Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12

[Marlo Stanfield]

So by beating around the bush you're agreeing that he'd be the worst first line of defense in the NBA... without actually saying it of course.

[MEDIC]

I don't think we can write off Terrence Jones. The guys measurements were very impressive. He's a James Johnson clone physically (except with 2"+ longer wingspan).

JJ & TJ combination at SF would be perfect beside Bargnani (both can rebound & block shots), plus both guys can play PF.

We could draft TJ, then trade Ed Davis + 2nd rounder for a mid first round draft pick.

I'm not completely sold on anyone at 8. I'd love to make a safe pick, then somehow attain a 2nd first rounder to pick a project with high upside.

[MainEvent]

So by beating around the bush you're agreeing that he'd be the worst first line of defense in the NBA... without actually saying it of course.

hed be a Rondo but with no defense athleticism or rebounding

[Marlo Stanfield]

So by beating around the bush you're agreeing that he'd be the worst first line of defense in the NBA... without actually saying it of course.

hed be a Rondo but with no defense athleticism or rebounding

Yeah Definitely a no brainer draft choice

[Waylon Mercy]

Chris Sheridans latest mock

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/06/09 ... d-falling/

8. Raptors – Jeremy Lamb, SG, Connecticut
Lamb is a long, athletic, scoring guard that would do very well playing alongside DeMar DeRozan in Toronto. The Raptors need someone like Lamb who can provide an additional scoring option on the perimeter. The fact that Lamb is an aggressive defender will also make him more appealing in Toronto.

[DG88]

So by beating around the bush you're agreeing that he'd be the worst first line of defense in the NBA... without actually saying it of course.

hed be a Rondo but with no defense athleticism, wingspan, big hands or rebounding

fixed

[northernlight]

So by beating around the bush you're agreeing that he'd be the worst first line of defense in the NBA... without actually saying it of course.

Actually his worst first line metrics rank top 5 so he's solid there. Never have seen him defend in the bush though so will defer to your superior knowledge on that point.

[Marlo Stanfield]

So by beating around the bush you're agreeing that he'd be the worst first line of defense in the NBA... without actually saying it of course.

Actually his worst first line metrics rank top 5 so he's solid there. Never have seen him defend in the bush though so will defer to your superior knowledge on that point.

If you think Kendall Marshall is even an adequate defender you've never seen him play. Every post you make digs your grave deeper.

Direct quote from DX

The defensive end, however, is perhaps the most concerning aspect of Marshall's game projecting to the next level, as his lack of quickness on this end of the floor is concerning in the dribble-drive centric NBA, and already is a problem against high level competition in college. While Marshall brings a good effort and fundamental level to the table at the college level, he is prone to being blown by more athletic competition due to his below average lateral quickness, and often has to give up notable space on the perimeter to compensate. His excellent size allows him to offset his other limitations somewhat, notably in the pick-and-roll game at times, but overall his ability to defend point guards consistently is a question mark projecting to the NBA, and he will really need to put in work to maximize his effectiveness on this end of the floor.

[Dalek]

So by beating around the bush you're agreeing that he'd be the worst first line of defense in the NBA... without actually saying it of course.

Actually his worst first line metrics rank top 5 so he's solid there. Never have seen him defend in the bush though so will defer to your superior knowledge on that point.

If you think Kendall Marshall is even an adequate defender you've never seen him play. Every post you make digs your grave deeper.

Direct quote from DX

The defensive end, however, is perhaps the most concerning aspect of Marshall's game projecting to the next level, as his lack of quickness on this end of the floor is concerning in the dribble-drive centric NBA, and already is a problem against high level competition in college. While Marshall brings a good effort and fundamental level to the table at the college level, he is prone to being blown by more athletic competition due to his below average lateral quickness, and often has to give up notable space on the perimeter to compensate. His excellent size allows him to offset his other limitations somewhat, notably in the pick-and-roll game at times, but overall his ability to defend point guards consistently is a question mark projecting to the NBA, and he will really need to put in work to maximize his effectiveness on this end of the floor.

To be fair to Marshall, we had Calderon and Bargnani on the floor and the Raptors were still a middle of the pack defensive team. Marshall should be at least equivalent to Calderon in that regard.

Also, Marshall is slated in the first round, maybe not 8 but within the lottery, so you have to believe that some GMs must think his positives outweigh his negatives. Many draft sites/scouts also see him as one of the best pass-first guys in the past few years. I wouldn't be opposed to him at 8, because no matter who you draft there will be something that is negative or a red flag.

[witnessraps]

Didn't Kendall Marshall have the best assist average in the NCAA dating back quite a while? That's a good statistic. I haven't watched much, but if he is a suspect defender, it will be good for him to join us as that is 90% of what our coach is focusing on. How is his shooting?

[northernlight]

Thanks. That's really very broad-minded because I know that a pure distributer with limited offensive skills and defensive issues is a stretch at 8. I liked him originally but have pretty much been convinced Lamb or Lilliard have more potential provided none of the top guys slip.

What attracted me to Marshall was that he appears to possess one skill at an elite level. Normally a one-trick-pony would be dismissed quickly especially one with the defects you have pointed out, however, this skill makes everyone else better and that makes a difference. I am not an apologist for Demar or Andrea but getting the ball at the right time in the right spot makes players better because they can make their moves and shots on balance with a bit more room.

What moved me to sign in and write was that it was posted that his teammate's performance became mediocre once Kendall was injured. That teammate will likely go very high.

