2012 NBA Draft - Part V

[nate33]

nba.coms latest mock
http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/s ... index.html

Right. That is what I see happening. for 1, 2, 3, 4. Actually, I think that would be the way it goes down for 5, 6, 7, 8 as well. I think T Jones could go higher though.

This is what I see happening in the top 5 too. Though I think Portland takes Drummond at #6, Detroit takes Henson at #9 and New Orleans takes Lilliard at #10

[noworriesinmd]

I've been going back and forth on who we should draft. Bottom line, do we want to win a championship or would we be happy with an early out every year?

I want to win a championship. It pains me to watch the Bullets suck every year, but I understand that you have to be bad to get lucky and possibly get great players. I think we have the bad part down and maybe we got our fairy dust with Wall, but if we are in this same position two years from now....

I love Beal, but as I've read earlier, an amazing backcourt will not win you a championship.

I like MKG, but he can't shoot...but I love his fire. He could be a second star

I like Barnes, because he is an athletic freak, who can shoot. I wonder if we'll regret not picking an obvious choice. Good guy, but does he have passion?

I'm starting to turn around on Robinson. Solid guy. The NBA is not really a post up league now. They were talking about clearing the lane more. Bigs that play in front of the rim and can shoot are the future.

To win a championship we don't need an amazing backcourt. We need a good PG/SF or PG/PF combo. We're not going to get a chance to draft this high in a long time. If we do, then you know that the Bullets are doing what they do best....and that is suck.

I would do anything to get two top five picks in this draft. I'd love to come away with some combo of Robinson/Beal/MKG/Barnes. I like what the Skins did because they went all in with RG3

I don't know much about next years draft class, but I do know we can get 2 solid and 1 possible all-star worthy starter in this draft. If that is what the draft is for, why horde picks in the future?

Would Sacramento trade their pick? I saw it mentioned, but I don't know if it was a serious thing.

[closg00]

I think Thomas Robinson is the front runner to be drafted to the wizards. Much as i love Beal game he going to be solid for any team he joins. But i see Thomas Robinson as a 20/10 guy a night and a future all star how can you pass up on someone like that?

It's smoke IMO, we are so starved for shooting that barring draft-night trades I think we're going SF + SG (Barnes + 2nd round SG) or SG + SF (Beal + 2nd round SF) I can't see us taking MKG when Singleton would be his back-up or the other way around.

[payitforward]

I'm starting to be more and more in the Beal camp. Crawford and #3 for #2 overall? Crawford is such a terrible chucker that I don't really see him as having much value, but Jordan might. If we could find a way to add Jenkins and Crowder later on, I'd be thrilled. Adding Beal, Crowder and Jenkins and dumping Blatche and Crawford would really change the composition of this team for the better.

I'd do this in a minute! In fact, I wish I could get rid of him twice!!

[Brenice]

Please explain to me what makes Beal better than Crawford? Crawford may be streaky and chuck, but at least he can create his own shot and shoot too. Both are slightly undersized.

I think Robinson is an over-achiever. Nothing wrong with that, but he has his professional limitations. He will be playing as a man among men now, instead of as a man among boys as a Jr. in college.

I'm leaning to drafting Barnes. He has legit size for his position, and can shoot. We already got creaters and defenders.

[closg00]

Please explain to me what makes Beal better than Crawford? Crawford may be streaky and chuck, but at least he can create his own shot and shoot too. Both are slightly undersized.

I think Robinson is an over-achiever. Nothing wrong with that, but he has his professional limitations. He will be playing as a man among men now, instead of as a man among boys as a Jr. in college.

I'm leaning to drafting Barnes. He has legit size for his position, and can shoot. We already got creaters and defenders.

We have one guy, Crawford, who can create his own shot and even he isn't that good at-it. Barnes isn't good at creating his own shot either, but he does have the other "tools"

[Zonkerbl]

nba.coms latest mock
http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/s ... index.html

Right. That is what I see happening. for 1, 2, 3, 4. Actually, I think that would be the way it goes down for 5, 6, 7, 8 as well. I think T Jones could go higher though.

God, it's really infuriating the difference in talent available at #6 this year vs. last year. How far down this year's draft do you have to go before you find someone Ves is better than?

[payitforward]

I don't get where all the love for Robinson comes from. He'll be a solid pro, certainly. And, yes, he has been an outstanding rebounder in the NCAA -- and rebounding translates pretty well to the league. Beyond that I don't get it.

Compare his and Booker's numbers as juniors. Robinson got 2.2 more boards per 40 minutes. That's a pretty big difference. On the other hand, he made .7 more FGs than Booker -- and took 3.2 more shots to do it! Trevor's eFG% was .58; Robinson's was .51 -- a big difference there.

