a guy that could shoot 70% from half court and beyond

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Re: a guy that could shoot 70% from half court and beyond 

Post#41 » by TheUroborosWorm » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:52 pm

Well, i was so bored that i read all the answers in this thread, and yup, ALL of the NBA players are waaaaay above your highest standards athletes, if the guy is unable to get open of a single NBA defender wouldn't matter even if he was a 100% halfcourt shooter.

Let's iamgine another dumb scenario: 2 kids coming from college... a 7'7" ultraskinny loooong armed giant who can shoot 50% in game 3s over 95% of the nba players but cannot play inside because his frame makes him unable to... and a secret son of Dennis Rodman who is the exact clone of his father... come to the draft... which one you choose and why?
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Re: a guy that could shoot 70% from half court and beyond 

Post#42 » by CrazyB0y » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:01 am

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-Kees- wrote:He would pretty much be GOAT. No one has ever shot 70% from three and if he did it there would be no questions that he would have the biggest impact on the game.


There's a few players out there that could hit at least 70% from 3 in the gym...

The problem is many of them can't average 35% in a game...

A guy like the one described probably couldn't 'average 70% from half court' in a game... In order to do that, you'd have to be elite in some physical way... Strength, quickness, verticle... Something... Because otherwise, you're just not getting too many shots off in the NBA unless you were wide open... And that wouldn't happen very often if you started hitting those shots.


Actually i think a lot of guys could easily hit 70% of 3 pointers in practice if they are just shooting with no defense. I remember watching an interview of Dirk last season during a practice and you could see Peja hit like 12 3s in a row. I bet guys like him, Ray Allen, Novak, Korver, etc.... could all hit over 70% of 3s with no defense

I remember that interview as well and I was amazed how little media buzz Pejas shooting got while the interviewer talked to somebody else.

however he hit 15 in a row in just 1(!) set (5x3)... his streak continued into the 2nd set but I don't know how much he hit there. an educated guess would be 20 in a row.

that was an outlier thought.
on some page they had practice videos(5-10 minutes) of Peja and Dirk and they usually hit 10 in a row on average.
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Re: a guy that could shoot 70% from half court and beyond 

Post#43 » by nykballa2k4 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:04 am

Honestly, his impact would be tied to his athleticism. He could be used to tire out defender, run them off screens, create switches thus getting elite defenders off of his teams best player and onto him. However, he would likely tire himself out an lose his effectiveness.
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Re: a guy that could shoot 70% from half court and beyond 

Post#44 » by KyletheDingbat » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:14 am

According to the rules of this thread, GOAT. He WILL shoot 70% regardless, so all he needs to do is launch the ball from wherever. Inbound it to him anywhere, let him heave and you win every single game. No defense in the world for that. No NBA player could block my shot, even if he was trying his hardest, if I could just flail the ball up there any time, any way.
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Re: a guy that could shoot 70% from half court and beyond 

Post#45 » by arifgokcen » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:24 am

Tave wrote:I think some of you aren't thinking this through. If he's too short and slow and can't handle the ball, it won't matter how good he can shoot, because he'll never get a clear look. Teams won't have to double him, they would just stick a single man on him and tell the defender, "Don't worry about help defense. Don't do anything but guard this guy. Never leave him open."

Screens won't work because the defense would just switch.

Now, that's not to say he wouldn't score or provide us with some entertainment, but I don't think it's the panacea y'all are making it out to be.

Look at how hard a Ray Allen or Reggie Miller had to work to find open looks throughout their careers. My guess is they make 7 out of 10 of their 3 pointers in practice. But they can't maintain that over multiple games because teams don't leave them that much space. They are constantly in motion, constantly running around double screens, constantly making cuts, and more often than not they still don't get a wide open look. They're forced to elevate over the defender and shoot blindly with a hand in their face. And that's with the benefit of a 24 second shot clock. Y'all are talking about trying to run backcourt sets for a some average Joe in 8 seconds or less.


Elite 3pt shooters like allen and miller generally makes 85-90%+ in practice.
70% is a very low number for a guy like allen and miller.Heck back in college and high school i used to make 70% of may 3pt while playing by myself.
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Re: a guy that could shoot 70% from half court and beyond 

Post#46 » by ERRDAY3 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:30 am

arifgokcen wrote:
Tave wrote:I think some of you aren't thinking this through. If he's too short and slow and can't handle the ball, it won't matter how good he can shoot, because he'll never get a clear look. Teams won't have to double him, they would just stick a single man on him and tell the defender, "Don't worry about help defense. Don't do anything but guard this guy. Never leave him open."

Screens won't work because the defense would just switch.

Now, that's not to say he wouldn't score or provide us with some entertainment, but I don't think it's the panacea y'all are making it out to be.

Look at how hard a Ray Allen or Reggie Miller had to work to find open looks throughout their careers. My guess is they make 7 out of 10 of their 3 pointers in practice. But they can't maintain that over multiple games because teams don't leave them that much space. They are constantly in motion, constantly running around double screens, constantly making cuts, and more often than not they still don't get a wide open look. They're forced to elevate over the defender and shoot blindly with a hand in their face. And that's with the benefit of a 24 second shot clock. Y'all are talking about trying to run backcourt sets for a some average Joe in 8 seconds or less.


