SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

LongLiveHinkie · Post #981 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:13 pm

I don't think it will happen either, but I'm never one to play buzzkill. They are in a position to do it. It just comes down to whether or not both guys want to come here. That's better than not having the money to get Deron or the trade assets to get Howard, which would make it really impossible.

In a league where stars win, I have nothing against fans dreaming big.

sixerfan1976 · Post #982 » by **sixerfan1976** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:13 pm

agree deron and howard not happening(but we will try for deron)

NinaC · Post #983 » by **NinaC** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:25 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:i can tell you they are not delusional about this playoff run. If anything, the playoff run exploited their weaknesses along the way.

Sixerfan, If the new FO is not delusional about the playoff run, then what is the rationale behind an Iggy trade for aging/expiring BIGS like Gasol or Al Jefferson who can't be imagined as long-term building blocks? You've said they aren't in favor of moving him for a draft pick per say, but it sounds like they'd be willing to take him for salary relief and a temporary partial fix in the front court for next year. Do they have a plan based on more than this year's performance that you know of???

sixerfan1976 · Post #984 » by **sixerfan1976** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:05 pm

Plan as i know it is to add a scorer(preferably a shooter and not a slasher) and a big man who can score the ball, rebound and block a few shots. They believe they can get two impact players like that if they play their cards right.

They dont think they are inches away from a perennial conference finalist because thats what happened this year. They are well aware that things had to fall right for them to do that this year. I think some people on this board are valueing Iguodala more than he is actually worth to be honest. Front office wants to take the next step in a win now approach and not a rebuild approach. You can criticize the philosophy if you want..but that seems to be the approach.

Typeical · Post #985 » by **Typeical** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:15 pm

Whats the likelihood of the sixers trying to trade up to get Andre Drummond versus trading Iggy for a Vet like Pau Gasol?

sixerfan1976 · Post #986 » by **sixerfan1976** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:18 pm

Typeical wrote:Whats the likelihood of the sixers trying to trade up to get Andre Drummond versus trading Iggy for a Vet like Pau Gasol?

I am not believing the drummond talk at all to be honest. I think Gasol or Jefferson will be a Sixer personally unless some other team comes calling with better. My bigger question is..how do we get our shooter? Not sure a good shooter in draft is enough. Basically what can we get with a Brand amnesty to give us a scorer. From what I hear Eric Gordon they are really scared about him due to his knee.

jdimaggio555 · Post #987 » by **jdimaggio555** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:18 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:Plan as i know it is to add a scorer(preferably a shooter and not a slasher) and a big man who can score the ball, rebound and block a few shots. They believe they can get two impact players like that if they play their cards right.

They dont think they are inches away from a perennial conference finalist because thats what happened this year. They are well aware that things had to fall right for them to do that this year. I think some people on this board are valueing Iguodala more than he is actually worth to be honest. Front office wants to take the next step in a win now approach and not a rebuild approach. You can criticize the philosophy if you want..but that seems to be the approach.

Sixerfan,

Your recent posts suggest that the sixers like Ross better than Rivers. Where do they rank Lamb with regards to Ross, Rivers, and Weiters? Also, who do they like the best out of the big men that may be available: Moultrie, Hensen, Leonard, Sullinger, Jones, Zeller?

sixerfan1976 · Post #988 » by **sixerfan1976** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:21 pm

jdimaggio555 wrote:
sixerfan1976 wrote:Plan as i know it is to add a scorer(preferably a shooter and not a slasher) and a big man who can score the ball, rebound and block a few shots. They believe they can get two impact players like that if they play their cards right.

They dont think they are inches away from a perennial conference finalist because thats what happened this year. They are well aware that things had to fall right for them to do that this year. I think some people on this board are valueing Iguodala more than he is actually worth to be honest. Front office wants to take the next step in a win now approach and not a rebuild approach. You can criticize the philosophy if you want..but that seems to be the approach.

Sixerfan,

Your recent posts suggest that the sixers like Ross better than Rivers. Where do they rank Lamb with regards to Ross, Rivers, and Weiters? Also, who do they like the best out of the big men that may be available: Moultrie, Hensen, Leonard, Sullinger, Jones, Zeller?

Not sure about Lamb. Havent heard his name..but they like Waiters, Ross and Rivers in that order.

As for big men.....only one I know they like alot is Leonard. The others I am unsure either way.

NinaC · Post #989 » by **NinaC** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:22 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:Plan as i know it is to add a scorer(preferably a shooter and not a slasher) and a big man who can score the ball, rebound and block a few shots. They believe they can get two impact players like that if they play their cards right.

They dont think they are inches away from a perennial conference finalist because thats what happened this year. They are well aware that things had to fall right for them to do that this year. I think some people on this board are valueing Iguodala more than he is actually worth to be honest. Front office wants to take the next step in a win now approach and not a rebuild approach. You can criticize the philosophy if you want..but that seems to be the approach.