I don't expect him to be our pick but I think that he will have many happy over-productive teammates where ever he goes.

[drew_8730]

anyone notice the latest mock draft on nbadraft.net?
waiters at 8 and lamb at 9

[northernlight]

Didn't Kendall Marshall have the best assist average in the NCAA dating back quite a while? That's a good statistic. I haven't watched much, but if he is a suspect defender, it will be good for him to join us as that is 90% of what our coach is focusing on. How is his shooting?

Without a doubt he is an incredible pass first pure point guard. He has excellent size but not much of a scorer but improving it appears. Lots on the upside but sort of opposite to Lillard whom I like as well but for scoring reasons. Perhaps someone will fall out of the top unexpectedly and make this all moot..

Wish Kendall had a better stroke, Lillard had better vision and Lamb.........well interviews don't matter. I hope.

[Marlo Stanfield]

To be fair to Marshall, we had Calderon and Bargnani on the floor and the Raptors were still a middle of the pack defensive team. Marshall should be at least equivalent to Calderon in that regard.

Also, Marshall is slated in the first round, maybe not 8 but within the lottery, so you have to believe that some GMs must think his positives outweigh his negatives. Many draft sites/scouts also see him as one of the best pass-first guys in the past few years. I wouldn't be opposed to him at 8, because no matter who you draft there will be something that is negative or a red flag.

Excellent points. But it was still obvious that Calderon hurt us defensively even though the ultimate effort was there. Bargnani is not a bad defender, he's average at worst. For Marshall, there's no denying his passing skills and his ability to run an offense. But two-way point guards are especially necessary with this becoming a point guards league. Kendall will be a one-way guy which makes him an average NBA player. Look at the best teams, outside of Miami they all have elite point guards. The Rondo's, Parker's, Westbrook's, Rose's and Paul's of the world.

[northernlight]

I think your analysis of the the point situation is exactly correct. The 1 spot is in a huge problem for us and if we think BPA at 8 is a point my take is that Kendall would be a brilliant distributor of the ball but weak on the scoring/defense side. Lillard would excel at scoring but not be nearly as good making his teammates better. Others are in play at 8 too.........I hope we keep it and make the right decision.......which I will reveal in a year or two.

[fredericklove]

Didn't Kendall Marshall have the best assist average in the NCAA dating back quite a while? That's a good statistic. I haven't watched much, but if he is a suspect defender, it will be good for him to join us as that is 90% of what our coach is focusing on. How is his shooting?

His shooting is inconsistent, early in the season he shot poorly but later in the tourney he shot quite well but his shooting mechanic is not an ideal one. Also, I don't see him getting much opportunity to get his shots off in the NBA level especially if he's defended by a long lengthy quick guard.

His defense is really just...terrible. He's got size but he absolutely has no lateral quickness/quick hands/footwork to catch up w/ any lightening quick guard. It's that bad.

[Undefeated]

What I'll say about Kendall Marshall is that he's an exceptionally phenomenal decision-maker; his ability to survey the floor and process the game all on the fly is something very rare you don't witness from a PG often. But there's a defining line between being a magnificent playmaker and a decision-maker. Kendall isn't exactly a great playmaker. By that sense, I mean his ability to weasel out of trouble and extend the possession until its last drop. I don't get that vibe when I'm watching him. I'm not going to downplay his near 10 apg, but you have to wonder how much of that is on the product of the UNC system? Firstly, he had the ball on nearly every possession allowing him to pick up a few gimme assists. And it's easy to rack up assists when you're playing with two dominant frontcourt players where a single entry pass is all it takes and capable knockdown shooters on the wing when he's swinging the ball. Secondly, UNC was notorious for running pick-and-rolls, so he had the ball a lot in his hands to create for others. When I think of top tier lead Guards like CP3, D-Will, Rondo, and Nash all those guys are able to lead their teammates to places they didn't know. What I'm saying is the ball finds the players when their PG is dropping dimes. You don't see that from Kendall Marshall, he can't create something out of nothing like a Tony Wroten Jr. or Josiah Turner. I'm not sure if I want another PG who's just a "floor general". I want a prospect with that flare to his game. Maybe Damian Lillard has that...

[Dr Positivity]

Undefeated, in regards to a dynamic passing PG, have you seen this Machado video from the play-in game

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM5E7YdMHnw[/youtube]

I didn't see as much of Machado as Marshall this year, but I have a really strong urge to call this guy the best PG prospect in the draft. He DOES seem to have that flair, and as far as I can tell Machado is actually a more explosive athlete than Marshall (but smaller), while being a step up from him as a shooter. It seems to me like the concerns that would come with Machado being a senior in a bad conference (Is he athletic enough? Was his passing numbers inflated because of the competition?) may be unfounded, because he very well could be a better passer and athlete than Marshall. I can't stress enough how excited I'd be if we got him with a 2nd pick (I don't see him falling to 37, but maybe with a move-up) or with like Memphis' #25 if we did a Gay deal. I'd be 'players ranked in the lotto' excited to see this guy play. I get goosebumps with some of the passes he makes in that video. I think he makes more 'flair' passes in that one game than Jose did the entire season

[turner10]

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanCBS
Kendall Marshall scheduled to workout for Toronto, Phoenix and Dallas this week, per source. Toronto (M/T), Phoenix (W/TH) and Dallas (Fri.)

[Aidin]

Different players talking about the raptors
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