SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[The Sixer Fixer]

I don't understand why most Sixers fans don't want Lou back. Who else are we gonna have that can have that type of scoring punch off the bench? He's probably the 4th best 6th man in the league behind Manu, Harden and Jason Terry. Obviously he hurts our defense compared to Jrue and Turner, but he was our #1 option on this team....imagine what he could do if we had a legit #1 option to take the pressure off of him. We really take his scoring off the bench for granted, just about every team in the league would love to have him. He's one of the few offensive weapons on this team, we shouldn't just let him go unless he asks for way too much money or if we find a better replacement (Terry is a free agent, would come a lot cheaper, would be a little less of a defensive liability and could provide a TON of vet leadership). But I don't think Terry would come here unless we land a Deron Williams or Dwight Howard.

+1. Our anemic offense will miss Lou if he leaves. Lou is a great option to have off the bench, assuming he will re-sign for a reasonable contract. Like all players, he has his limitations. But it is certainly not his fault that Doug doesn't utilise his talents correctly.

-1.

There's lots of "Lou Williams" that can be had in FA if you want a guy like him (no D, poor efficiency on O). Most of the can even be had for less than Lou.

JR Smith
Nick Young
Jerryd Bayless
OJ Mayo
Gerald Green
Leandro Barbosa
Von Wafer
Randy Foye
Gilbert Arenas
Jamal Crawford
Rudy Fernandez
Shannon Brown

[JordanMars]

I don't understand why most Sixers fans don't want Lou back. Who else are we gonna have that can have that type of scoring punch off the bench? He's probably the 4th best 6th man in the league behind Manu, Harden and Jason Terry. Obviously he hurts our defense compared to Jrue and Turner, but he was our #1 option on this team....imagine what he could do if we had a legit #1 option to take the pressure off of him. We really take his scoring off the bench for granted, just about every team in the league would love to have him. He's one of the few offensive weapons on this team, we shouldn't just let him go unless he asks for way too much money or if we find a better replacement (Terry is a free agent, would come a lot cheaper, would be a little less of a defensive liability and could provide a TON of vet leadership). But I don't think Terry would come here unless we land a Deron Williams or Dwight Howard.

+1. Our anemic offense will miss Lou if he leaves. Lou is a great option to have off the bench, assuming he will re-sign for a reasonable contract. Like all players, he has his limitations. But it is certainly not his fault that Doug doesn't utilise his talents correctly.

-1.

There's lots of "Lou Williams" that can be had in FA if you want a guy like him (no D, poor efficiency on O). Most of the can even be had for less than Lou.

JR Smith
Nick Young
Jerryd Bayless
OJ Mayo
Gerald Green
Leandro Barbosa
Von Wafer
Randy Foye
Gilbert Arenas
Jamal Crawford
Rudy Fernandez
Shannon Brown

-1


Most points scored in the 4th Quarter this season: 1)Kobe 2) Durant ... 3) Lou Williams. Yes, it may be hard to believe for all you anti Lou williams people but Kobe and KD were the only 2 players to score more in 4Q.

Lou is better than all these guys with the exception of Mayo and Nick Young. And these guys will be just as expensive as Lou is (7-8 million). All this mixed with the fact that Lou was the only guy on the team to really get to the line at all this past season. Sure he blows ### on defense but he was our only consistant player on the offensive side in the regular season. Still young at 25 and i truely believe he can be a more efficient player if he wants to.

If Lou wasnt on the sixers this past season we would of been in the lottery. (which some of you would love)

[KKell2507]

SF76 any word on if we like PJ3?

I'm seeing him fall past us in mocks, curious if we would swing for the fences with his upside if put in a position too ( similar to the holiday pick)

I was going to ask this too. I would hate to see us pass up a talent like Perry Jones at 15. Sure he has some question marks but his potential is through the roof.

And this is very similar to the Holiday pick I agree. I remember for months we had debates about would we take Ty Lawson or Eric Maynor. Then like the last few days before the draft it seemed like there was a slight chance Holiday was going from top 10 talent to sliding way down the board. And we ended up taking Holiday over both Lawson and Maynor because of Holidays upside. I hope we do the same if a guy like Perry Jones falls.

[The Sixer Fixer]

-1


Most points scored in the 4th Quarter this season: 1)Kobe 2) Durant ... 3) Lou Williams. Yes, it may be hard to believe for all you anti Lou williams people but Kobe and KD were the only 2 players to score more in 4Q.

