Trading the #2 pick - dicussion (merged)

[fatlever]

i'd probably take a chance on curry if the cost was only moving down from #2 to #7. this might be the lowest his trade value is for the next 5 years. if he comes back next year and the ankle is better, he is worth the #2 pick. if he doesn't, oh well, it was worth a shot. at the very least MJ makes a kabillion dollars on steph curry bobcats/hornets jerseys for the next 2 years.

as for steph and kemba, cleary this moves kemba to backup pg getting 10-15 minutes behind curry and maybe another 5-10 when they are on the floor together. kemba and curry works better than kemba and dj because
1) curry is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dj
2) curry is 6'3" and dj is 5'10" so curry can guard bigger players easier
3) curry, while not a great defensive player, is miles ahead of dj in that regard.

or make the trade to include kemba going back to GS for another asset. i wont lose any sleep over that.

and there is still a chance that one of barnes, mkg, thor, drummond or beal slips to 7. if not we can look at t jones or lamb.

[HornetJail]

I'm creating a Mock draft and have the Bobcats trading: Tyrus Thomas and #2 to Golden State for David Lee, 7, 30 & 35. Then have us doing a Sign-&-Trade with Augustine to the Mavericks for #17. I have us picking Beal(7), Harkless(17), D. Green(30), Wroten(31) and O'Quinn(35). Just wondering what everyone thought. Realistic, not good trades, etc. Feedback will be much appreciated. For those trying to figure out how we get Beal. 1-Anthony Davis, 2-MKG, 3-T. Robinson, 4-Barnes, 5-Drummond, 6-Lillard, 7-Beal

replace lee with curry and we have some discussion. you can even remove 30 and 35 from the deal.

#2 for #7 and curry. you dont even need to take back tyrus. we are under the cap so we can absorb curry.

I think they would at the very least want Kemba in that trade, and I'd be willing to give him to them.

[bobcats3wallace]

Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
The Charlotte Bobcats continue to shop the second overall pick. Only one problem... "They want A LOT in return," said league source.

Still strong indications we are looking to trade, and thankfully still strong indications that we want a lot. I would love to know what "A LOT" is. Is Gay considered "A LOT"? Or are they calling around asking for a Lebron? We know they are most likely trying to include Thomas, so is a lot considered Thomas + a good player + potential later draft pick? Would be real interesting if we could ever find that out.

[captaincrunk]

I really hope they don't back down on that "A LOT" stuff. Even if no one wants it bad enough, we'd be fools to trade it for less. We'd be better off drafting at 2.

[fatlever]

keep it up cho. you have to start negotiating at the top and go from there. hopefully a few teams will start falling in love with some of the guys in the 2-5 range and get desperate enough to make a huge deal. keep shopping.

[Jaruff]

keep it up cho. you have to start negotiating at the top and go from there. hopefully a few teams will start falling in love with some of the guys in the 2-5 range and get desperate enough to make a huge deal. keep shopping.

I anticipate this will happen as we close in on the draft. The best thing that could happen is for another team to trade up first (say 3-6) and then have the desperate teams coming to us at #2 to secure their guy. We just have to wait and see which GM pulls the trigger first because in this hyped to high water class, everyone wants a piece of the cake. Cho just has to figure out who has the most pudding to offer in trade.

[bobcats3wallace]

keep it up cho. you have to start negotiating at the top and go from there. hopefully a few teams will start falling in love with some of the guys in the 2-5 range and get desperate enough to make a huge deal. keep shopping.

This is key, if we are going to get good value for this pick it won't happen probably until draft night. I'll bet if there is one guy a team may be desperate enough to draft, it would be Drummond. Glad to see we are finally asking for a lot, normally our motto has been ask for as little as possible and be happy with it! Haha.

[Dorko]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft201 ... rade-ideas

3. Minnesota Timberwolves trade F Derrick Williams and the No. 18 pick to the Charlotte Bobcats for the No. 2 pick.

Williams was the second pick of last year's draft and played well in spurts for Minnesota during his rookie season. To become a true foundation player, he's going to have to improve the consistency of his outside shot, as well as his decision-making on offense. There is no question that the raw athletic ability is there for Williams to eventually become an All-Star-caliber player. But can he reach that ceiling in Minnesota?

Williams spent about half of his court time last season playing small forward, which is appropriate in a sense because he's a bit of a tweener. He needs the ball in his hands more, and that's not going to happen regularly playing alongside Ricky Rubio and Kevin Love.

The Timberwolves need a perimeter player who can score consistently from the perimeter, which makes Florida's Bradley Beal an ideal get. Beal is the exact kind of knock-down shooter you want to pair with Rubio on the backcourt. His size would be an issue on the defensive end for some teams, but the Timberwolves have one excellent backcourt defender in Rubio and with a big three of Rubio, Love and Beal, they could go after a rangy defensive specialist and stand-still shooter to play small forward. It's a combination that would put Minnesota a rim protector away from quickly moving up the ladder in the West.

Charlotte, on the other hand, is more or less building from scratch. They are hoping that Kemba Walker and Bismack Biyombo will evolve into legitimate starters, but Williams would give them another piece of the puzzle if he can become the kind of big-time scorer that he's unlikely to be with the Timberwolves.

