SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[uuaarrgh]

Iguodala is the one going........

If we grab Ross or Waiters or Beal(longshot), Turner slides to SF

Thats how its gonna shake out..........if we trade Andre for a big man.

Is there any chance we go after another pick, lets say top 5? You mentioned Beal, who I think goes between 3-7. Is there any chance with our assets to get a top 5 pick?

[SJSF]

Iguodalas knees sure didn't look "aging" at any point in the playoffs this year. Ask Pierce and Korver how they feel about his aging knees.

Cool story bro. That doesn't change the fact that Andre will turn 29 years old next year and it is a KNOWN FACT that he has been battling chondromalacia in his right knee. That is a chronic condition and will continue to get worse.

Also his whole game is based on his defensive quickness and jumping ability. He is on the downside of his career. WHatever team trades for him and resigns him for a big number will be crying later.

[SparksFly87]

Ryan Anderson s&t for Thad Young same age. Ryan Anderson is a great shooter and rebounder 2 skills we need.

[SJSF]

Just say no to OJ Mayo

[PhilasFinest]

I would FA target Landry Feild, Chase , Wilson Chandler and Chandler Parsons.

Are any of those guys actually FA's?

Chandler resigned with Denver last season. Fields n parsons are both still on rookie deals.

[SparksFly87]

I would FA target Landry Feild, Chase , Wilson Chandler and Chandler Parsons.

Are any of those guys actually FA's?

Chandler resigned with Denver last season. Fields n parsons are both still on rookie deals.

Restricted. I would trade 15th pick for Chandler. If Iggy is trade for 5 or another big man.

[uuaarrgh]

Any interest in top 5 pick? Any interest in JJ Hickson?Are there any FA- Big Men, which we like?

[Bring Back 1983]

Couple of thoughts based on the recent posts (in this thread and the parallel thread on Thorn's departure):

If we had listened to Thorn and traded for Kaman, we likely would never have seen the potential in Lavoy Allen. In which case we would be irate watching him develop as a cheap back-up big signed on a 3 year deal with the Thunder next season.

I think we are trading up in the draft but I don't think Iggy (or any of the Jrue/ET/Thad/Vucevic group) is the chip we are using to do it. Don't know that it's top 5 but I get a good feeling about top 10.

Really glad AI wore his Lou jersey in Game 6 of the ECSF for his home finale.

If I see Elton Brand in a Sixers jersey at the beginning of the season, I'm starting "bring back Snyder" chants at the home opener.

[Do the Jrue]

If Iggy, Jrue, Thad, ET, Vucevic or Lavoy Allen isn't the trade piece we're using to move up in the draft then who the hell is? We barely have anybody else besides that group even under contract for next year.

[SJSF]

Sixer will not trade up. Trading up does not make you a better team. ANd trading Iggy for a draft pick loses him as a trade chip for Gasol or Jefferson. Those 2 players make the Sixer s alot better faster then drafting some young 19 year old kid. I would certainly do a sign and trade for Anderson for the Magic for Thad.

[Mik317]

Sixer will not trade up. Trading up does not make you a better team. ANd trading Iggy for a draft pick loses him as a trade chip for Gasol or Jefferson. Those 2 players make the Sixer s alot better faster then drafting some young 19 year old kid. I would certainly do a sign and trade for Anderson for the Magic for Thad.

Yeah for two seasons and then we would be in the same **** but with less ammo to do anything. You add another guy to the young "core" and if he;s great then awesome move. If he's just okay then same **** but with younger dudes. If he sucks then hey lottery time.

You add Pau or Al Jeff and you get two more seasons of second round finishes and 15-18 draft picks and do nothing but add mediocre talent until they leave and you are basically left with the same situation. Also Pau and Al Jeff aren't exactly winners. Pau hasn't won **** without Kobe. And Al Jeff just got swept (after making the playoff for the first time in his life).

Now I do agree with the message in that perhaps going crazy young only hurts us but those two guys are not the answer either. So it's either go crazy young, Add Pau or Al for two seasons of second round fun, or stay pat and try to add to Brand's spot.

I'm going young, the payoff is the best and the downside is also fine as it doesn't leave us in Limbo.

[M3]

IMO the NBA is a copycat league, so once the Thunder win the championship the new trend will be go young and draft to build a championship team. The old trend of signing other star veterans or trading for them to add to your star, only worked once with Boston and clearly hasn't worked with Miami and the Knicks.
So I think the Sixers will either trade AI to acquire another first round pick (not just move up) and a vetern C or PG. Or look at the roster and say AI is still pretty young and use all three picks to build this roster while resigning Lou, letting Hawes walk, and possibly trading Brand at the trade deadline to acquire picks in the next draft, all while hoping to find a diamond in the rough among those picks that can be their star.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Easier said than done. Not every team gets 3 top 5 picks that all turn out to be stars on top of it like the Thunder.

I think in most cases you need a good combination of vets and draft picks.

[Eyeamok]

Sixer will not trade up. Trading up does not make you a better team. ANd trading Iggy for a draft pick loses him as a trade chip for Gasol or Jefferson. Those 2 players make the Sixer s alot better faster then drafting some young 19 year old kid. I would certainly do a sign and trade for Anderson for the Magic for Thad.

Yeah for two seasons and then we would be in the same **** but with less ammo to do anything. You add another guy to the young "core" and if he;s great then awesome move. If he's just okay then same **** but with younger dudes. If he sucks then hey lottery time.