Elite 3pt shooters like allen and miller generally makes 85-90%+ in practice.
70% is a very low number for a guy like allen and miller.Heck back in college and high school i used to make 70% of may 3pt while playing by myself.

70% in a game tho so in practice wide open he takes like 1000 half court shots he hits 995 of them
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Re: a guy that could shoot 70% from half court and beyond 

Post#47 » by ERRDAY3 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:34 am

he probably hits 40-50% if its a highly contested shot that doesn't get blocked maybe 35% highly contested off balance maybe coming off a screen 60%
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Re: a guy that could shoot 70% from half court and beyond 

Post#48 » by AmerigoCorleone » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:37 am

ERRDAY3 wrote:he probably hits 40-50% if its a highly contested shot that doesn't get blocked maybe 35% highly contested off balance maybe coming off a screen 60%


Then he's a scrub.

EDIT: Maybe not.
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Post#49 » by wilhelmthe1st » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:38 am

ERRDAY3 wrote:he probably hits 40-50% if its a highly contested shot that doesn't get blocked maybe 35% highly contested off balance maybe coming off a screen 60%


So to keep the average of 70% then he has to hit like 80-90% of his decent looks.


GOAT.

Doesn't matter if he can't play D, he could just always play tight so his defender can't shoot and they blow by him into help defense. Even if his man scored 10/10 contested layups, that's 20 points. This dude jacks 10 half courts right after, makes 7 and that's 21 points. GOAT.
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Re: a guy that could shoot 70% from half court and beyond 

Post#50 » by Kampuchea » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:43 am

sounds like Steve Novak but better. Novak is below average at everything besides shooting an open 3, but his range doesnt go back to half court
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Re: a guy that could shoot 70% from half court and beyond 

Post#51 » by 28reloaded » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:09 am

If the guy can get his shot off no matter the defense, and it doesn't effect his 70%, then the guy is quite easily the GOAT. He should average at least 100 points per game. You're talking about a guy with an eFG% of 105%. Even if he is an absolute garbage FT shooter, his impact would be out of this world because the other team would be in the penalty in the first minute of every game after intentionally putting him on the line.

Defense doesn't matter with his eFG% because no team is coming close to matching that even playing 5 on 4 in the league.

Hell I will go one further, if he can get his shot off no matter what, then he could probably beat any NBA team 1 on 5 as long as he gets a free inbound.
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Re: a guy that could shoot 70% from half court and beyond 

Post#52 » by Th3RaptorSwag » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:25 am

The media buzz around this kind of guy would be insane. GOAT and highest paid player.
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Re: a guy that could shoot 70% from half court and beyond 

Post#53 » by 28reloaded » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:30 am

Th3RaptorSwag wrote:The media buzz around this kind of guy would be insane. GOAT and highest paid player.


It would actually kill the sport eventually. Once he retired the entire league would be seen as a mockery
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Re: a guy that could shoot 70% from half court and beyond 

Post#54 » by Captin Planit » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:50 am

The thought of a dumpy short guy hawking full-court shots with no hesitation and making 70% of them through tough defense makes me sad because it doesn't exist. But if he did, he would be the GOAT in half a season.
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Re: a guy that could shoot 70% from half court and beyond 

Post#55 » by Above The Rim » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:51 am

It all depends how "below average" this guy is at everything else. If he's just below average by nba standards at dribbling, getting open, etc, he'd likely be able to get his shot off (most of the time) as he has so much space to run around and get free. He would be GOAT even if he gives up a lot of points on D. If you're saying he's terrible at everything else, then his shot would get blocked every time and it'd be 4 on 5 defense. Huge differences.
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Re: a guy that could shoot 70% from half court and beyond 

Post#56 » by Gus McCrae » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:00 am

Are we talking about The Jimmer?
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Re: a guy that could shoot 70% from half court and beyond 

Post#57 » by Sky_Knicks » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:07 am

ERRDAY3 wrote:I wanna make this clear he can shoot 70% in a game so lets say he averaged that during high school or college. Also he is below average every other way by NBA standards but if you bring him closer than half court he becomes a average shooter

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Re: a guy that could shoot 70% from half court and beyond 

Post#58 » by FlipTSO » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:07 am

I think OP is 5'8", has no game at all, but got lucky and sank 2 out of 3 halfcourt attempts, and now wonders if he has a chance in the NBA....lol
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Re: a guy that could shoot 70% from half court and beyond 

Post#59 » by sonicFLAME6 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:13 am

FlipTSO wrote:I think OP is 5'8", has no game at all, but got lucky and sank 2 out of 3 halfcourt attempts, and now wonders if he has a chance in the NBA....lol


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Re: a guy that could shoot 70% from half court and beyond 

Post#60 » by Th3RaptorSwag » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:18 am

sonicFLAME6 wrote:
FlipTSO wrote:I think OP is 5'8", has no game at all, but got lucky and sank 2 out of 3 halfcourt attempts, and now wonders if he has a chance in the NBA....lol


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