2012 NBA Draft - Part V

Jay81 · Post #481 » by **Jay81** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:19 pm

Lord this shot and offense are so broken. There is no way he is going to fix this terrible shooting motion

Wizardspride · Post #482 » by **Wizardspride** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:20 pm

Bradley Beal will work out for the Wizards tomorrow, along with Georgetown's Hollis Thompson and Grambling State guard Quincy Roberts.

Jay81 · Post #483 » by **Jay81** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:29 pm

im not sold on Gilchrist. He had so many games where he only made 1 or 2 field goals. He did have a 24-19 monster vs Louisville on New Years Eve

but

1 point against LSU
2 games later 7 pts against SC
then back to back 4 pt games against Ole Miss and Vandy where he hit one shot in each game

march 11 against vandy 5 pts
March 17 in 3rd round against Iowa state 2 pts, 7 reb 1 assists

we dont have the luxury of taking someone like that right now

TGW · Post #484 » by **TGW** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:31 pm

^^^His shot is godawful, but it's hard to say that he's not good at everything else. His defense, rebounding, ball-handling, and basketball IQ are all solid-to-excellent.

Right now, I've changed my mind from 1. Beal 2. Robinson 3. MKG. Now I'd take MKG, then Robinson, then Beal. The speed of the NBA game is not going to be a shock for him. He'll come right in and defend the Melo's and Lebron's and do a DAMN good job. Hell...I'll go as far as to say he has the potential to make one of the all defensive teams as a rookie.

If we do draft him, it is then Ernie's JOB TO FIND SOME SHOOTERS. Signing Ilyasova or Ryan Anderson with our capspace would be the absolute priority. Move one of the extra forwards for a two-guard not named Jordan Crawford. Maybe JJ Reddick is available.

But right now, I'd say MKG is the target.

Jay81 · Post #485 » by **Jay81** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:32 pm

meanwhile Robinson had 13 monster rebound games----14 or more rebounds in a game

he had a 30-21 game. I think Beal and if he is not there...Robinson.

Robinsons game log

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... s-robinson

Jay81 · Post #486 » by **Jay81** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:37 pm

I bet Barnes or Trob win rookie of the year next year and Ernie gets slammed for passing on both

jivelikenice · Post #487 » by **jivelikenice** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:46 pm

TGW wrote:^^^His shot is godawful, but it's hard to say that he's not good at everything else. His defense, rebounding, ball-handling, and basketball IQ are all solid-to-excellent.

Right now, I've changed my mind from 1. Beal 2. Robinson 3. MKG. Now I'd take MKG, then Robinson, then Beal. The speed of the NBA game is not going to be a shock for him. He'll come right in and defend the Melo's and Lebron's and do a DAMN good job. Hell...I'll go as far as to say he has the potential to make one of the all defensive teams as a rookie.

If we do draft him, it is then Ernie's JOB TO FIND SOME SHOOTERS. Signing Ilyasova or Ryan Anderson with our capspace would be the absolute priority. Move one of the extra forwards for a two-guard not named Jordan Crawford. Maybe JJ Reddick is available.

But right now, I'd say MKG is the target.

MKG is a monster. I don't care about measureables (which weren't bad), you could just see the speed and force he plays the game with. Barnes tested out more athletic in some regards but its about game speed and athleticism versus what you do in testing. I also think his shot is a lot further along than others. He has an unorthodox shot, but the release isn't bad. With his work ethic (as evidenced by the breakfast club), if you give him a shooting instructor I could see him locking himself in a gym for a month until he has it down.

In terms of who'll contribute right away, Robinson will be instant impact. MKG and Beal will contribute to their strengths right away but both will have ups and down based on their age and development needed in parts of their games. I'm coming around on Beal, but don't think you go wrong with any of these 3.

Jay81 · Post #488 » by **Jay81** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:51 pm

dont forget TRob took a team who lost two NBA 1st rounders the year before to the NCAA finals.

Robinson will likely average a double double next year if he gets starters minutes.

Post #489 » by **nate33** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:16 am

TGW wrote: He'll come right in and defend the Melo's and Lebron's and do a DAMN good job. Hell...I'll go as far as to say he has the potential to make one of the all defensive teams as a rookie.