You add Pau or Al Jeff and you get two more seasons of second round finishes and 15-18 draft picks and do nothing but add mediocre talent until they leave and you are basically left with the same situation. Also Pau and Al Jeff aren't exactly winners. Pau hasn't won **** without Kobe. And Al Jeff just got swept (after making the playoff for the first time in his life).

Now I do agree with the message in that perhaps going crazy young only hurts us but those two guys are not the answer either. So it's either go crazy young, Add Pau or Al for two seasons of second round fun, or stay pat and try to add to Brand's spot.

I'm going young, the payoff is the best and the downside is also fine as it doesn't leave us in Limbo.

+1000

I don't want to get better for a year or two and lose in the 2nd round (if we are lucky) go young build and let the chips fall where they may.

[Bring Back 1983]

I don't think it's as hard to move up the 5 to 6 slots to get in the top 10 as we are making it seem, especially in this draft where there is a lot of equal-ish talent in the 7 to 15 range. I can easily see Detroit or New Orleans moving back to 15 for a second round pick (non-guaranteed long-term contract) with some small salary relief that wouldn't cost us more than $5 to 6 million in cap space for this year and then drops after that. I could also see us buying a late first round pick to add with No. 15 if necessary for a deal (I'm looking at you at 28 and 30, Golden State and OKC). And that can be accomplished before trading Iggy or amnestying Brand.

I'm just pointing out that we have a lot of options in play that don't directly involve Iggy, Brand or the core 4 young guys I mentioned earlier.

[LongLiveHinkie]

It sucks that because of the way the league is set up, the Sixers are even in this position. You see teams in other leagues turn things around in a couple seasons, and sometimes overnight. I mean, look at the position the Sixers are in. Every single potential deal makes you paranoid that it will derail the rebuilding process for multiple years. You can't just be excited about making your team a little bit better, because in the NBA making yourself a little bit better is basically worthless if you aren't a title contender.

This franchise had basically one season(2001 Finals team) in the last roughly 30 years where it was a true title contender. Some teams don't win championships for 30 years, but at least they can say they have a shot on most years. We've had one shot in almost 3 decades. It's insane and depressing at the same time.

[M3]

Easier said than done. Not every team gets 3 top 5 picks that all turn out to be stars on top of it like the Thunder.

I think in most cases you need a good combination of vets and draft picks.

You speak the truth, but every GM will hope they can repeat this with their high draft picks and sell it to the fanbase that they are following the Thunder model by going young and developing those picks into stars that can win for an extended period of time. It will work to save some GM jobs because any improvement in record will be seen as "growth" and that next step toward becoming the champs of the future. I don't agree with this therory in all cases, but you will see it happen.
Also the veterns will come once they see the potential in your talent (Fisher to OKC) and you can also get a vet by trading your not so star talent players for a good vet Jeff Green traded for K. Perkins.

[KKell2507]

I don't think it's as hard to move up the 5 to 6 slots to get in the top 10 as we are making it seem, especially in this draft where there is a lot of equal-ish talent in the 7 to 15 range. I can easily see Detroit or New Orleans moving back to 15 for a second round pick (non-guaranteed long-term contract) with some small salary relief that wouldn't cost us more than $5 to 6 million in cap space for this year and then drops after that. I could also see us buying a late first round pick to add with No. 15 if necessary for a deal (I'm looking at you at 28 and 30, Golden State and OKC). And that can be accomplished before trading Iggy or amnestying Brand.

I'm just pointing out that we have a lot of options in play that don't directly involve Iggy, Brand or the core 4 young guys I mentioned earlier.

I completely agree. I think the talent is in levels, but there are so many at each level, that teams up high are willing to trade down or completely out to acquire more assets.

To me its these levels of talent/potential:
Level 1 - Davis
Level 2 - (2-6) - Robinson, Beal, MKG, Barnes, Drummond
Level 3 - (7-13) -Sullinger, Lillard, Lamb, Henson, Waiters, Leonard, PJIII
Level 4 - (14-21) - Rivers, Marshall, Zeller, T. Jones, Ross, Moultrie, Harkless, White
then the rest.

Basically barring a superstar being offered, Level 1 will be impossible to get to obviously. Right now were right at the top of Level 4 where we would pretty much get our choice of almost any of those, with the slim chance that a Level 3 guy falls to us.

I see it as Iguodala could get us a pick in Level 3 by himself(if we take on salary fillers). I really believe that, if we wanted to take it. I think Iguodala with the 15th and another piece(2nd rders or future protected 1sts) could get us into the bottom of Level 2 if we take on a bad contract in return(Im looking at you Sactown).

The way I look at it, if we are truly going to be aggressive, and the only sure guys that are coming back are Jrue, Turner, Thad, Vucevic, and Allen(average age of 22.4), why would we trade Iguodala for Pau(age 32) or Al jefferson(age 27)? Id much rather move up in the draft and add players that keep the average age at 22. Coming out of this draft with a Level 3 and a Level 4 guy(or two Level 3 guys if one slips) and I think this team will have a very bright future and will be headed in the right direction finally.

[Chamberlainship]

Young teams don't win in the nba. Isn't that the cliche?

we're very young already, but I remember Collins saying once that all great teams are built through the draft.

[Tension]

Young teams don't win in the nba. Isn't that the cliche?

we're very young already, but I remember Collins saying once that all great teams are built through the draft.

As we watch OKC currently playing in the Finals