Thanks for the info...."win now and not a rebuild approach".....I personally never overvalue Iggy, but it does seem like he'd be part of the lateral win now...go for the 7th seed approach if that's the road they're going to continue down....disappointing seeing as how poorly that plan has worked post Iverson.

sixerfan1976 · Post #990 » by **sixerfan1976** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:26 pm

They definitely see Iguodala as an asset to fill one of their two holes(scorer, big man). Brand amnesty is the other. If Lou walks you have a third hole tho too. They have work to do. I am excited to see what happens. Wish it was draft day/July free agency alot sooner

The Sixer Fixer · Post #991 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:27 pm

SF - any idea on who they are going to be bringing in for workout. I saw Henson/Zeller and a third guy (maybe Moultie) were scheduled to come in at some point.

Gsraider · Post #992 » by **Gsraider** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:33 pm

Thanks Sixerfan. Any idea as to which guy they prefer, Jefferson or Gasol (age and contract considered)? Also, do they like Leonard as a possible 15th pick? I realize that he's moving up draft boards, but that's pretty high and that would give them two developmental projects at C.

Disappointing that they are so scared of Gordon's knee. I thought it was more scope type work than reconstruction.

sixerfan1976 · Post #993 » by **sixerfan1976** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:38 pm

sounds like they would be happy with either Al or Pau. Dont discount watson either..he would be a rotation guy for sure.

I think if they add Pau or Jefferson before draft that get a wing guy like Ross or Rivers. I could see them going big absent of a trade before teh draft. Leonard maybe...Moultre....zeller......henson. Not sure if any of them would be around. OR whoever they have as best available. I dont know of severity of interest in many of those guys yet

phiphan · Post #994 » by **phiphan** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:38 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:My bigger question is..how do we get our shooter? Not sure a good shooter in draft is enough. Basically what can we get with a Brand amnesty to give us a scorer. From what I hear Eric Gordon they are really scared about him due to his knee.

Ray Allen's around. Not necessarily a scorer, and he crapped the bed in the playoffs, but the guy can shoot.

Typeical · Post #995 » by **Typeical** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:39 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:
Typeical wrote:Whats the likelihood of the sixers trying to trade up to get Andre Drummond versus trading Iggy for a Vet like Pau Gasol?

I am not believing the drummond talk at all to be honest. I think Gasol or Jefferson will be a Sixer personally unless some other team comes calling with better. My bigger question is..how do we get our shooter? Not sure a good shooter in draft is enough. Basically what can we get with a Brand amnesty to give us a scorer. From what I hear Eric Gordon they are really scared about him due to his knee.

I wish I would of never heard that rumor, it got me excited about future posibilities. Andre Drummond would have been a perfect fit going forward with Jrue/Turner. I also think he could start right away for this team, of course we wont be as good because he's raw without the scoring ability of Gasol or Jefferson but I think we would still be a competitive team (defense/athletic) with a brighter future. We could amnesty Brand sign a shooter like CJ Miles, Gerald Green, Deshawn Stevenson, Von Wafer, Steve Novak, Rasul Butler. All of those guys are cheap which would leave us with enough to resign Spencer Hawes for Insurance..?

mybestfiend · Post #996 » by **mybestfiend** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:40 pm

I would love DeShawn Stevenson. Defense and 3s, perfect role player.

sixerfan1976 · Post #997 » by **sixerfan1976** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:41 pm

They do like Gerald Green.

I dont think spencer returns unless they complete strike out on other transactions.

NinaC · Post #998 » by **NinaC** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:41 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:They definitely see Iguodala as an asset to fill one of their two holes(scorer, big man). Brand amnesty is the other. If Lou walks you have a third hole tho too. They have work to do. I am excited to see what happens. Wish it was draft day/July free agency alot sooner

It sounds as though the draft is not going to be used to fill a position of need. Doug's had enough rookie play. Are they intending to go with BPA or do they prefer a guard or a big at #15?

Iggy and Brand replacements=shooter, rebounding-shot-blocking-scoring BIG...still unclear on their long-term view/plan for a slow plodding scoring BIG with an expiring contract. Doug Collins did say that they needed athletic bigs....that's not Al Jefferson is it?

sixerfan1976 · Post #999 » by **sixerfan1976** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:49 pm

their draft board is far from set. I just know guys they like. More likely a swing guy if they add a big tho via trade first.

Position of need starter at 15 probably isnt realistic...they could grab their first guard off bench at 15 tho.

If Al is your PF...then they want an agile center I suppose. If he is your center than maybe a quicker PF.

Me personally....some days I want Al over Pau..some days the opposite.

either is good compensation for Iguodala. I am a believer that you have to let Turner play and he cant fully do what he does best with Andre still here. Plus the achilles is always gonna hinder Andre. Get something now while you can and his value wont be higher.

NinaC · Post #1000 » by **NinaC** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:57 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:their draft board is far from set. I just know guys they like. More likely a swing guy if they add a big tho via trade first.

Position of need starter at 15 probably isnt realistic...they could grab their first guard off bench at 15 tho.

If Al is your PF...then they want an agile center I suppose. If he is your center than maybe a quicker PF.

Me personally....some days I want Al over Pau..some days the opposite.

either is good compensation for Iguodala. I am a believer that you have to let Turner play and he cant fully do what he does best with Andre still here. Plus the achilles is always gonna hinder Andre. Get something now while you can and his value wont be higher.

Well sounds like Iggy and Brand are supposed to buy a shooter, starting PF and starting center (?) and that Lou's replacement is likely the #15..and here I was wasting my time getting excited about getting the #8 from Toronto...stockpiling assets like the new Portland GM plans to do.