P. Jones IV

[Dr Positivity]

I think it's clear though that Leonard is going ahead of him. I like PJIII but him being mocked above Leonard never made sense. The size and post/defensive C potential + the fact that Leonard was better in like every single stat this year, it's pretty clear that's what wins out in the draft. Drummond vs Leonard is a toss up but both are going ahead of PJIII

[fredericklove]

Well I'm in the Jones camp. If he played somewhere else besides Baylor, like Louisville or Illinois where he could play for a competent coach and still be the star of the team, then we probably would be arguing over whether or not he is the #1 pick or not.

Dude is legit. Baylor just hindered him.

Its his own soft mentality that hindered him.

[crazybranman360]

Well I'm in the Jones camp. If he played somewhere else besides Baylor, like Louisville or Illinois where he could play for a competent coach and still be the star of the team, then we probably would be arguing over whether or not he is the #1 pick or not.

Dude is legit. Baylor just hindered him.

Its his own soft mentality that hindered him.

Why can't it be a combination of both? Yes Perry Jones was in a terrible situation at Baylor but at the same time he should have been more aggressive. But what people don't understand is why he wasn't aggressive. They call him "soft" or say that he has "no passion for the game".

His reasoning was that he felt that he had a lot of good players around him and that if he wasn't playing perticularly well that he was better off deffering to his teammates to help his team win.

Call that whatever you want but its something that can be easily fixed with the right coach + teammates around him.

He doesn't have that over-competivness or killer instinct that a STAR player needs to have but if you believe in his talent (which I do) there's no reason to think that he can't be a top 30 player in this league

[crazybranman360]

I think it's clear though that Leonard is going ahead of him. I like PJIII but him being mocked above Leonard never made sense. The size and post/defensive C potential + the fact that Leonard was better in like every single stat this year, it's pretty clear that's what wins out in the draft. Drummond vs Leonard is a toss up but both are going ahead of PJIII

I don't think thats clear at all. Is Meyers the better prospect? Maybe but what if a team needs a SF more than a Center?

its all about team need.

[DayofMourning]

I think it's clear though that Leonard is going ahead of him. I like PJIII but him being mocked above Leonard never made sense. The size and post/defensive C potential + the fact that Leonard was better in like every single stat this year, it's pretty clear that's what wins out in the draft. Drummond vs Leonard is a toss up but both are going ahead of PJIII

I don't think thats clear at all. Is Meyers the better prospect? Maybe but what if a team needs a SF more than a Center?

its all about team need.

I think that most teams need a center. Even if they had a center I'd still say take a center over a small forward. You'll win a lot more games with a reliable center than with a guy like Jones.

[TheToothFairy]

tyrus thomas is the worst comparison i've read of p jones and just shows you should not speak of him.

Not really in styles of play but expectations and being a tweener.

So yes, PJ3 reminds me of Tyrus Thomas

[TheToothFairy]

Reminds me of Darius Miles and Tyrus Thomas

Thomas was at least a shot blocker and disruptor. I'm not really sure what Jones III does in the NBA outside of an occasional lob.

I think he will be a under achiever like Thomas

[Charsace]

The Perry Jones hype has gotten out of hand. The guy doesn't have a position. And its not because he has a variety of good skills. He handles the ball like most big men, Can't shoot outside of 12 feet, no post game, mediocre help defender and man/post defender in college, terrible shot blocker and didn't seem to care in any of the games I saw, this includes tourney games. People like to talk about how he was misused at baylor as a scorer, but when he tried to iso he looked bad like most big men and his lack of rebounding and defense can't be blamed on his teammates. The kid just isn't a good basketball player.

[crazybranman360]

The Perry Jones hype has gotten out of hand. The guy doesn't have a position. And its not because he has a variety of good skills. He handles the ball like most big men, Can't shoot outside of 12 feet, no post game, mediocre help defender and man/post defender in college, terrible shot blocker and didn't seem to care in any of the games I saw, this includes tourney games. People like to talk about how he was misused at baylor as a scorer, but when he tried to iso he looked bad like most big men and his lack of rebounding and defense can't be blamed on his teammates. The kid just isn't a good basketball player.

He was the 2nd leading scorer, leading rebounder, and shot 50% from the field on a division I basketball team that went to the elite 8.

This notion that he doesn't care about basketball + he wasn't a productive player at Baylor is just wrong.

Did he underperform? Of course.
But was he "not a good basketball player"? NO

[Charsace]

The Perry Jones hype has gotten out of hand. The guy doesn't have a position. And its not because he has a variety of good skills. He handles the ball like most big men, Can't shoot outside of 12 feet, no post game, mediocre help defender and man/post defender in college, terrible shot blocker and didn't seem to care in any of the games I saw, this includes tourney games. People like to talk about how he was misused at baylor as a scorer, but when he tried to iso he looked bad like most big men and his lack of rebounding and defense can't be blamed on his teammates. The kid just isn't a good basketball player.

He was the 2nd leading scorer, leading rebounder, and shot 50% from the field on a division I basketball team that went to the elite 8.

This notion that he doesn't care about basketball + he wasn't a productive player at Baylor is just wrong.

Did he underperform? Of course.
But was he "not a good basketball player"? NO

He's not a good basketball player. You can save my post if you want and call me on it if he's ever a good player. He produced those mediocre numbers because he was just physically superior to everyone he matched up with. He won't be able to get by on that in the NBA.

[Little Digger]

The Jones Gang and Zeller worked out in Oakland today, according to sources, Zeller was the only one who looked good.