The question the Bobcats have to answer is this: Is Williams a more desirable building block than Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, or Thomas Robinson, or anyone else not named Anthony Davis? It's a tough call, but Minnesota could also include the No. 18 pick to sweeten the pot. No matter what happens, the Bobcats will be in the running for the top pick again next year anyway, so the more bodies they get, the better.

[James Gatz]

keep it up cho. you have to start negotiating at the top and go from there. hopefully a few teams will start falling in love with some of the guys in the 2-5 range and get desperate enough to make a huge deal. keep shopping.

[Bassman]

Interesting scenario with the concept of a Timberwoles trade. If you could get them to take a contract back in the deal that would be nearly perfect. But...they would never do that. Essentially we would gain the 18th pick and swap #2 picks, just in different years. Is Williams better than any player we could get at 2 this year? Possibly. He represents the same combination of potential mixed with questions, BUT we've seen some of Derrick's work already at the NBA level. How would he fit into this team? It would be an interesting addition. Is here a better deal out there? Hmmm....

[-Ian-]

I've been wanting for us to get Derrick Williams. But I'm not sure if he's worth the #2 pick.

It would be nice to see him team up with Kemba. The two seems to be close since they are both Under Armour endorsers.

[Rich4114]

I feel like the Curry Deal or the Williams deal are buy low sell high opportunities. If we're not going to draft Drummond then I'd take Williams over MKG or T-Rob. I'd definitely take Curry over them as well.

If we gain an extra 1st round pick as part of the package then I'm not sure how you can say no to that, especially with the GSW #7 because ONE of the guys we've had our eye on could certainly slip.

I'm telling you guys, if CHO does something like that GSW trade or the Portland trade and ends up with one of the guys we have a thread about plus a quality player like Curry or Williams we will fast track our re-build process. Won't make us tremendously better next year but we also won't have to wait 5 years to be as competitive.

[BigSlam]

Interesting scenario with the concept of a Timberwoles trade. If you could get them to take a contract back in the deal that would be nearly perfect. But...they would never do that.

#2 and Tyrus
for
#18, Williams and Webster (he's a young SF with range on his J to compliment Kemba and Hendo who still hassome upside but more importantly, expires after next season)

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6099418

[Walt Cronkite]

i'm still amongst the posters that feel like Curry is one of the few "stars" we have a shot at signing as an FA so giving up assets for him would be foolish.

Not very interested in Derrick Williams. Just roll the dice on Thor.

[bobcats3wallace]

Only way I would consider a Derrick Williams trade is if it was 2 + Thomas for Williams + 18. I haven't seen much of Williams in the NBA, but based on what I have seen I think he will be a PF. Naturally, you have to ask, is he better than Robinson? I honestly don't know I can say yes to that, without a doubt. Maybe similar impacts, but I don't think either one are clear and away the better player. Now I do think that Williams will be a better and more productive pro than MKG. Anyway, what i'm saying is if you value Williams and Robinson about the same, then I would do the trade. But Thomas would have to be included and we would have to get 18 back. The Wolves could actually use Thomas' veterans perspective (although that could be questioned) and he would fit nicely off the bench behind Love as he would get minutes off the bench and as Love slides to C for stretches. I doubt the Twolves are a team that REALLY wants to pick 18th anyway, they have enough young talent and need vet guys. Beal also would be a really nice fit on that team. The Twolves would have something going there with Rubio/Beal/Love/Pekovic. Not a bad mix.

For the Bobcats outside of Robinson vs Williams, my biggest question would be what position do we project Williams to be? If he is a PF, is he too small to pair with Biz? If he is a PF then I would want Quincy Miller at 18. If he is a SF then I would go Royce White. What does everyone else feel? PF or SF? Better fit than Robinson/MKG/Beal?

[James Gatz]

Williams is a 4. He can't really play the 3. He was only put there because Love plays the 4. I don't think T-Rob is going to be substantially better than Williams so if we could dump TT and pick up 18 I would consider that a win.

[Dorko]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2I3dHR1TxA[/youtube]

Like i said earlier you guys would be all over derrick williams at #2 if he had stayed in college.
He never got much of a chance to shine playing behind klove and getting inconsistent minutes. His numbers as a starter were much better than when he came off the bench.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogw2zZpPYAQ&feature=fvwrel[/youtube]

[Marino]

If you have to sell him to us, then do we really want him?

[Bassman]

I think Williams could play SF depending on matchups. He is a bit of a tweener, and would play "smaller" that Robinson. He showed a sweet stroke in that highlight video, but he only shot 41% from the field and 27% from 3 over the season. I think he can develop, but trading for him is only an option if we can unload Tyrus and get the 18th pick. I'd want to see all other offers to compare it to.

[Dorko]

I just think if he was in Charlotte he would have a big year, he never really had a feel for his role on the team and never knew when he could take over, in Charlotte that wouldnt be a problem. He's a very hard worker and could be a #1 or #2 scorer unlike most players in the draft, who will probably be starters/role players. He's also good a defending the pick n roll as he can stay with guards a lot better than most 4s. His athleticism is off the charts as well, and especially since he's working this offseason to lose body fat like Klove did last year.