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Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12

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Would you be happy if the Raptors drafted... (check all that apply)

Harrison Barnes
154
21%
Andre Drummond
90
12%
John Henson
7
1%
Perry Jones III
63
9%
Terrence Jones
22
3%
Jeremy Lamb
159
22%
Damian Lillard
80
11%
Kendall Marshall
52
7%
Austin Rivers
59
8%
Jared Sullinger
50
7%
 
Total votes: 736

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1361 » by FluLikeSymptoms » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:46 pm

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1) Davis
2) T-Rob, or Drummond if MJ picks
3) MKG
4) Barnes
5) Beal
6) Drummond
7) PJIII
8) Waiters or Lamb


No Lillard? WTF! J/k, this draft is tough to call.

Number #2 is really the key to everything for me, because I still say there is no chance Charlotte takes any of MKG, Drummond or T-Rob. Either they trade it or reach for a shooter/scorer IMO.


You think Charlotte will take Beal or someone else? Anything is possible with MJ. I think Portland is another spot to watch for. If they take Lillard that allows another one of those big time guys to drop, then if GState goes with PJIII like I think they will yet another guy drops.


2) I think that MJ might reluctantly take Beal, yes. Bismack is their best young player and I'm not sure he's even got thumbs. They need a skill player up front, not Drummond, who is not worth the risk to them, or T-Rob who would also leave them short. Even Mullens is a better fit. If anybody sees through the MKG-Pippen comp, it's MJ. He's going to be a nice complimentary player, a transition player and defender, but there's no reason to think you couldn't pass on him for Beal if you need scoring and your franchise is on the ropes.

I doubt that MJ wants to trade right out, he's got youth but it's bench youth other than Biz. Pick swaps are tough and I don't think #2 is going to get them the scoring talent they need via trade, and if they really liked somebody up top we would know about it. They haven't even bothered to "love" somebody there as a smokescreen.

3) Washington is interesting. They might skip the bigs, too. Booker is awesome, I like him better than T-Rob, Vesely is a PF, Seraphim came on last year. They've got Nene and also that idiot Blatche, who, along with memories of McGee, might scare them off the Drummond's uncertainty though at least he's a cool guy. Maybe they go with MKG because he can keep up with Wall but again, nobody on that team can shoot and defense doesn't look to be a long-term problem. Beal and Barnes are better fits here, too.

4) Cleveland is a tough one, particularly if Beal and Barnes are gone as in the picture I've painted (by numbers). They don't need T-Rob, either, but I don't think they could pass on MKG or Drummond here. They were rumored, pre-combine, to like Lamb better than Barnes or Beal and were prepared to trade down for him with Portland, but who knows. I would say Drummond in this scenario. They passed on the higher upside last year and surely regret it. Also, Alonzo Gee is a good young player who can do a lot at 2/3 including shoot from range and defend.

5) Sacramento must be looking for a stretch big with some athleticism probably to guard 4s and help. But they'd have to take MKG if he were on the board, here. Henson really improved his range this past year, though, and I would not be surprised to see him end up shooting 3s in the NBA. Could be a great match with Cousins. PJ3 could also be in the mix.

6) Portland is another team who doesn't need T-Rob. Lillard is a reasonable pick here if they don't move up for Drummond. But they may like Leonard, also reasonable IMO.

7) GSW takes T-Rob.

We choose from Lamb, PJ3, Marshall or Harkless. I think Waiters and Rivers are bench scorers with low defensive ceilings.

So, for me, in a draft unfortunately based on need, for lack of special, trade-the-incumbent players:

2) Beal
3) Barnes
4) Drummond
5) MKG
6) Lillard
7) T-Rob
8) Lambo
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1362 » by kdizzle » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:49 pm

We should add dion waiters to the poll
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Post#1363 » by Dr Positivity » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:52 pm

I'm betting on Rich Cho and not MJ making this pick. Last year's draft for them screams Cho taking Biyombo and then once they got a second top 10 pick, MJ indulged himself and did his college star thing by taking Kemba. But Biyombo being 7 instead of Kemba would indicate to me Cho had first crack IMO
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1364 » by mappiah19 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:59 pm

But that's what makes Lamb such an intriguing prospect because when he does decide to mix up his offense he's literally almost unstoppable offensively. I think Lamb just needs someone to tell him that, so he can reel himself back in when he gets off track. It was kinda hard when Calhoun was absent for almost a month when UConn was in the process of preparing for the BET and NCAA Tournament.



+1, Undefeated. Lamb is a triple threat scorer.

