1st rd pick general discussion #2 overall (Poll Added)

[countryboi]

Portland fan here.

I only read 20 of the 77 pages in this thread. Sorry if I missed something or repeating an idea.

A Charlotte/Portland trade makes the most sense from this side. The Cleveland rumors better be false. I have zero interest in their trade idea.

No bad blood with Cho on Portland’s side. I really liked him as our GM and thought he was doing a great job, and he was. It was more of a personality conflict with our hands on owner. I am sure our new GM will work with Cho, if Cho will work with him? BTW, Cho’s ideas were correct, and our owner’s ideas were wrong.

I doubt Portland’s new GM will trade both #6 & #11 for your #2. This trade does not fit his agenda.

Here is one trade idea being floated between Portland fans. #2 and Tyrus Thomas (unloading a horrible contract saving $26+ million) traded for starting SG Wesley Mathews and #11. There is a good chance one or more of these bigs will be available @ #11: Zeller, Leonard, Sullinger, Henson, and Moultrie.

You improve at SG, pick up big, and dump a bad contract for #2.

We need assets we are just too awful to be at this point of dumping contracts for picks..

[captaincrunk]

we've had 135 votes on this poll. that's a ton for us

[BigSlam]

I do not believe there is any trade we can make with Charlotte that would include both #6 & #11.

If you guys are serious about making a trade with Portland, you will need to give up asking for both picks. It is not going to happen.

As far as including second round picks, no problem. We also have this years #40 & #41 picks, in play to sweeten a deal. Cho probably could also ask for $3 million in cash. Not sure he would get it, but if I was him, I would ask.

I do not believe there is any trade we can make with Portland that would include #2.

If you guys are serious about making a trade with Charlotte, you will need to give up asking for the 2nd overall pick unless you include the #6 & #11 or at least the #6 and taking Tyrus. It is not going to happen.

[captaincrunk]

yep. to be honest it's pretty insulting.

[debo23]

Portland fan here...

[Stun704]

yeah I don't understand how T-Rob is 1A is Barnes is the second best prospect (after Davis, of course).

Sometimes you have to consider the source.

Word.. Harrison Barnes is bigger, more athletic and is a better defender then Beal, they both struggle to create their own shot except Barnes will create bigger matchup problems if he puts it all together then beal ever could. to put it into perspective Barnes is close if not the same size as Lebron (height wise). How exactly is Beal a better prospect?
1) Anthony Davis
2) Thomas Robinson/Harrison Barnes

[Liver_Pooty]

yeah I don't understand how T-Rob is 1A is Barnes is the second best prospect (after Davis, of course).

Sometimes you have to consider the source.

Word.. Harrison Barnes is bigger, more athletic and is a better defender then Beal, they both struggle to create their own shot except Barnes will create bigger matchup problems if he puts it all together then beal ever could. to put it into perspective Barnes is close if not the same size as Lebron (height wise). How exactly is Beal a better prospect?
1) Anthony Davis
2) Thomas Robinson/Harrison Barnes

Thank God you aren't our GM if you have Barnes anywhere near the discussion of the second pick.

[Stun704]

Sometimes you have to consider the source.

Word.. Harrison Barnes is bigger, more athletic and is a better defender then Beal, they both struggle to create their own shot except Barnes will create bigger matchup problems if he puts it all together then beal ever could. to put it into perspective Barnes is close if not the same size as Lebron (height wise). How exactly is Beal a better prospect?
1) Anthony Davis
2) Thomas Robinson/Harrison Barnes

Thank God you aren't our GM if you have Barnes anywhere near the discussion of the second pick.

Actually I would be a great GM. I bet you Barnes will be at the very least the 3rd best player from this draft once we look back in 10 years. Just because "scouts" say he shouldn't be taken @ #2 won't mean he isn't the second best player. Scouts also thought Monta Ellis was a 2nd round talent and Kwame was better then Pau Gasol. I apologize for being able to look outside of the box

[Liver_Pooty]

Sometimes you have to consider the source. [/quote]
Word.. Harrison Barnes is bigger, more athletic and is a better defender then Beal, they both struggle to create their own shot except Barnes will create bigger matchup problems if he puts it all together then beal ever could. to put it into perspective Barnes is close if not the same size as Lebron (height wise). How exactly is Beal a better prospect?
1) Anthony Davis
2) Thomas Robinson/Harrison Barnes[/quote]

Thank God you aren't our GM if you have Barnes anywhere near the discussion of the second pick.[/quote]Actually I would be a great GM. I bet you Barnes will be at the very least the 3rd best player from this draft once we look back in 10 years. Just because "scouts" say he shouldn't be taken @ #2 won't mean he isn't the second best player. Scouts also thought Monta Ellis was a 2nd round talent and Kwame was better then Pau Gasol. I apologize for being able to look outside of the box[/quote]

Lol. Bet all you want. Just because those "scouts" actually do this for a living I think I will take their word for it over yours. Players like Arenas are rather rare, and even he tried to pull an terrorist attack in his locker room.

Yeah, I think Ill stick with the scouts.

[Rich4114]

I'd love to dump TT but that isn't enough for me to give up the 2nd pick.

2, TT, Portland 2013 for 6, 11 future 2nd?

I do not believe there is any trade we can make with Charlotte that would include both #6 & #11.

If you guys are serious about making a trade with Portland, you will need to give up asking for both picks. It is not going to happen.

As far as including second round picks, no problem. We also have this years #40 & #41 picks, in play to sweeten a deal. Cho probably could also ask for $3 million in cash. Not sure he would get it, but if I was him, I would ask.

This reminds me of when Portland wanted two lottery picks for the #3rd pick in 2005. Seemed like it was reasonable to trade #3 for #5 and #13 but now it's not reasonable to trade #2 for #6 and #11? Ok then.

