looking for a star-caliber player and will only move the pick to a team willing to take on bad contracts like that of Tyrus Thomas or Gana Diop.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba2-nba-draf ... ade-rumors

Looks like we will either be keeping this pick or making one heck of a return on it. I am glad the cats are not going to just give this pick away for two rookies who may or may not pan out.

Also from this link is this:

"The Sacramento Kings

The Kings are absolutely in love with Harrison Barnes, but barring a trade to move up, he won’t be on the board when they get their shot with the fifth pick. If Barnes is gone, sources close to the Kings tell us they will go for size and shot-blocking. They like John Henson, but the fifth pick is a little too high for the UNC forward. There’s been talk of moving DeMarcus Cousins to the four, so the Kings could very well opt to select Andre Drummond at five. Drummond has all the tools to be the next great NBA center, but the question is whether or not anyone can get him to take the game seriously and play hard enough to realize his enormous potential. The Kings could also very easily go Michael Kidd-Gilchrist at five if they do as many expect and move Tyreke Evans. If that happens, expect the Portland Trail Blazers to snap up Drummond at six."

I seems like they me be a potential trade partner for us at 2 now. They seem to be in love with Barnes and may want to move ahead of Cleveland to land him. Also the other guys they have interest in are MKG and Drummond. They would have their pick of who they wanted in this deal or I guess they may stay put and just grab whoever falls out of them.

What kind of deal would we be looking at though to move back from 2 to 5 with Kings. I wonder if there is anyway to get back Evans, who they seem to be giving up on. Other options are possible sign and trades with Twill and Hickson. Jimmer? could be something here we havent talked about yet.

I'd like Evans and T-will.

[SWedd523]

#5/Tyreke/Hayes for #2/Tyrus


NOH -- Anthony Davis
SAC -- Harrison Barnes
WAS -- Brad Beal
CLE -- Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
CHA -- Thomas Robinson


Kemba
Hendo
Tyreke
Robinson
Bismack


Edit: though if Beal fell instead of Robinson, that team might look better

[bobcats3wallace]

Very interesting dynamics here. You got to love it as an NBA junkie. I would love to ask Cho what he views as a "star type" player. Do players such as Gay or Evans fit the bill? What is he looking for?

I'm warming to the idea of Gay for 2 + Thomas, but still a bit iffy. I'm warming to it because I think Gay + Kemba + Biz + Hendo would be a good place to start. Contract is obviously my hold-up here.

As far as Robinson goes, it's interesting. Perhaps they feel he is a lock at 2 if they can't trade, and feel comfortable taking him without any kind of workout. Maybe they want teams to think they are interested in MKG and Drummond to drive up trade value. Who know's, I"m sure Cho has something going on.

As far as Sactown goes, I'm not sure there is much potential there for a trade. If they do want Barnes, then they will have to get ahead of the Cavs for sure. Trading 5 + Evans would almost be like giving away Evans. Here is what I think COULD happen, if there was a trade involving Sactown. Sacramento does have the room to take on Thomas' contract so we could very well see a deal like 5 for 2 + Thomas; perhaps add in a piece somewhere from Sacramento. For them it makes sense though for them because they need a PF next to Cousins and then they could put Barnes in at SF. F or us Beal or Drummond may still be there at 5, although it would be a risk. I wouldn't count on Cleveland passing on Beal at 4 if Barnes is gone.

[Dorko]

#5/Tyreke/Hayes for #2/Tyrus


NOH -- Anthony Davis
SAC -- Harrison Barnes
WAS -- Brad Beal
CLE -- Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
CHA -- Thomas Robinson


Kemba
Hendo
Tyreke
Robinson
Bismack


Edit: though if Beal fell instead of Robinson, that team might look better

why the hell would they take barnes
mkg>beal>>>>>>>>>>barnes

[captaincrunk]

#5/Tyreke/Hayes for #2/Tyrus


NOH -- Anthony Davis
SAC -- Harrison Barnes
WAS -- Brad Beal
CLE -- Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
CHA -- Thomas Robinson


Kemba
Hendo
Tyreke
Robinson
Bismack


Edit: though if Beal fell instead of Robinson, that team might look better

why the hell would they take barnes
mkg>beal>>>>>>>>>>barnes

Even if they take MKG, people seem to think Cleveland will take barnes