Its time for the Magic to rebuild completely

[p0peye]

Devos has made a statement these past few years that he is willing to spend having one of the largest payrolls in the league, not to mention paying 60M to Arenas so he could leave and play for MEM instead just to free up capspace in future.

You don't have to be scientist to know that we will keep spending, we all know that and that is not the reason for Dwight to leave.

Bad news is that it is not the reason for Dwight to stay either, as he spend entire past season asking to be traded to the Nets.

Thing is, D12 wants to leave.

But, as he repeatedly demonstrated in his statements to media how fickle he truly is, we managed to use that in our advantage to get him wave his TO on trade deadline, which was a good move by our FO.

However, even the weak minded person as Dwight will ultimately get over the painful fact that you can't have your cake and eat it too, so he will eventually decide what is good for him (if he already haven't, as this silence is not a good sign) regardless of whether he will be loved or hated by the ORL fans.

If we don't trade him now and try to bring a superstar sidekick for him here, that might work. He'll stay here for one more year (no way he is signing extension, whoever we get here) and if we win the ship next year, yes, he will stay.

However, if we fall short of NBA finals, he will leave without a doubt as that will be great exit strategy.

[aleZ]

Dwight on any team in the NBA can improve that team by up to 20 wins. That is a game changer. Dwight with this team can win 55-60 games where any trade offer I have ever seen for Dwight doesn't even come close to 55 wins. He is a dominate presence that keeps defenses honest because you can't leave him one on one near the basket and no team can drive when he is defending the paint.

And he also won 3 championships averaging 30 points and 30 rebounds for three seasons. In videogames. Because you know, in real life quite a few teams have been able to defend him one on one, otherwise we would be talking about a NBA dynasty right now.

But hey, you're free to think he's the second coming of WiltChamberlain or Bill Russell

[MagicFan32]

Well first we need a GM.

I for one don't want another year of dwight drama, if he wants to stay great, if not, trade him to the highest bidder and rebuild this thing.

If we hire Lindsey or any of the OKC guys, I will trust in their direction, if Dwight doesn't then he himself has to go regardless

[BadMofoPimp]

Dwight on any team in the NBA can improve that team by up to 20 wins. That is a game changer. Dwight with this team can win 55-60 games where any trade offer I have ever seen for Dwight doesn't even come close to 55 wins. He is a dominate presence that keeps defenses honest because you can't leave him one on one near the basket and no team can drive when he is defending the paint.

And he also won 3 championships averaging 30 points and 30 rebounds for three seasons. In videogames. Because you know, in real life quite a few teams have been able to defend him one on one, otherwise we would be talking about a NBA dynasty right now.

But hey, you're free to think he's the second coming of WiltChamberlain or Bill Russell

In real life, Dwight is the hottest commodity in the NBA outside of Lebron and Durant. Every GM, Player and Owner would say that Dwight would be the person to build a team around. This is a different world than the 60's and 70's. If you want to live in the past, that is fine. I want to win championships, not watch mediocre teams fight for a playoff spot for the next 5-10-20 years because there are no guarantees. In addition, Owners don't want to lose revenue by trading one of the most marketable players in the world. Thus, your idea probably would be ridiculed by every person involved with the Magic organization.

[aleZ]

In real life, Dwight is the hottest commodity in the NBA outside of Lebron and Durant.

Derrick Rose, Dwyane Wade say hi. Hell, there's people who would even take Kobe over Dwight. But I like your homer glasses, are they 3-D too?

[Skin]

In real life, Dwight is the hottest commodity in the NBA outside of Lebron and Durant.

Derrick Rose, Dwyane Wade say hi. Hell, there's people who would even take Kobe over Dwight. But I like your homer glasses, are they 3-D too?

Rose has a case, but Wade and Kobe are not hotter commodities in the NBA. Not at this point in their careers and especially when you're talking about rebuilding.

What we have in Dwight cannot be undervalued. Look at these Finals. The Heat and Thunder are playing a game of forcing each other to shoot rather than letting each other score inside. The Thunder kept the Heat from getting inside in Game 1 and it paid off. When you have a defensive force like Dwight in the paint, that is the biggest threat to prevent teams from attacking inside and forcing them to score from the perimeter. THAT is the key to sustained success. Keep teams OUT OF THE PAINT!

[aleZ]

When you have a defensive force like Dwight in the paint, that is the biggest threat to prevent teams from attacking inside and forcing them to score from the perimeter. THAT is the key to sustained success. Keep teams OUT OF THE PAINT!

Nope, last year Dallas won a championship by shooting jumpers the whole season, just think about Terry and Dirk. Again, you idolize Dwight Howard too much: he's a great player and the best defender in the L, but he can't win anything by himself (and he knows it). That's the reason why he wants out of Orlando and he's gonna leave the Magic sooner or later.

