SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[Sixerscan]

How quickly people forget his WARRIOR mentality to NOT BE DENIED in game 3 late vs. Chicago. Do you remember him driving to the bucket, relentlessly, getting his own rebound, getting fouled and hitting both shots? That is the mentality we need. I want him on my team.

Big freaking deal. Cherry pick all you want. How about how he got outplayed by a guy on one leg in game 7 of the conference semis? How about Rondo destroying him at the end of that game? The guy shot under 45% in 10 of the 13 playoff games we were in. He was awful during the playoffs and anyone who says otherwise is living in a dream world.

Holiday shot under 45% in 7 games...and in 2 games, shot 46%. He shot 41% in the playoffs. Not much better than Turner.

With that said, I value Holiday more to this team, without a doubt.

Just pointing out that your stats, like your posts, are pretty lame.

Yeah Jrue also shot 40% from 3 and 86% from the line. Turner does nothing from either of those areas so his FG% is a little more important. Holiday's TS% was 52% while Turner's was 42%.

And I was being nice, not only was he under 45 fg% in 10 of the games, he was under 40% in 9 of them.

But yeah, 41% is a better than 36%

Anyway, who said Holiday was on the whole good offensively during the playoffs? You're the one acting like Turner's playoff performance was good, when it was awful.

[Typeical]

How quickly people forget his WARRIOR mentality to NOT BE DENIED in game 3 late vs. Chicago. Do you remember him driving to the bucket, relentlessly, getting his own rebound, getting fouled and hitting both shots? That is the mentality we need. I want him on my team.

Big freaking deal. Cherry pick all you want. How about how he got outplayed by a guy on one leg in game 7 of the conference semis? How about Rondo destroying him at the end of that game? The guy shot under 45% in 10 of the 13 playoff games we were in. He was awful during the playoffs and anyone who says otherwise is living in a dream world.

Holiday shot under 45% in 7 games...and in 2 games, shot 46%. He shot 41% in the playoffs. Not much better than Turner.

With that said, I value Holiday more to this team, without a doubt. My point was I want Turner as my PG. I want Jrue as my 2, like many on this board.

Just pointing out that your stats, like your posts, are pretty lame. I enjoy reading other posters on this board. And I can say the same for the conglomerate of friends I have that observe, not post.

to your point on the assists...again, its worthless. meaningless. Turner doesn't have the ball in is hands like Jrue did. He often got it late in the shot clock. Your stats make absolutely no points.

I dont get it. Jrue has much mre potential as a 1 than a 2. If the sixers believed Turner would be better suited at PG, they would have put him there by now. Turner IMO is a 2 with good passing abillity , passisng ability that doesnt surpass Jrue's or Iggy.

[Sixerscan]

Just pointing out that your stats, like your posts, are pretty lame. I enjoy reading other posters on this board. And I can say the same for the conglomerate of friends I have that observe, not post.

If your conglomerate of friends think Turners a point guard I don't have a very high opinion of their knowledge. Collins said the same thing during the year, and I don't know if it was to pump up turner's confidence or what, but it's complete bs.

to your point on the assists...again, its worthless. meaningless. Turner doesn't have the ball in is hands like Jrue did. He often got it late in the shot clock. Your stats make absolutely no points.

Best excuse yet.

Like I said, the same thing happened with him in college. He's not a point guard. Never has been, never will be.

[EugeneBWhitaker]

I just wonder how Turner would have looked in college playing in one of the better conferences, against teams like Kentucky, and Kansas and the ACC twice a year. I am less impressed with a play who dominates the big 10 then a player who can dominate the upper echelon. I do not feel that the big 10 is at the top of the college basketball world, and I often wonder if the type of basketball that seems to dominate the big 10 is poor in comparison to the game played in the NBA

[76erStu]

I think if Evan was given primary ball handling and distributing responsibilities, and Holiday was given more of a scorer's license as a pure shooting guard, the team would be better off.

Doug Collins has not done that, and he has for better basketball knowledge than I do. So the argument against me by the vast majority of people here, well I get it.

That is just my humble opinion. This board exists for discussion, and is a democracy by nature.

[Sixerscan]

Well yeah, if I didn't want to discuss it with you I would go start a blog or something.

I'm always more than willing to listen to well thought out arguments, and if I think they are wrong or based on a faulty assumption I will point out why.

I just haven't heard any sound argument that Turner is eventually going to turn into a franchise corner stone. The evidence against is pretty daunting.

[EugeneBWhitaker]

I think if Evan was given primary ball handling and distributing responsibilities, and Holiday was given more of a scorer's license as a pure shooting guard, the team would be better off.

Doug Collins has not done that, and he has for better basketball knowledge than I do. So the argument against me by the vast majority of people here, well I get it.

That is just my humble opinion. This board exists for discussion, and is a democracy by nature.

In a democracy, facts should carry the day. You have no facts on your side to make your argument persuasive so you seem to fall back on name calling and the kind of analysis not worth of Fox News. The facts are that Evan Turner has shown nothing in two years that supports your belief that he will suddenly get better. The fact that he did not improve his shooting between year one and year two, when he worked on it, actually provides evidence against your democratic argument, but you ignore the facts

I understand that in modern America ignoring the truth is considered democratic. Sticking to your beliefs in the face over overwhelming evidence is not very democratic. It is very religious, but religion is not democracy

[Do the Jrue]

If we're really saying that Turner is a point guard he might as well be a poor mans Jarrett Jack. Seriously. Dude is a wing player.