Nobody can guard the Lebron's and Durant's of the league straight up. It requires help from the bigs. I'd much rather have an ordinary wing defender on them plus an exceptional big man help defender than vice versa. The problem with MKG is that we're going to have to find bigs with great offense to put around him, and unless you have an all-world big man, a big with good offense is typically a bad defender. And as I just said, an excellent wing defender plus a mediocre defensive big isn't as good defensively as a mediocre wing defender and an excellent defensive big.

TGW wrote:If we do draft him, it is then Ernie's JOB TO FIND SOME SHOOTERS. Signing Ilyasova or Ryan Anderson with our capspace would be the absolute priority. Move one of the extra forwards for a two-guard not named Jordan Crawford. Maybe JJ Reddick is available.

Easier said than done. Typically, good-shooting bigs are lousy defenders.

DCZards · Post #490 » by **DCZards** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:43 am

TGW wrote:^^^His shot is godawful, but it's hard to say that he's not good at everything else. His defense, rebounding, ball-handling, and basketball IQ are all solid-to-excellent.

Right now, I've changed my mind from 1. Beal 2. Robinson 3. MKG. Now I'd take MKG, then Robinson, then Beal. The speed of the NBA game is not going to be a shock for him. He'll come right in and defend the Melo's and Lebron's and do a DAMN good job. Hell...I'll go as far as to say he has the potential to make one of the all defensive teams as a rookie.

If we do draft him, it is then Ernie's JOB TO FIND SOME SHOOTERS. Signing Ilyasova or Ryan Anderson with our capspace would be the absolute priority. Move one of the extra forwards for a two-guard not named Jordan Crawford. Maybe JJ Reddick is available.

But right now, I'd say MKG is the target.

MkG's defense is absolutely awesome and his motor is the real deal, but I don't think the Zards have the luxury of taking him over Beal, an equally talented player whose stength--perimeter shooting--is what the Zards desperately need.

Signing quality free agents is such a crapshoot. A bird (or Beal) in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Dat2U · Post #491 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:45 am

Ersan Ilyasova is not a bad defender. Actually he acquitted himself pretty well in Skiles system.

Ryan Anderson is a different story however.

Ersan in an unrestricted free agent. If MKG is our choice, I'd be going all out for IIyasova in free agency.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #492 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:48 am

Jay81 wrote:dont forget TRob took a team who lost two NBA 1st rounders the year before to the NCAA finals.

Robinson will likely average a double double next year if he gets starters minutes.

This is trivial, but did you know Terrence Jones led a UK team in scoring and many other key stats that went to the Final Four and that fell one point shy of the championship game?

The year before, Wall and Cousins did not make the Final Four. (West Virginia beat them in the elite eight.) The following season, Brandon Knight, Jones, along with Darius Miller, Doron Lamb, DeAndre Liggins, and Josh Harrellson made it to the finals.

The team with Jones in 2010-2011 made it farther than a team that sent Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe, Patrick Patterson, and Daniel Orton to the NBA!

U Ky is a factory that serves as a pipeline to the NBA.

payitforward · Post #493 » by **payitforward** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:02 am

Dat2U wrote:Ersan Ilyasova is not a bad defender. Actually he acquitted himself pretty well in Skiles system.

Ryan Anderson is a different story however.

Ersan in an unrestricted free agent. If MKG is our choice, I'd be going all out for IIyasova in free agency.

Why only if we pick MK-G? Ilyasova had a *monster* season last year, and he is only 25. I'd go all out for him no matter whether we picked MK-G or Beal (maybe all the more if it's Beal?).

Dat2U · Post #494 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:15 am

payitforward wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Ersan Ilyasova is not a bad defender. Actually he acquitted himself pretty well in Skiles system.

Ryan Anderson is a different story however.

Ersan in an unrestricted free agent. If MKG is our choice, I'd be going all out for IIyasova in free agency.

Why only if we pick MK-G? Ilyasova had a *monster* season last year, and he is only 25. I'd go all out for him no matter whether we picked MK-G or Beal (maybe all the more if it's Beal?).