[Stun704]

Sometimes you have to consider the source.

Word.. Harrison Barnes is bigger, more athletic and is a better defender then Beal, they both struggle to create their own shot except Barnes will create bigger matchup problems if he puts it all together then beal ever could. to put it into perspective Barnes is close if not the same size as Lebron (height wise). How exactly is Beal a better prospect?
1) Anthony Davis
2) Thomas Robinson/Harrison Barnes[/quote]

Thank God you aren't our GM if you have Barnes anywhere near the discussion of the second pick.[/quote]Actually I would be a great GM. I bet you Barnes will be at the very least the 3rd best player from this draft once we look back in 10 years. Just because "scouts" say he shouldn't be taken @ #2 won't mean he isn't the second best player. Scouts also thought Monta Ellis was a 2nd round talent and Kwame was better then Pau Gasol. I apologize for being able to look outside of the box[/quote]

Lol. Bet all you want. Just because those "scouts" actually do this for a living I think I will take their word for it over yours. Players like Arenas are rather rare, and even he tried to pull an terrorist attack in his locker room.

Yeah, I think Ill stick with the scouts.[/quote]
Hopefully Cho doesn't, us drafting anyone other then T-Rob or Barnes at #2 is a step in the wrong direction

[captaincrunk]

I'd love to dump TT but that isn't enough for me to give up the 2nd pick.

2, TT, Portland 2013 for 6, 11 future 2nd?

I do not believe there is any trade we can make with Charlotte that would include both #6 & #11.

If you guys are serious about making a trade with Portland, you will need to give up asking for both picks. It is not going to happen.

As far as including second round picks, no problem. We also have this years #40 & #41 picks, in play to sweeten a deal. Cho probably could also ask for $3 million in cash. Not sure he would get it, but if I was him, I would ask.

This reminds me of when Portland wanted two lottery picks for the #3rd pick in 2005. Seemed like it was reasonable to trade #3 for #5 and #13 but now it's not reasonable to trade #2 for #6 and #11? Ok then.

Hah, good point. Though they might try to say this draft isn't as valuable or whatever, the precedent is already there.

[oldfishermen]

I never said the idea of trading #2 for #6 & #11 was not a reasonable offer. What I said was trading both picks did not fit our agenda (needs).

We only have 7 players under contract for next season. Only 2 of them are starters, Aldridge and Mathews. The other 5 signed players combined played 48 minutes a game, they were reserves last season. We have a lot of slots to fill, possibly more than you do. We are better off keeping both lottery picks rather than consolidating them to move up to #2. What works for us is to trade one of the lottery picks and other considerations to make up the difference to move up to #2.

One of you mentioned trading #6 for #2 if we take Tyrus Thomas and his bad $26+ Million contract. That is the type of trade we “may” be able to do.

[captaincrunk]

I'd be disappointed going back 4 spots just to offload a contract, but I wouldn't be surprised if the FO did it.

[TheKingofSting]

yeah I don't understand how T-Rob is 1A is Barnes is the second best prospect (after Davis, of course).

Sometimes you have to consider the source.

Word.. Harrison Barnes is bigger, more athletic and is a better defender then Beal, they both struggle to create their own shot except Barnes will create bigger matchup problems if he puts it all together then beal ever could. to put it into perspective Barnes is close if not the same size as Lebron (height wise). How exactly is Beal a better prospect?
1) Anthony Davis
2) Thomas Robinson/Harrison Barnes

Beal gets off his own shot easily. He and Barnes are two totally different players. Beal has better defense, rebounding, offense because he can get his own shot, handles, he simply destroys Barnes in every way imaginable.

[daidalos]

I never said the idea of trading #2 for #6 & #11 was not a reasonable offer. What I said was trading both picks did not fit our agenda (needs).

We only have 7 players under contract for next season. Only 2 of them are starters, Aldridge and Mathews. The other 5 signed players combined played 48 minutes a game, they were reserves last season. We have a lot of slots to fill, possibly more than you do. We are better off keeping both lottery picks rather than consolidating them to move up to #2. What works for us is to trade one of the lottery picks and other considerations to make up the difference to move up to #2.

One of you mentioned trading #6 for #2 if we take Tyrus Thomas and his bad $26+ Million contract. That is the type of trade we “may” be able to do.

Moving down to dump a contract doesnt fit our agenda. You won't dump a contract just because or cause you hate a player. You only get rid of a contract for financial reasons. If we would want to avoid luxury tax or make cap for a star free agent or keep financial flexibility after resigning a player. None of those apply to our situation.

We are 10M under the cap. It's enough to sign our rookies and sign some free agents who want to be here.

We only need more young talent, so we need draft picks our young players in return. If the Blazers want our #2 and they want to keep one of their first rounder this year. Then maybe they need to remove the protection of the 2013 draft pick they owe us AND give us a young talent as well (eg. Babbit).

[Bassman]

BUT...if we were to trade #2 and Tyrus to Portland for the #6 and one of their 2nd rounders, that frees up even more cap space to go after free agents or restricted FA's. No one expects the Cats to go on a spending spree, but Cho did say they will utilize every method to improve. Buying the right young players is certainly a good way to get better quicker. Frankly I think that deal is excellent.

A better deal? Send them Tyrus and DJA for 6 & 11 and a 2nd.

[vexco]

Is it wrong for me to want us to sign OJ Mayo? Haha

[Eoghan]

Is it wrong for me to want us to sign OJ Mayo? Haha

Only if you want to give him Joe Johnson money.

[vexco]

Is it wrong for me to want us to sign OJ Mayo? Haha

Only if you want to give him Joe Johnson money.

No thanks but I still think he can improve