-1

Easy to be high on that list when you are a ball hog and jack more shots than anyone else on the team....a team that lacks scoring so they let you freelance and settle for fade away shots as much as you want. I don't value his 4th Q scoring at all.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Check out his 4th Q numbers

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ar_id=2012

Shot 35.9 % in the 4th...just awful. Almost anyone can replace the shot and be more efficient....plus maybe play something called D. If you cost your team as many pts on D, your offense doesn't matter at all.

[JordanMars]

Check out his 4th Q numbers

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ar_id=2012

Shot 35.9 % in the 4th...just awful. Almost anyone can replace the shot and be more efficient....plus maybe play something called D. If you cost your team as many pts on D, your offense doesn't matter at all.

-1

Sure he shot 36 percent. Every team put their best defender on him in the 4th quarter(evident during playoffs). Bring in a guy to take the pressure of Lou and he will be that much better. As i said earlier, Lou can only improve next season, DC will demand more efficiency and i think Lou is up for it.

[Do the Jrue]

I don't understand why most Sixers fans don't want Lou back. Who else are we gonna have that can have that type of scoring punch off the bench? He's probably the 4th best 6th man in the league behind Manu, Harden and Jason Terry. Obviously he hurts our defense compared to Jrue and Turner, but he was our #1 option on this team....imagine what he could do if we had a legit #1 option to take the pressure off of him. We really take his scoring off the bench for granted, just about every team in the league would love to have him. He's one of the few offensive weapons on this team, we shouldn't just let him go unless he asks for way too much money or if we find a better replacement (Terry is a free agent, would come a lot cheaper, would be a little less of a defensive liability and could provide a TON of vet leadership). But I don't think Terry would come here unless we land a Deron Williams or Dwight Howard.

+1. Our anemic offense will miss Lou if he leaves. Lou is a great option to have off the bench, assuming he will re-sign for a reasonable contract. Like all players, he has his limitations. But it is certainly not his fault that Doug doesn't utilise his talents correctly.

-1.

There's lots of "Lou Williams" that can be had in FA if you want a guy like him (no D, poor efficiency on O). Most of the can even be had for less than Lou.

JR Smith
Nick Young
Jerryd Bayless
OJ Mayo
Gerald Green
Leandro Barbosa
Von Wafer
Randy Foye
Gilbert Arenas
Jamal Crawford
Rudy Fernandez
Shannon Brown

I don't care what stats you wanna bring up....JR Smith, Nick Young and OJ Mayo are all less efficient players than Lou. Those three are certified chuck artists along with Jamal Crawford. Rudy Fernandez, Shannon Brown, GILBERT ARENAS, Gerald Green, Von **** Wafer and Randy Foye?!?!?! Case in point.....we really do take Lou for granted if those are the type of people you're comparing the dude to. Dude was a borderline All-Star this past year, I remember on TNT both Shaq and Kenny Smith had Lou making the team. Jerryd Bayless is intriguing because he had so much potential coming into the league and I still don't think he's gotten a fair shot of living up to it, and Barbosa would be a very solid addition. And even though Mayo is a chucker I'd still be interesting in signing him if we couldn't bring Lou back. The rest of that list....hell no.

[The Sixer Fixer]

3rd most shots in the league in the 4th Q!! Lou Freaking Williams took more 4th Q shots that everyone but 2 players? That's disgusting.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... rder_by=fg

Teams putting there best defender on him is a myth the Sixers want you to believe to explain his poor performance. Shot selection is the reason he stinks.

Edit: 99th in the NBA in 4th Q FG%.....ouch!!!

[JordanMars]

Lou didnt really have anyone to take pressure off him in the 4th quarter. Add a Low post presence and a shooter and i think he can return to his 2009-2010 form.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Some interesting stuff from Bob Ford. Sounds like Thorn is mainly being removed for not being active enough at trying to re-shape the roster.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/six ... _pace.html

With the Sixers, Thorn found himself in a situation with a new set of owners who didn't make their money by investing in IBM and turning off the computer and with a head coach too impatient to wait for microwave popcorn. Thorn is 71 years old, and the feeling within the organization is that the Sixers want someone younger and less risk-averse during what promises to be a very hectic time ahead. "We need a barracuda," one high-ranking team source said recently.

