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Re: SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread 

Post#841 » by The Sixer Fixer » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:17 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:I dont think so on Lou unless its a real team friendly deal. But they may revisit if things go their way in free agency.


One of the best things I have heard recently. Lou is going to go for the $$ IMO so I pray he prices himself out of the Sixers range. There's a TON of decent combo guards out there you can use to replace Lou. Or just get a more conventional PG and SG to use off the bench.
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Re: SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread 

Post#842 » by Skates » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:22 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Honestly, I don't care if we get worse in the short term as long as we secure Drummond and begin developing him for the long term. We all know the playoffs was fool's gold. Even our front office has been alluding to it. So we should be less concerned with maintaining competitiveness with our return for Iguodala.


What you or I or any ahrdcore fan think they should do is irrelevant, what the FO and ownership group will do is what matters. I just don't see them committing to a major rebuild, which is what grabbing Drummond for Iggy would be. Remember, Drummond really didn't even contribute all that much at the college level last year and is very young. If they were going young, they should do it all the way, but they won't.

Waiters? Not a fan and wouldn't trade up for him.

I'd be fine with Ross, Leonard (probably gone) or Moultrie at 15. Solid picks in a spot where you try to get a solid player.
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Re: SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread 

Post#843 » by sixerfan1976 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:25 pm

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sixerfan1976 wrote:I dont think so on Lou unless its a real team friendly deal. But they may revisit if things go their way in free agency.


One of the best things I have heard recently. Lou is going to go for the $$ IMO so I pray he prices himself out of the Sixers range. There's a TON of decent combo guards out there you can use to replace Lou. Or just get a more conventional PG and SG to use off the bench.


The toronto deal would give you calderon if he isnt a starter........could be your scorer off bench.

Lets just project that trade out a little and assume they grab Waiters.

Jrue/Calderon
Waiters/meeks???
Turner/Thad
FA/Ed Davis
Allen/Vucevic

Still money from amnesty of brand to add a big man

They really have a lot of flexibility if they play their cards right........I hope they do.

I still prefer a gasol or jefferson deal and you look like this:
Jrue/Watson
Turner/Meeks???
Ross/Thad
Jefferson/????
Allen/Vucevic

and still max money to sign someone from Brand amnesty
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Re: SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread 

Post#844 » by Sixerlover » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:26 pm

I didn't see any of Ross during college, but reading DX and watching Washington game videos, he is an athletic 3pt shooter, that can get his own shot off the dribble, but struggles driving to the basket and doesn't have a high bbiq. Sounds like a Nick Young, JR Smith mold SG to me. Am I correct on that, or does the eye test tell you guys different?
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Re: SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread 

Post#845 » by sixerfan1976 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:27 pm

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Kobblehead wrote:Honestly, I don't care if we get worse in the short term as long as we secure Drummond and begin developing him for the long term. We all know the playoffs was fool's gold. Even our front office has been alluding to it. So we should be less concerned with maintaining competitiveness with our return for Iguodala.


What you or I or any ahrdcore fan think they should do is irrelevant, what the FO and ownership group will do is what matters. I just don't see them committing to a major rebuild, which is what grabbing Drummond for Iggy would be. Remember, Drummond really didn't even contribute all that much at the college level last year and is very young. If they were going young, they should do it all the way, but they won't.

Waiters? Not a fan and wouldn't trade up for him.

I'd be fine with Ross, Leonard (probably gone) or Moultrie at 15. Solid picks in a spot where you try to get a solid player.



I'd be fine with Moultrie too if we traded Iguodala for a scoring guard already.
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Re: SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread 

Post#846 » by PhilasFinest » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:27 pm

KrazySixersD wrote:what on earth would we plan to do with rivers if we drafted him? would we really start him at SG and turner at SF????

we would have an AWFUL perimeter defense with no rim protectors to boot....

atleast if we got ross he would probably slide rite into the starting SF role since he can hit 3's allowing turner to stay at SG... that makes more sense..

austin rivers makes no sense for this team unless he is just literally taking over lou's spot... and im not comfortable drafting a 6th man with the 15th pick


Bro. What the heck do you expect from a #15 pick? If you get a 6th man you should be happy.

People's minds are delusional if they think we're getting a superstar starter at 15. It won't happen.
There's people who arent even in the league that have been picked at 15. You take a swing at the highest potential there and hope it goes over the fence.
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Post#847 » by sixerfan1976 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:29 pm

PhilasFinest wrote:
KrazySixersD wrote:what on earth would we plan to do with rivers if we drafted him? would we really start him at SG and turner at SF????

we would have an AWFUL perimeter defense with no rim protectors to boot....

atleast if we got ross he would probably slide rite into the starting SF role since he can hit 3's allowing turner to stay at SG... that makes more sense..

austin rivers makes no sense for this team unless he is just literally taking over lou's spot... and im not comfortable drafting a 6th man with the 15th pick


Bro. What the heck do you expect from a #15 pick? If you get a 6th man you should be happy.