[Happyfoosball]

It's better just to draft really well, and load up on good assets and make GOOD trades with them. Making bad trades with good assets is what got us in to this mess.

[Optimus_Steel]

I think the writing is on the wall. I think Dwight is ready to move on. We have to judge him by his actions. The guy has been MIA for 2 months now. Other than the occasional TMZ report he has been nowhere to be found. At first the excuse that he is rehabbing is belivable but its been 2 months now. Its quite clear to see that he wants out of Orlando. I appreciate what Dwight has done on the court for us but you cant live in denial anymore about his actions off the court. And to be honest, is this the guy we want leading our team? The guy that says one thing and does another. The guy that is on pace to beat Shawn Kemp's dubious record. The guy that can't seem to man up and make a decision without changing it 40 times. The guy that is easy influenced. The guy that seems more interested being on TMZ. The guy with a potentially serious back injury. The guy that you can't give the ball to in crunch time.



Let's say hey we do keep him and hope we make a trade to bring in guys like Monta Ellis or Josh Smith. We are going to be stuck in the same place we are now. Stuck with large hard to move contracts while trading away our few remaining attractive assets to see our team come up short again. A team of Dwight, Ellis and Smith is never going to beat OKC, Miami, or Chi. Eventually Dwight will end up leaving with the Magic stuck with bad contracts, no assets, and no flexibility. We keep Dwight, all we are doing is perpetuating our current mediocre situation and making our eventual rebuild much harder than it has to be.


This team is basically starting over right now. New coach, new GM, new President. Our goal right now should be to accumulate positive assets (young players on flexible contracts, stock piling good draft picks) and to elimiate downhill veteran players on long term contracts (Jrich).

[D12Magic89]

I think the writing is on the wall. I think Dwight is ready to move on. We have to judge him by his actions. The guy has been MIA for 2 months now. Other than the occasional TMZ report he has been nowhere to be found. At first the excuse that he is rehabbing is belivable but its been 2 months now. Its quite clear to see that he wants out of Orlando. I appreciate what Dwight has done on the court for us but you cant live in denial anymore about his actions off the court. And to be honest, is this the guy we want leading our team? The guy that says one thing and does another. The guy that is on pace to beat Shawn Kemp's dubious record. The guy that can't seem to man up and make a decision without changing it 40 times. The guy that is easy influenced. The guy that seems more interested being on TMZ. The guy with a potentially serious back injury. The guy that you can't give the ball to in crunch time.



Let's say hey we do keep him and hope we make a trade to bring in guys like Monta Ellis or Josh Smith. We are going to be stuck in the same place we are now. Stuck with large hard to move contracts while trading away our few remaining attractive assets to see our team come up short again. A team of Dwight, Ellis and Smith is never going to beat OKC, Miami, or Chi. Eventually Dwight will end up leaving with the Magic stuck with bad contracts, no assets, and no flexibility. We keep Dwight, all we are doing is perpetuating our current mediocre situation and making our eventual rebuild much harder than it has to be.


This team is basically starting over right now. New coach, new GM, new President. Our goal right now should be to accumulate positive assets (young players on flexible contracts, stock piling good draft picks) and to elimiate downhill veteran players on long term contracts (Jrich).

TMZ....really???

Look you have to make every effort to keep D12. The new GM will decided if D12 wants to stay or not. But he also has to show Dwight that he is willing to make this a championship team. It's a proven fact that in today's NBA you can't win with just one super star. I would make a strong push to acquire a player like Ellis. We need that second scorer, good roles players just can't match that. No doubt we have horrible contracts, thanks to Otis, like Jrich and DuDu. They must go if we have a shot at signing a Dwill or Harden. Hedo is untradeable and has more value next year with a large expiring half guaranteed contract.
No need to hit the panic button just yet. At least attempt an off-season 1st.

[pogiro]

If Dwight wants to stay, why hasn't he verbally committed to us? Doesn't even need to sign the extension..a verbal commitment would do.

Is it that hard to figure out an answer to your own question? We don't have a GM. We don't have a coach. The offseason isn't even here yet. How bout see who we draft first?

And he's already said that he talked too much over the course of last season and that it's something he regrets.

And just like he said in his press conference, and just like many have said before the press conference... anyone who makes a big decision like the one Dwight has to make, is going to take their time with it.

It's really not that hard to see. And hey, maybe he is noncommittal because he wants to leave. But to assume he's gone from him being silent is ridiculous. Him waiving his ETO showed plenty enough for now.

Pretty sure he initially asked for the trade in December..

Yes. And he waived his ETO four months later...