While Collins chafed this season as he attempted to win games with a mismatched roster that couldn't shoot the basketball and wasn't tough enough in the paint, Thorn traded away Marreese Speights for low draft picks, picked up Sam Young as little more than injury insurance, and sent Craig Brackens to the D-League and then brought him back again.

Maybe he couldn't have done much more, given the Sixers' salary-cap situation and what was available at the trade deadline, but he damn sure couldn't have done much less.

It is a generous parting and reflects respect for Thorn, who is one of the nicest guys in the game. It also leaves no doubt, however, that the days of passive management are over.

By all indications, it will spin quickly this time. If this were not going to be a busy offseason filled with upheaval, the management change wouldn't take place now. Although team sources are saying that it could take as much as a year to get the new guy in place and that Thorn will be in charge until that happens, don't believe it. That's just another way to make the transition appear gentler and less like the vote of no-confidence that it actually is. The new general manager will be here and he will be here very soon.

You can also figure that Andre Iguodala will be traded, and that part is for sure. The Sixers don't feel Iguodala and Evan Turner are compatible on the court, and Turner's late-season and postseason development sealed that deal. Turner has some terrible holes to his game, but he is one of the few players on the team with a true competitive fire. He is Collins' type of player, in other words.

[Stills12]

Turner comes off the bench for nearly 2 seasons, gets inconsistent minutes, is always on short leash with Doug and got benched again after coach called him a point guard..and all along he was a Collins type of player and will likely not be traded...


Im sorry fellas but i have to post this again

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocV5bGHdYag[/youtube]

[Do the Jrue]

Maybe he was hard on him to push him to be great. I hope what's said in that article is true and a new GM will be brought in very quickly and be extremely aggressive....something the Sixers haven't been in a long, long time.

Anyone else think an Iguodala for Derrick Williams trade would be in the best interest of both teams? Gives us our PF that can knock down shots, grab boards and grow with Jrue, ET and whoever else we get this offseason. Gives Minnesota the SF that they've been looking for that can play great defense, bring veteran winning attitude to a team that doesn't have much of it, catch lobs from Rubio and is a great passer for Adelmen's offense. Makes so much sense for both teams. We then can throw a bunch of money at Hibbert or Eric Gordon, and draft pretty much BPA at #15. Jrue-Ross-Turner-DWill-Hibbert? Sounds damn good to me.

[bmyers3317]

Maybe he was hard on him to push him to be great. I hope what's said in that article is true and a new GM will be brought in very quickly and be extremely aggressive....something the Sixers haven't been in a long, long time.

Anyone else think an Iguodala for Derrick Williams trade would be in the best interest of both teams? Gives us our PF that can knock down shots, grab boards and grow with Jrue, ET and whoever else we get this offseason. Gives Minnesota the SF that they've been looking for that can play great defense, bring veteran winning attitude to a team that doesn't have much of it, catch lobs from Rubio and is a great passer for Adelmen's offense. Makes so much sense for both teams. We then can throw a bunch of money at Hibbert or Eric Gordon, and draft pretty much BPA at #15. Jrue-Ross-Turner-DWill-Hibbert? Sounds damn good to me.

I am tired of tweeners....I'll pass on DWill

[mybestfiend]

I like DWill but he's just Thad with more potential.

[P2K]

Maybe he was hard on him to push him to be great.

That's total BS. People have used that line in here and each time, it makes me laugh harder.

As for that Bob Ford article, it contradicts what was said the other day where Thorn supposedly had trades in mind and were turned down by Doug and upper management.

[KrazySixersD]

dont want derrick williams

i like that they feel turner can be that guy cuz of his drive... this offseason needs to start getting into gear!

[34Charles]

SF1976,

Hearing anything about interest in a guy like Michael Beasley??? If Philly were to deal Andre away for a big like Gasol or Al Jefferson......Beasley would seem to be a nice fit at the starting SF spot....he can definately score and has good size for the position.

[PhilasFinest]

Thorn needs to go. He's done nothing except make a few worthless trades.

[Typeical]

Thorn needs to go. He's done nothing except make a few worthless trades.

lol @ the maresse speights trade and sam young.

lol @ craig brackins waisting away a roster spot and having to ask to go to D-League himself

lol & wtf @ francisco elson

lol @ coming into this season with no shot blockers despite having 7 big men on the roster. wtf

Grade: FAIL!

[mybestfiend]

Speights was never gonna play here, the fact that we got anything at all for him is a bonus.