Booker also had more blocks, more steals, and fewer turnovers per 40 minutes throughout college. He even shot the 3 a little bit (Robinson not at all). And in the league, Booker has clearly improved his ability to hit open jumpers -- he hits them with regularity.

Trevor has had a better FG% both his years in the league than Robinson had as an NCAA junior.

In every way except rebounding, Trevor Booker has consistently put up significantly better numbers than Thomas Robinson. His rebounding disadvantage brings them closer, but overall I don't see how Robinson is an upgrade -- let alone worthy of being our #3 pick.

[hands11]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... #pagebreak

Florida freshman shooting guard Bradley Beal has been compared to future Hall of Famer Ray Allen, but the player he tried to pattern his game after while growing up in St. Louis was Allen Iverson. Beal said he had the headband, the signature Reebok sneakers, the wristbands and even wore cornrows up until his freshman year in high school.

“I really mimicked him when I was younger,” Beal said. “He was a great point guard and I was a point guard when I was smaller. I eventually began to start shooting the ball and became a shooter and now I’m trying to put it all together.”

“I take pride in my defense,” Beal said. “I love playing defense because defense leads to your offense. It’s all fun in the game. I can use my length on people and my size to take up space and create bad shots. . . . I’m an all-around player. I don’t like to limit myself to being a shooter.”

Beal also feels he shares one quality with Iverson, and that is a desire to attack the basket. The middle of five brothers, Beal was the one who decided to stop playing football to focus on basketball once the recruiting letters came in from the top hoops programs. But the former quarterback, receiver and safety said he still has a football players’ mentality; he’s not afraid of getting hit.

“Physicality is all a part of the game,” he said. “There is always going to be contact and I love to draw contact. That’s how you get easy points that way and get easy fouls on the opposing teams. If you get in there, battle a little bit, you’re going to get banged up, you’re going to get hit. That’s part of the game. You can’t be soft.”

Beal actually believes his game more closely resembles that of Eric Gordon.

So for those that wanted Gordon as a FA. Do we pay a lot for him or draft Beal and pay him like 3M

[Ruzious]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wizards-insider/post/bradley-beal-hopes-to-establish-own-identity-in-nba/2012/06/14/gJQAOT9DcV_blog.html#pagebreak

Florida freshman shooting guard Bradley Beal has been compared to future Hall of Famer Ray Allen, but the player he tried to pattern his game after while growing up in St. Louis was Allen Iverson. Beal said he had the headband, the signature Reebok sneakers, the wristbands and even wore cornrows up until his freshman year in high school.

“I really mimicked him when I was younger,” Beal said. “He was a great point guard and I was a point guard when I was smaller. I eventually began to start shooting the ball and became a shooter and now I’m trying to put it all together.”

“I take pride in my defense,” Beal said. “I love playing defense because defense leads to your offense. It’s all fun in the game. I can use my length on people and my size to take up space and create bad shots. . . . I’m an all-around player. I don’t like to limit myself to being a shooter.”

Beal actually believes his game more closely resembles that of Eric Gordon.

So for those that wanted Gordon as a FA. Do we pay a lot for him or draft Beal and pay him like 3M

Right. Why kill all cap flexibility to get Gordon when they can get Beal - who has a good shot to be just as good as Gordon?

[7-Day Dray]

Right. Why kill all cap flexibility to get Gordon when they can get Beal - who has a good shot to be just as good as Gordon?

Except Gordon has better athletic tools. Not saying that I'd offer the max for Gordon (even though I'd like to get him), but I'm not buying that there's a good chance that he becomes as good as Gordon.

[Zonkerbl]

Please explain to me what makes Beal better than Crawford? Crawford may be streaky and chuck, but at least he can create his own shot and shoot too. Both are slightly undersized.

I think Robinson is an over-achiever. Nothing wrong with that, but he has his professional limitations. He will be playing as a man among men now, instead of as a man among boys as a Jr. in college.

I'm leaning to drafting Barnes. He has legit size for his position, and can shoot. We already got creaters and defenders.

Creating your own shot is overrated, especially with Wall on the team. What we need is someone who can knock down open shots after a pass from Wall. Like Cartier Martin or Roger Mason. Except better.

We also need defensive rebounding but I think the distance between Seraphin and Trob is much smaller than the distance between Crawford and Beal.

I should put the following caveat in my sig, because I seem to want to say it at the end of each post: My preference is for Beal, but if Ernie decides Trob (or MKG for that matter) is clearly the better player I wouldn't complain if he picked either of them.

[DCZards]

Jive, you make a good argument that you can’t build a championship around a team whose two best players are the SG & PG. While I’m solidly in the Beal camp, I don’t disagree with that. So that leaves us with MKG, Robinson and Barnes, who is starting to get more and more love on this board.

