Ariza for #10?

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Ariza for #10? 

Post#1 » by blackham9258 » Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:09 am

If reports are true that NOLA will drop #10 by someone taking on Ariza's salary of $7.4Mper for 2 seasons, I am on board. Send them the TPE and get it done...

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Post#2 » by Spottieottie » Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:11 am

Um yeah total no brainer. If only
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Post#3 » by finnegan » Thu Jun 7, 2012 10:55 am

I wish that he was more of a 3pt threat, but he doesn't seem that overpaid, so #10 seems like reasonable compensation for taking on an SF which is a position where we have a need.
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Re: Ariza for #10? 

Post#4 » by reapaman » Thu Jun 7, 2012 11:08 am

The report said "Hornets will entertain offers for 10th pick if someone also agrees to take Ariza or Okafor contracts". The key word is "also". They want more then a salary dump so don't get too excited.
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Post#5 » by Hikari » Thu Jun 7, 2012 1:37 pm

I would do it. Both Okafor and Ariza are eligible to be amnestied. If their contract was going to get in the way they can be taken care of. This is a better use of the amnesty than using it on Bell.

Some does depend on what else they want.
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Post#6 » by kebutah » Thu Jun 7, 2012 1:47 pm

You can't amnesty a player who wasn't on your team at CBA signing.
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Post#7 » by blackham9258 » Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:35 pm

I would add a protected first next year for him. The best scenario for us would be to send Raja and our protected first nexy year to them for trevor. But I would still do it if it didn't include raja. Getting a tgop 10 pick in this loaded draft is huge!
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Post#8 » by habibadobe » Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:11 pm

I would expect they would be looking for some players back in the deal. Wonder if Millsap or Jefferson for Ariza or Okafor and the #10 could work.
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Post#9 » by QuantumMacgyver » Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:44 pm

habibadobe wrote:I would expect they would be looking for some players back in the deal. Wonder if Millsap or Jefferson for Ariza or Okafor and the #10 could work.


Whoa dude! You'd trade Millsap and a future first for Ariza and the 10?! Or are you just wondering if Millsap straight across for the 10 and Ariza? That's waaaaaaaay too much to give up. Everyone still thinks this is a loaded draft. It's not that special outside the top 5 or so. Every player after 5 seems to have one thing they do well and at least one glaring weakness. I might move Millsap to land Beal, but anyone after that, even Barnes would be a huge stretch.
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Post#10 » by erudite23 » Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:19 pm

I would do Jefferson for Okafor or Ariza and #10 in a freakin' heartbeat. I might even throw in a future (heavily protected) 1st as part of the package, too.

We really need to get value out of Jefferson THIS offseason. I don't think you can afford to go into TC with him on the roster.
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Post#11 » by carrottop12 » Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:53 pm

erudite23 wrote:I would do Jefferson for Okafor or Ariza and #10 in a freakin' heartbeat. I might even throw in a future (heavily protected) 1st as part of the package, too.

We really need to get value out of Jefferson THIS offseason. I don't think you can afford to go into TC with him on the roster.


I agree, once we get into the season I think Jefferson loses most of his value, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who can come in and help a team with out a full training camp, he was really slow to learn our offense.

If we can get any kind of upgrade on what we gave up for him, which was two first rounders and Kosta Koufos, I think we should take it. BTW, I don't think it would be all that hard to get more than that back, Al has improved his value by both becoming a starter on a playoff team, and by having a shorter contract now.
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Post#12 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Thu Jun 7, 2012 6:30 pm

Jefferson and Bell for Ariza and Okafor works.

I'd be EXTREMELY tempted to do that deal... the Jazz can afford to eat up their contracts for the next couple years and we could always ship them off next season when they're expiring. I've always liked both Ariza and Okafor... I wanted the Jazz to make a run at Ariza when he was a FA.

It makes a lot of sense to me. We lose the low post scoring of Jefferson but Okafor should be better defensively. Ariza and Hayward would make an awesome 2/3 lineup for us...

It makes a lot of sense for NOH too. Jefferson alongside of Davis would help take a lot of the scoring pressure off of him until he develops a consistent low post game.
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Re: Ariza for #10? 

Post#13 » by SoCalJazzFan » Thu Jun 7, 2012 8:23 pm

Although I would prefer Iggy over Ariza, giving up $7M of Okur's TPE for Ariza and the 10th pick is a no brainer. Ariza is a big upgrade from CJ and Howard and his contract isn't that bad and expires at the time Favors and Hawyard need to be resigned. Plus, who else are the Jazz going to use the TPE for within the next year?

However, there is NOOOO way that the Jazz pick up Okafor. He is getting old, has knee issues, and is way, way to expensive for his production.
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Post#14 » by SoCalJazzFan » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:09 pm

There is still the rumor that NO wants to trade the #10 pick- http://twitter.com/#!/AlexKennedyNBA. Apparently, they want a guard and "the right deal" in return.

Who could they want as a starter PG who is better than Jarret Jack that they could realisitically get? Maybe Lowry if Houston wants to unload him and stick with Dragic? Maybe Lin with a sign and trade? I really don't know.

Could the Jazz dangle DHarris out there and make a deal? Would you? What in addition would probably be required?
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Re: Ariza for #10? 

Post#15 » by babyjax13 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:04 am

If Devin Harris or Kyle Lowry were any better than Jack then I'm sure that would be appealing. Jack is severely underrated.
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Post#16 » by SoCalJazzFan » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:04 pm

If the Hornets really want to knock down their expenses, the following could work:

Jazz out- Harris, $7.2M TPE

Hornets return- Jack, Ariza, and #10 pick.

The Jazz are only 1 of three teams that can offer the TPE for Ariza (only Lakers and Nuggets have a TPE large enough to swallow Ariza's contract).

Why Jazz do it- Ariza has his faults, but is probably an upgrade over Howard and/or CJ Miles. Jack is at least as good as Harris, so long as his broken foot heals fine. With the #10 pick, Jazz could possibly draft their PG of the future, or at least a decent player. Although they give up a chunk of Okur's TPE and take on more salary, spread amongst 3 players it is not that bad of a deal.

Why the Hornets do it- They take on a veteran PG who probably can produce more in a system better suited for him that has an $8.5 M expiring contract, they get the flexibility of a $7M TPE, and most importantly unload $15M of salary (about $25M over 2 years) and only take back $8.5M (or less if they trade Harris by the deadline).
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Re: Ariza for #10? 

Post#17 » by babyjax13 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:58 pm

That's a joke of a trade for New Orleans. Jack>Harris, not to mention the disparity in value between a somewhat productive player and the 10th pick in a deep draft. They'd be better off shopping Ariza for a TPE alone (I'm sure a team like the Lakers would be interested) and shopping Jack for another pick and prospect. This trade is about right if you take out the pick....
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