[aleZ]

This team is basically starting over right now. New coach, new GM, new President. Our goal right now should be to accumulate positive assets (young players on flexible contracts, stock piling good draft picks) and to elimiate downhill veteran players on long term contracts (Jrich).

My thoughts exactly. The way I see it, Magic ownership had enough of the Stan/Otis system after 4 years of trying, and wanted some change by dumping both of them. They prolly are checking all Dwight offers right now behind the scenes, to pull the trigger on a trade during draft night or later in the summer.

My only "fear" si what/who they're gonna get in exchange for Howard, given our horrible track record.

[Bensational]

When you have a defensive force like Dwight in the paint, that is the biggest threat to prevent teams from attacking inside and forcing them to score from the perimeter. THAT is the key to sustained success. Keep teams OUT OF THE PAINT!

Nope, last year Dallas won a championship by shooting jumpers the whole season, just think about Terry and Dirk. Again, you idolize Dwight Howard too much: he's a great player and the best defender in the L, but he can't win anything by himself (and he knows it). That's the reason why he wants out of Orlando and he's gonna leave the Magic sooner or later.

Nobody can win it on their own. Not LBJ, not Durant, not Kobe, not Shaq, not Dirk, not Duncan. That doesn't make any of then less valuable. Doesn't mean you'll get back comparable value to what they give either.

Dwight's the best big man in the game today. That's a pretty good starting point if you want to build a championship team.

[mhectorgato]

Nobody can win it on their own. Not LBJ, not Durant, not Kobe, not Shaq, not Dirk, not Duncan. That doesn't make any of then less valuable. Doesn't mean you'll get back comparable value to what they give either.

Dwight's the best big man in the game today. That's a pretty good starting point if you want to build a championship team.

+1

[BadMofoPimp]

Nobody can win it on their own. Not LBJ, not Durant, not Kobe, not Shaq, not Dirk, not Duncan. That doesn't make any of then less valuable. Doesn't mean you'll get back comparable value to what they give either.

Dwight's the best big man in the game today. That's a pretty good starting point if you want to build a championship team.

+1

Dwight Gonna Prove Ya'll Wrong!!!

There are at least 24 other teams out there attempting to rebuild with the Thunder model. That is a lot of competition. Managment understand that the only way to guarantee victories is to keep Dwight. Fortunately, teams are run by pros and not fans influenced by the media.

[CourtsideTV]

Nobody can win it on their own. Not LBJ, not Durant, not Kobe, not Shaq, not Dirk, not Duncan. That doesn't make any of then less valuable. Doesn't mean you'll get back comparable value to what they give either.

Dwight's the best big man in the game today. That's a pretty good starting point if you want to build a championship team.

+1

Dwight Gonna Prove Ya'll Wrong!!!

There are at least 24 other teams out there attempting to rebuild with the Thunder model. That is a lot of competition. Managment understand that the only way to guarantee victories is to keep Dwight. Fortunately, teams are run by pros and not fans influenced by the media.

prove yall wrong thing is getting mad old brah..srsly.

[BadMofoPimp]

BadMofoPimp Gonna Prove Ya'll Wrong!!!

[aleZ]

Dwight's the best big man in the game today. That's a pretty good starting point if you want to build a championship team.

It all goes back to what we believe in.
I don't believe in lifelong relationships, be it with work, friends or a girl, and there's a metric ton of evidence around us saying that I am right most of the time. Dwight's stay in Orlando is like the last days of a tired relationship, with the girl you loved trying to hide her new fiancée while you grasp at the whole thing crumbling down slowly.

Oh, and Dwight isn't even good at hiding his baby-mamas

[BadMofoPimp]

I like how everyone presumes Dwight is leaving just because of no name sources from mainstream media outlets. As if professional athletes is supposed to walk around with the biggest smile at all times yelling aloud,"I love it here!"

FYI. Not one single Legit Source stated that Dwight wants to leave the Magic.

[Orium]

Dwight's the best big man in the game today. That's a pretty good starting point if you want to build a championship team.

It all goes back to what we believe in.
I don't believe in lifelong relationships, be it with work, friends or a girl, and there's a metric ton of evidence around us saying that I am right most of the time. Dwight's stay in Orlando is like the last days of a tired relationship, with the girl you loved trying to hide her new fiancée while you grasp at the whole thing crumbling down slowly.

Oh, and Dwight isn't even good at hiding his baby-mamas

Because most people get the lifelong relationships wrong isn't cause not to believe in them. A great deal is learned by parting ways and reflecting, but so much more can be learned by adapting together with someone.

You sound a little like a bitter person who refuses to adapt and gets to watch as someone you love gets engaged to someone else, then blames it all on her. (not saying this happened, just using your analogy)