Good point. I do think he's arguably the most relaistic big name target in free agency because he's an unrestricted free agent. I have no problem going after him in any scenario.

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #495 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:26 am

Some general offhand ramblings and opinions about the draft...

I REALLY like Thomas Robinson. I like him because I think he's going to be really good. We need a dominant rebounder. It's why everyone wanted to trade for Love 2 yrs ago, it's why everyone wanted to draft Kanter last year. But I think his overall athleticism and skill is being under appreciated. I remember watching him do things handling on the perimeter and his overall speed and agility and being surprised and impressed by it.

But it is beyond that. It is his flat out determination to beat you. He reminds me in a way of a bigger Caron Butler. He seems a true leader, a guy who can put a team on his back and win a game on pure will. All the expectation put on Wall to come here and take over and lead this team, but didn't really match his demeanor... that is what Robinson would bring. IMO he comes here and this is instantly his team. And I think him and Wall will fit perfectly. I don't see a more complete way for this team to finally and completely separate itself from it's recent laughingstock past of Arenas and Blatche than to bring in Robinson, a local kid, the complete opposite of Blatche, and a new #0. I think Robinson brings immediate respect to this team.

I also think we can get a potential starting SG later in the draft, like Doron Lamb for example. I can see Robinson meshing well with Nene. I can see Robinson at PF allowing us to use Vesely at times at Center. I also don't see a logjam, I see a pretty ideal rotation with Nene at center with Seraphin his ideal backup, I see Robinson at PF with Booker as his ideal backup. I see Vesely as a kind of x-factor off the bench anywhere from SF to C depending on matchups.

I do also really like Beal. I wish there was some way to come out of this draft with Robinson, Beal and Barnes. I think Charlotte takes MKG, leaving us our choice, which is a great situation for us. I'll really be happy with either TRob or Beal. I do think Beal is an ideal SG for this team.

After watching interviews and combine footage, I definitely do not want Drummond, or Jeremy Lamb. After the measurements, I lost interest in Crowder.

At 32 I do like Doron Lamb and Fab Melo, then maybe Darius Miller. At 46 like Scott Machado and Hollis Thompson.

Wouldn't be surprised to see a Wizards draft night of Robinson #3, and Rivers (trade of 32 & 46 for pick in the 11-16 range).

Knighthonor · Post #496 » by **Knighthonor** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:35 am

Who worked out today with the wizards? Any media on it that people watched it wih?

closg00 · Post #497 » by **closg00** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:38 am

nba.coms latest mock
http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/s ... index.html

Knighthonor · Post #498 » by **Knighthonor** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:55 am

7-Day Dray wrote:Thomas Robinson draft workout interview: http://www.nba.com/wizards/video/thomas ... -interview

Sadly I am stuck between wanting Trob or Beal on the wizards.

Knighthonor · Post #499 » by **Knighthonor** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:57 am

What can the wizards trade to get Trob as well as Beal?

Nene
Sheraphan
Wall
Trob
Beal

I like that....

Mizerooskie · Post #500 » by **Mizerooskie** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:25 am

7-Day Dray wrote:
Mizerooskie wrote:Uh, those stats are useless without context. Zeller and Melo were both role players that didn't get consistent playing time (7.8 MPG and 9.9 MPG, respectively). There's really no conclusions that can be drawn from their freshman numbers. Even peripherals and rate-based stats are pretty useless with that little playing time.

Also, we're talking about Drummond in terms of a early lottery pick, whereas Zeller would be a lat lottery/mid-1st pick and Melo a late-1st/early 2nd round pick.

Like I stated in my post, those guys played less minutes, but it was for a reason. If both of those guys were so good or even as good as Drummond was as a Fr., they would've earned more minutes.

And even though guys like Zeller and Melo are ranked lower on the draft boards, I've seen a number of posters here saying they'd rather have Zeller or Melo than Drummond.

Yeah, that's not even close to true. Zeller was behind a senior Tyler freaking Hansbrough. He wasn't getting Drummond minutes barring an injury.

And I'd rather take Zeller or Melo over Drummond. It's got very little to do with their respective freshman stat lines. It has to do with Drummond's terrible motor and lack of heart.