He's number one on my board.
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Post#1365 » by SkywalkerAC » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:00 pm

where are the damn combine results?

also, this is a very interesting draft.
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Post#1366 » by FluLikeSymptoms » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:05 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:I'm betting on Rich Cho and not MJ making this pick. Last year's draft for them screams Cho taking Biyombo and then once they got a second top 10 pick, MJ indulged himself and did his college star thing by taking Kemba. But Biyombo being 7 instead of Kemba would indicate to me Cho had first crack IMO


Maybe, but if they're leaning on metrics Sullinger goes number 2. No?

Also, they knew that they could get either Kemba or Knight at #9 but Detroit liked Biz.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1367 » by Dr Positivity » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:19 pm

It's possible. When I hear stuff like Rich Cho saying to Charlotte essentially "I want to rebuild this thing like Oklahoma City, but you're going to have to be patient and let me rebuild this for a few years" when he got hired, it makes me think he has to be in charge of the draft.

I see CHA and CLE as the two teams who could be wild cards near the top. TRob, MKG, Beal, Barnes, Drummond's separation from the rest is sort of built on a house of cards. All have their flaws and concerns. TRob and MKG could be "just overpowered NCAA comp" guys, Beal and Barnes were actually about the 30th best shooters at their position this season and that's what their whole draft stock is built around (being deadly from 3), and Drummond is on his own planet of concerns. Rich Cho screams to me the type of GM that could pull a 2008 Russell Westbrook by having like Jeremy Lamb 2nd on his board right now and just looking for a way to trade down and get him for the most assets. And there's nobody in like the top 20 that would be a more "huh???" jump to 4th overall pick than Tristan Thompson's last year so I'd include Cleveland as unpredictable too. I could see Lamb, Leonard, Waiters, Sullinger being in the mix at 4
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1368 » by Marlo Stanfield » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:32 pm

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Post#1369 » by God Squad » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:35 pm

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1370 » by Marlo Stanfield » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:36 pm

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1371 » by Marlo Stanfield » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:41 pm

Apparently he had a 7'9" wingspan at the combine, and a near 10 foot standing reach. But he makes Jeremy Lamb look fat and doesn't dunk everything like he should, as you can see in this video.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srlSyFhzS04[/youtube]

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1372 » by Dr Positivity » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:45 pm

I think he's a 2013 guy, but probably will be a top 20 pick just from GMs gonna GM alone on uber long centers
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1373 » by Loso04 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:45 pm

I say screw trading for a sf,that damn bc is going to mortgage the future of the team for his job.
He should trade one of our bigs both 2nd round picks to noh for their #10 pick,and we'll have to take back ariza or okafor. Bottom line this team needs..........


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Post#1374 » by Dr Positivity » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:00 pm

Random note, apparently from Portland local coverage

CSNNW.com has learned the Portland Trail Blazers are high on Weber State's point guard Damian Lillard, University of Illinois' center Meyers Leonard, North Carolina's wing Harrison Barnes, and Kentucky's wing Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.
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Post#1375 » by Marlo Stanfield » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:02 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:Random note, apparently from Portland local coverage

CSNNW.com has learned the Portland Trail Blazers are high on Weber State's point guard Damian Lillard, University of Illinois' center Meyers Leonard, North Carolina's wing Harrison Barnes, and Kentucky's wing Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.


I have to officially change my board and put Lillard at 6 to PDX
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1376 » by HolyMage110 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:10 pm

i really liked waiters throughout the season
but idk
seeing him through the draft combine makes me think that he acts really pre mature
cancelling his worksouts and stuff
hopefully barnes somehow falls to us :D
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1377 » by niQ » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:14 pm

Loso04 wrote:I say screw trading for a sf,that damn bc is going to mortgage the future of the team for his job.
He should trade one of our bigs both 2nd round picks to noh for their #10 pick,and we'll have to take back ariza or okafor. Bottom line this team needs..........


TALENT


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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1378 » by Kreamy » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:31 pm

I think Davis, Gilchrist, Beal, Drummond, Barnes, Robinson and Lillard comprise the top talent of the draft. Everything gets murky after that. Really wish we ended up with the 6th or 7th pick. Let's hope one of those guys drops or else we'll be picking one of Waiters, Rivers, Sullinger, Lamb or PJ III. Guys that all have red flags and/or major concerns surrounding them.
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Post#1379 » by JamesNaismith » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:59 pm

Kreamy wrote:I think Davis, Gilchrist, Beal, Drummond, Barnes, Robinson and Lillard comprise the top talent of the draft. Everything gets murky after that. Really wish we ended up with the 6th or 7th pick. Let's hope one of those guys drops or else we'll be picking one of Waiters, Rivers, Sullinger, Lamb or PJ III. Guys that all have red flags and/or major concerns surrounding them.


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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12 

Post#1380 » by fredericklove » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:05 pm

Marlo Stanfield wrote:
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Pj3?


Yup


Freak of nature athleticism and rare skillset wasted on this guy. :(

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