People's minds are delusional if they think we're getting a superstar starter at 15. It won't happen.
There's people who arent even in the league that have been picked at 15. You take a swing at the highest potential there and hope it goes over the fence.



Agree and also funny that Austin Rivers is also your SG in the real gm league you guys are doing:)

but agree...I think austin rivers will be a fine nba player.
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Re: SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread 

Post#848 » by KrazySixersD » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:31 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:to Krazy's point. Would Ray Allen want to sign here? depends what else we do. Do we have a role for him? depends what else we do.

He is better than Meeks and i still think they bring him back unfortunately(he is a doug guy, whatever that is)


ok but lets be real... ray allen is in pure ring chase mode he is NOT coming here... at all
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Re: SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread 

Post#849 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:31 pm

Sixerlover wrote:I didn't see any of Ross during college, but reading DX and watching Washington game videos, he is an athletic 3pt shooter, that can get his own shot off the dribble, but struggles driving to the basket and doesn't have a high bbiq. Sounds like a Nick Young, JR Smith mold SG to me. Am I correct on that, or does the eye test tell you guys different?


But he can't dribble or handle the rock in any way or fashion so scratch Young and Smith off the comparison list (both excellent ball handlers).
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Re: SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread 

Post#850 » by sixerfan1976 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:32 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Sixerlover wrote:I didn't see any of Ross during college, but reading DX and watching Washington game videos, he is an athletic 3pt shooter, that can get his own shot off the dribble, but struggles driving to the basket and doesn't have a high bbiq. Sounds like a Nick Young, JR Smith mold SG to me. Am I correct on that, or does the eye test tell you guys different?


But he can't dribble or handle the rock in any way or fashion so scratch Young and Smith off the comparison list (both excellent ball handlers).


Which fits well playing with Jrue and turner who want the ball in their hands.
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Re: SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread 

Post#851 » by KrazySixersD » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:32 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:I dont think so on Lou unless its a real team friendly deal. But they may revisit if things go their way in free agency. To me Austin Rivers makes alot of sense if you know Lou is going to opt out. But I prefer Ross....I actually prefer Waiters to ross and Beal to Waiters(as so does the draft board) but I do not think they can get up to Beal territory. But I think they would be really really happy if Ross was at 15 and no trade was made.


if ross is there... do they plan on a jrue/turner/ross backcourt?

ross seems to almost have more SG size than SF size due to a lack of arm length... but i suppose can play SF as well
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Re: SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread 

Post#852 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:34 pm

Skates wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Honestly, I don't care if we get worse in the short term as long as we secure Drummond and begin developing him for the long term. We all know the playoffs was fool's gold. Even our front office has been alluding to it. So we should be less concerned with maintaining competitiveness with our return for Iguodala.


What you or I or any ahrdcore fan think they should do is irrelevant, what the FO and ownership group will do is what matters. I just don't see them committing to a major rebuild, which is what grabbing Drummond for Iggy would be. Remember, Drummond really didn't even contribute all that much at the college level last year and is very young. If they were going young, they should do it all the way, but they won't.

Waiters? Not a fan and wouldn't trade up for him.

I'd be fine with Ross, Leonard (probably gone) or Moultrie at 15. Solid picks in a spot where you try to get a solid player.

It's not like trading Iguodala would equate to the Sixers committing to the lottery for the next 2-3 years. This team would still be 39-44 win competitive with Jrue, Evan, Thad and free agent additions going forward. The difference is that they will actually be building towards something instead of running in place with Iguodala or a vet plug in like Jefferson/Gasol.
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Re: SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread 

Post#853 » by The Sixer Fixer » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:35 pm

My head hurts from thinking of all the different combinations of things we might do this off-season.

We can trade Iguodala for...
1. Al Jefferson
2. Rudy Gay
3. Pau Gasol
4. #7, D. Wright and a big contract
5. #8, Calderon and Ed Davis (thought reports are Toronto wouldn't give up Davis)
6. No one, he stays are we get ready to speculate on trades for him 1 year from now.

At think point, I don't even know which of those possibilities I like anymore. Wasn't a fan of Al Jeff, but that's growing on me some. Gasol, I'm not real interested in that, but it's more because of his contract than his age. The picks I would only do if we are moving up for Drummond. If he's gone, just keep Iguodala (or do the veteran for veteran swap) and take BPA at 15.
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Re: SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread 

Post#854 » by sixerfan1976 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:35 pm

KrazySixersD wrote:
sixerfan1976 wrote:I dont think so on Lou unless its a real team friendly deal. But they may revisit if things go their way in free agency. To me Austin Rivers makes alot of sense if you know Lou is going to opt out. But I prefer Ross....I actually prefer Waiters to ross and Beal to Waiters(as so does the draft board) but I do not think they can get up to Beal territory. But I think they would be really really happy if Ross was at 15 and no trade was made.


if ross is there... do they plan on a jrue/turner/ross backcourt?

ross seems to almost have more SG size than SF size due to a lack of arm length... but i suppose can play SF as well


its a possibility for sure.