[Wone]

The Perry Jones hype has gotten out of hand. The guy doesn't have a position. And its not because he has a variety of good skills. He handles the ball like most big men, Can't shoot outside of 12 feet, no post game, mediocre help defender and man/post defender in college, terrible shot blocker and didn't seem to care in any of the games I saw, this includes tourney games. People like to talk about how he was misused at baylor as a scorer, but when he tried to iso he looked bad like most big men and his lack of rebounding and defense can't be blamed on his teammates. The kid just isn't a good basketball player.

He was the 2nd leading scorer, leading rebounder, and shot 50% from the field on a division I basketball team that went to the elite 8.

This notion that he doesn't care about basketball + he wasn't a productive player at Baylor is just wrong.

Did he underperform? Of course.
But was he "not a good basketball player"? NO

He's not a good basketball player. You can save my post if you want and call me on it if he's ever a good player. He produced those mediocre numbers because he was just physically superior to everyone he matched up with. He won't be able to get by on that in the NBA.

you don't know what you're talking about, he has tons of basketball skills. saying he's like most big men just shows you're talking out of your behind. and since when did college numbers mean ish? vince carter's hardly looked impressive and look how he turned out...a 7 time all star. if college numbers meant anything we'd see a lot more nba stars simply because they were great college ballers.

[DayofMourning]

The Jones Gang and Zeller worked out in Oakland today, according to sources, Zeller was the only one who looked good.

Polar opposites as far as players go. Zeller is the hard working, fundamentally skilled ball player that you want out of your draft pick. Whoever drafts him will not regret it. PJ3 on the other hand....

[crazybranman360]

The Perry Jones hype has gotten out of hand. The guy doesn't have a position. And its not because he has a variety of good skills. He handles the ball like most big men, Can't shoot outside of 12 feet, no post game, mediocre help defender and man/post defender in college, terrible shot blocker and didn't seem to care in any of the games I saw, this includes tourney games. People like to talk about how he was misused at baylor as a scorer, but when he tried to iso he looked bad like most big men and his lack of rebounding and defense can't be blamed on his teammates. The kid just isn't a good basketball player.

He was the 2nd leading scorer, leading rebounder, and shot 50% from the field on a division I basketball team that went to the elite 8.

This notion that he doesn't care about basketball + he wasn't a productive player at Baylor is just wrong.

Did he underperform? Of course.
But was he "not a good basketball player"? NO

He's not a good basketball player. You can save my post if you want and call me on it if he's ever a good player. He produced those mediocre numbers because he was just physically superior to everyone he matched up with. He won't be able to get by on that in the NBA.

now I really know you didn't watch him. All athlete? really? Not skilled? smh

[Wone]

The Jones Gang and Zeller worked out in Oakland today, according to sources, Zeller was the only one who looked good.

Polar opposites as far as players go. Zeller is the hard working, fundamentally skilled ball player that you want out of your draft pick. Whoever drafts him will not regret it. PJ3 on the other hand....

perry jones has skill...

some of you obviously have no clue what you're talking about acting like perry jones is another tyrus thomas, all athlete and no skill. perry jones is very skilled. he'll easily be a better player than luke zeller or whatever his name is.

[DayofMourning]

The Jones Gang and Zeller worked out in Oakland today, according to sources, Zeller was the only one who looked good.

Polar opposites as far as players go. Zeller is the hard working, fundamentally skilled ball player that you want out of your draft pick. Whoever drafts him will not regret it. PJ3 on the other hand....

perry jones has skill...

some of you obviously have no clue what you're talking about acting like perry jones is another tyrus thomas, all athlete and no skill. perry jones is very skilled. he'll easily be a better player than luke zeller or whatever his name is.

So what position does PJ3 play in the pros? And what skills does he have that fit that position? This argument isn't that he doesn't know how to do anything, but that he lacks the skills of a defined position and, most importantly, the intangibles that make long term NBA pros.

[EvanZ]

The Jones Gang and Zeller worked out in Oakland today, according to sources, Zeller was the only one who looked good.

Polar opposites as far as players go. Zeller is the hard working, fundamentally skilled ball player that you want out of your draft pick. Whoever drafts him will not regret it. PJ3 on the other hand....

Zeller's the guy you want if you're drafting in the late teens, early 20's. His 8'8" reach is just woeful for a center. Maybe his offense can overcome that. His floor is higher than other picks because you already know what you're getting. But he has like a 3-ft ceiling.

[DayofMourning]

The Jones Gang and Zeller worked out in Oakland today, according to sources, Zeller was the only one who looked good.

Polar opposites as far as players go. Zeller is the hard working, fundamentally skilled ball player that you want out of your draft pick. Whoever drafts him will not regret it. PJ3 on the other hand....

Zeller's the guy you want if you're drafting in the late teens, early 20's. His 8'8" reach is just woeful for a center. Maybe his offense can overcome that. His floor is higher than other picks because you already know what you're getting. But he has like a 3-ft ceiling.

I should definitely interject that I don't expect Zeller to be a superstar, but he'll be a guy who earns his minutes and is a core contributor to a good team.

[need4detroit]

I think PJIII can go either way but some of you sound very ignorant to say he's not skilled. Anyways, if he does end up becoming very good, some of you will look extremely dumb.

[Ayt]

tyrus thomas is the worst comparison i've read of p jones and just shows you should not speak of him.

Not really in styles of play but expectations and being a tweener.

So yes, PJ3 reminds me of Tyrus Thomas

A Tyrus Thomas who can't rebound or block shots? TT was an exceptional shot blocker and an exceptional rebounder in college. PJ3 is exceptional at nothing on the basketball court at the collegiate level.