Just as you can’t build a championship team around two guards, you also can’t build a championship around a lineup where your two best players are also your two worst shooters. So, imo, that eliminates matching MKG with Wall. There’s a lot to like about MKG, just ask Dat, but his poor shooting is real a problem if he’s expected to play SF. And Some of what he gives the Zards they already have in Ves.

I’ve said all along that TRob is the safest pick in this draft. His rebounding, toughness, leadership and effort will easily transfer over to the NBA, imo. And I think Robinson will be a good enough offensive player to average 14-16 pts. But TRob also has the lowest ceiling. I think what you see is what you’ll get with him and, while he’ll be a very good NBA player, I don’t think he’ll ever be a great player.

Barnes is more and more intriguing. We saw how he struggled during the tournament, especially when Marshall got hurt. But UNC had to go with what was essentially their third string guards after Marshall got hurt (its two other top guards were already out) so some of Barnes’ issues may have had to do with the fact that he had little or no perimeter help. Barnes also seems to struggle taking people of the draft and getting to the rim. But his strengths are also pretty good obvious—he’s a very good shooter, has good size for a SF as well as a strong body, and is apparently an exceptional athlete, though you can’t always tell that. He’s also a decent defender. The question with Harrison is how badly does he want to be an NBA star. If he wants it bad enough, I think he’ll improve on his weaknesses and some team is going to be very, very happy that they drafted him.

Then, of course, there is Andre Drummond. Drafting him may be a scary idea but his potential is even more scary.

Right now, I’m still taking Beal over the whole bunch. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

[Ruzious]

Right. Why kill all cap flexibility to get Gordon when they can get Beal - who has a good shot to be just as good as Gordon?

Except Gordon has better athletic tools. Not saying that I'd offer the max for Gordon (even though I'd like to get him), but I'm not buying that there's a good chance that he becomes as good as Gordon.

If Gordon has better athletic tools, it ain't by much. I think there's a very good chance that Beal will be at least as good as Gordon. As discussed before, people here tend to overrate Gordon, imo.

[DCZards]

Except Gordon has better athletic tools. Not saying that I'd offer the max for Gordon (even though I'd like to get him), but I'm not buying that there's a good chance that he becomes as good as Gordon.

You say that based on what? Certainly not Beal's rebounding or shotblocking at the college level or his showing at the recent NBA combine.

[Dark Faze]

Given portlands needs i really dont understand why we cant trade for the #6. Id offer booker, crawford and vesely. No way they say no. Beal/Barnes pairing.

[Ruzious]

Please explain to me what makes Beal better than Crawford? Crawford may be streaky and chuck, but at least he can create his own shot and shoot too. Both are slightly undersized.

I think Robinson is an over-achiever. Nothing wrong with that, but he has his professional limitations. He will be playing as a man among men now, instead of as a man among boys as a Jr. in college.

I'm leaning to drafting Barnes. He has legit size for his position, and can shoot. We already got creaters and defenders.

Creating your own shot is overrated, especially with Wall on the team. What we need is someone who can knock down open shots after a pass from Wall. Like Cartier Martin or Roger Mason. Except better.

We also need defensive rebounding but I think the distance between Seraphin and Trob is much smaller than the distance between Crawford and Beal.

I should put the following caveat in my sig, because I seem to want to say it at the end of each post: My preference is for Beal, but if Ernie decides Trob (or MKG for that matter) is clearly the better player I wouldn't complain if he picked either of them.

Agreed - and the type of shots that Crawford creates are generally counter-productive and unnecessary.

[Jay81]

Please explain to me what makes Beal better than Crawford? Crawford may be streaky and chuck, but at least he can create his own shot and shoot too. Both are slightly undersized.

I think Robinson is an over-achiever. Nothing wrong with that, but he has his professional limitations. He will be playing as a man among men now, instead of as a man among boys as a Jr. in college.

I'm leaning to drafting Barnes. He has legit size for his position, and can shoot. We already got creaters and defenders.

Creating your own shot is overrated, especially with Wall on the team. What we need is someone who can knock down open shots after a pass from Wall. Like Cartier Martin or Roger Mason. Except better.

We also need defensive rebounding but I think the distance between Seraphin and Trob is much smaller than the distance between Crawford and Beal.

I should put the following caveat in my sig, because I seem to want to say it at the end of each post: My preference is for Beal, but if Ernie decides Trob (or MKG for that matter) is clearly the better player I wouldn't complain if he picked either of them.

to me creating your own shot means you need to be ball dominant and do alot of one on one shot. We just need someone to hit a shot

[Jay81]

which is better

drafting Trob and signing Eric Gordon

or drafting beal and signing Illysaova?

[Dark Faze]

which is better

drafting Trob and signing Eric Gordon

or drafting beal and signing Illysaova?

Lol