Turner and Ross can play either sG or SF in my opinion. Can Ross be a go to shooter right away? Not sure..would think a vet would be brought in to bring him along.
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Re: SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread 

Post#855 » by The Sixer Fixer » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:36 pm

KrazySixersD wrote:
sixerfan1976 wrote:to Krazy's point. Would Ray Allen want to sign here? depends what else we do. Do we have a role for him? depends what else we do.

He is better than Meeks and i still think they bring him back unfortunately(he is a doug guy, whatever that is)


ok but lets be real... ray allen is in pure ring chase mode he is NOT coming here... at all


Ring chase mode? Uh, why?...he has a ring. I don't see him as a guy who's just going to take less $$ and a reduced role just to win games.
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Re: SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread 

Post#856 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:38 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:
Sixerlover wrote:I didn't see any of Ross during college, but reading DX and watching Washington game videos, he is an athletic 3pt shooter, that can get his own shot off the dribble, but struggles driving to the basket and doesn't have a high bbiq. Sounds like a Nick Young, JR Smith mold SG to me. Am I correct on that, or does the eye test tell you guys different?


But he can't dribble or handle the rock in any way or fashion so scratch Young and Smith off the comparison list (both excellent ball handlers).


Which fits well playing with Jrue and turner who want the ball in their hands.


I mean I guess. But I don't see a single draft scenario with Ross is the best player available at 15. If we were drafting in the 20's, getting Ross would be excellent. But we have to set our sights a little bit higher at 15.
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Re: SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread 

Post#857 » by sixerfan1976 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:38 pm

The Sixer Fixer wrote:My head hurts from thinking of all the different combinations of things we might do this off-season.

We can trade Iguodala for...
1. Al Jefferson
2. Rudy Gay
3. Pau Gasol
4. #7, D. Wright and a big contract
5. #8, Calderon and Ed Davis (thought reports are Toronto wouldn't give up Davis)
6. No one, he stays are we get ready to speculate on trades for him 1 year from now.

At think point, I don't even know which of those possibilities I like anymore. Wasn't a fan of Al Jeff, but that's growing on me some. Gasol, I'm not real interested in that, but it's more because of his contract than his age. The picks I would only do if we are moving up for Drummond. If he's gone, just keep Iguodala (or do the veteran for veteran swap) and take BPA at 15.


good summary but we have no interest in the golden state deal because of jefferson or biedrins we do not want.

Ed Davis isnt a have to have by any means...but he has a lil upside.

Dont think Rudy Gay is viable. But I would do that if it was. I really think at this point, on June 11, one of 1, 3 or 5(in some variation) will happen. But I think its fun to have your head spinning at all the possibilities. Usually they dont have flexibility.
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Re: SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread 

Post#858 » by KrazySixersD » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:40 pm

PhilasFinest wrote:
KrazySixersD wrote:what on earth would we plan to do with rivers if we drafted him? would we really start him at SG and turner at SF????

we would have an AWFUL perimeter defense with no rim protectors to boot....

atleast if we got ross he would probably slide rite into the starting SF role since he can hit 3's allowing turner to stay at SG... that makes more sense..

austin rivers makes no sense for this team unless he is just literally taking over lou's spot... and im not comfortable drafting a 6th man with the 15th pick


Bro. What the heck do you expect from a #15 pick? If you get a 6th man you should be happy.

People's minds are delusional if they think we're getting a superstar starter at 15. It won't happen.
There's people who arent even in the league that have been picked at 15. You take a swing at the highest potential there and hope it goes over the fence.


i expect a player that can atleast be a STARTER in this league..... ross, moultrie, leonard... all of them can start in the nba...

rivers is too small to play SG and is not a PG to play PG
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Re: SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread 

Post#859 » by The Sixer Fixer » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:41 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:good summary but we have no interest in the golden state deal because of jefferson or biedrins we do not want.

Ed Davis isnt a have to have by any means...but he has a lil upside.

Dont think Rudy Gay is viable. But I would do that if it was. I really think at this point, on June 11, one of 1, 3 or 5(in some variation) will happen. But I think its fun to have your head spinning at all the possibilities. Usually they dont have flexibility.



Hey, if nothing else, it helps us pass the time during the off-season, right? So that's good I guess. I do want to see major changes to the roster next year...sounds like that COULD happen if they move Andre, let Lou walk, let Hawes walk, amnesty Brand, bring in some draft picks and make 1 or 2 FA signings. I have a bad feeling almost everyone comes back though (except for 1 of Lou/Hawes).
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Re: SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread 

Post#860 » by KrazySixersD » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:42 pm

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KrazySixersD wrote:
sixerfan1976 wrote:to Krazy's point. Would Ray Allen want to sign here? depends what else we do. Do we have a role for him? depends what else we do.

He is better than Meeks and i still think they bring him back unfortunately(he is a doug guy, whatever that is)


ok but lets be real... ray allen is in pure ring chase mode he is NOT coming here... at all


Ring chase mode? Uh, why?...he has a ring. I don't see him as a guy who's just going to take less $$ and a reduced role just to win games.


well i disagree... we will see where he ends up, it wont be here

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