[76erStu]

I think if Evan was given primary ball handling and distributing responsibilities, and Holiday was given more of a scorer's license as a pure shooting guard, the team would be better off.

Doug Collins has not done that, and he has for better basketball knowledge than I do. So the argument against me by the vast majority of people here, well I get it.

That is just my humble opinion. This board exists for discussion, and is a democracy by nature.

In a democracy, facts should carry the day. You have no facts on your side to make your argument persuasive so you seem to fall back on name calling and the kind of analysis not worth of Fox News. The facts are that Evan Turner has shown nothing in two years that supports your belief that he will suddenly get better. The fact that he did not improve his shooting between year one and year two, when he worked on it, actually provides evidence against your democratic argument, but you ignore the facts

I understand that in modern America ignoring the truth is considered democratic. Sticking to your beliefs in the face over overwhelming evidence is not very democratic. It is very religious, but religion is not democracy

This might be the single worst post I have ever read on this board.

[Typeical]

Is SF1976 around?? I wonder if the front office would have any interest in signing gerald green?

[76erStu]

Sixerscan, I am curious...would you do the Utah deal for Al Jeff? (with Iggy going there). Personally, I would not. I would prefer the Toronto deal, and the LAL deal with Gasol (if that is a possibility).

[phillysixed]

If we're really saying that Turner is a point guard he might as well be a poor mans Jarrett Jack. Seriously. Dude is a wing player.

Was about to post the same thing. He's shown flashes of being a playmaker but I think there's a few things that make him better suited for the 3 instead of the 2:

- Lack of ability to create off the dribble
- Poor shooting thus far in his career
- Great rebounding potential

He's clearly not as good as Iguodala at defending but maybe with time and putting in work he becomes close to his level. We know Iggy has maxed out as a player. As others have pointed out his value around the league will never be higher so why not deal him?

[Mik317]

Evan Turner is tearing us apart....Lisa.

[EugeneBWhitaker]

If we're really saying that Turner is a point guard he might as well be a poor mans Jarrett Jack. Seriously. Dude is a wing player.

Was about to post the same thing. He's shown flashes of being a playmaker but I think there's a few things that make him better suited for the 3 instead of the 2:

- Lack of ability to create off the dribble
- Poor shooting thus far in his career
- Great rebounding potential

He's clearly not as good as Iguodala at defending but maybe with time and putting in work he becomes close to his level. We know Iggy has maxed out as a player. As others have pointed out his value around the league will never be higher so why not deal him?

I don't think Evan Turner has shown anything in his two seasons to believe he will approach the level of Andre Iguodala in any aspect of the game

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

^Oh come on.... He's alreaady a better ball handler, and rebounder than Iguodala. You could argue that he's a better passer too. He's a better finisher and overall probably a better offensive player even at this time than Iguodala. Damn why the hate for Turner? Are you PointGod on a new account?

[Typeical]

If we're really saying that Turner is a point guard he might as well be a poor mans Jarrett Jack. Seriously. Dude is a wing player.

Was about to post the same thing. He's shown flashes of being a playmaker but I think there's a few things that make him better suited for the 3 instead of the 2:

- Lack of ability to create off the dribble
- Poor shooting thus far in his career
- Great rebounding potential

He's clearly not as good as Iguodala at defending but maybe with time and putting in work he becomes close to his level. We know Iggy has maxed out as a player. As others have pointed out his value around the league will never be higher so why not deal him?

Wait, turner is probaly the best shot creator on the team though

[EugeneBWhitaker]

^Oh come on.... He's alreaady a better ball handler, and rebounder than Iguodala. You could argue that he's a better passer too. He's a better finisher and overall probably a better offensive player even at this time than Iguodala. Damn why the hate for Turner? Are you PointGod on a new account?

You could argue that he is a better passer than Iguodala if that is your opinion. I do not believe you could support any of your assertions with strong factual evidence.

In his second year, Evan Turner is not better at anything than the best player on the roster of the Philadelphia Seventy-Sixers

[EugeneBWhitaker]

Wait, turner is probaly the best shot creator on the team though

It is quite easy to create your on shot when the other team prefers you to shoot rather than most anyone else on your team.

Creating your shot while not being a good shooter is not an asset

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

^So you are saying he's not even the better rebounder??? I mean Iguodala did average .5 more rebounds a game than Turner, but he also played nine more minutes than Turner did, and if you are going to tell me that Iguodala is a better finisher and creator than Turner then you are really way off.
And I think watching the games actually provides more "factual evidence" than whatever the hell you are trying to prove. I think you just want to start some $hit with your "factual evidence" crap.
"Ehhh factual evidence"

[Typeical]

Wait, turner is probaly the best shot creator on the team though

It is quite easy to create your on shot when the other team prefers you to shoot rather than most anyone else on your team.

Creating your shot while not being a good shooter is not an asset

Everyone know's he's not a good shooter. I'm just saying he's more of a natural scorer than some guys are suggesting. There's not alot of players than can handle the ball like him, mix that with his solid passing and vision. I have no problem, when he has the ball in his hands always looking to take a good shot, or pass it to a teammate who has a better shot. I dont beleive he's a PG but thats great quality to have.