1st rd pick general discussion #2 overall (Poll Added)

[JMAC3]

Your clearly a UNC homer.... I remember you being all for Barnes and the other Tar heals earlier.

Most Tar Heal fans aren't overly impressed with Barnes.... The last thing we need is to have him do the same thing for the Bobcats. And we become even more a laughing stock "All they do is draft guys from NC so fans will come to the game." I think those days should be over unless there is a cant miss prospect, which we all know Barnes is not. He will never live up to the number 2 pick and its going to be hard for any of these prospects to, but we will take the most heat if we take Barnes.

I do not want Barnes here and him being a Tar Heal is only making that feeling grow.

I am an Indiana Basketball fan, before anybody says I am saying this cause I am a Duke or State fan.

I like Appalachian State- not UNC. Your above conclusion is ridiculously flawed, you didn't base any of the above on his skills or fit with the team, essentially your post was useless. If your going to post a response which makes a claim or such please include some remote hint of substance.

With that stated Barnes just so happens to be a great fit for our team, he can pop and shoot, hit the three, play well off the ball, play defense, and comes at a position of need. No other player in the draft is as ideal a fit as Barnes. Furthermore as proven by his combine numbers Barnes is an excellent athlete, better than most players in the NBA in fact- which should also be important when deciding to draft a player. I couldn't care less if Barnes was from UNC or UCLA for that matter- I see a prospect with a good deal of potential who fits a position of need for our team while bringing skills currently lacking within the organization.

Let me guess you go to App State... which makes you a fan of them. After that is UNC which is actually your favorite team. You only seem to comment on Barnes which is strange if you are not a fan of his or UNC. I think you should do some research on other players before you act like you know everything.

Barnes can not do anything in Isos. He can only score like you said if you give him the ball wide open off pick and pops and open threes. He is an ok defender which will be more exposed at the next level. I think he will be an average defender, so at least he wont be a weakness, but I do not call it a strength.

I think Barnes is going to be very inconsistent at the next level. Some nights he will hit his shots and go for 20, but other nights he is going to be forced to put the ball on the floor and create his own shots which will result in single digit nights or he will force up shots and be very ineffecient.

I thought his weaknesses have already been said about 200 times between this thread and his own thread so I went the UNC route. I clearly know his strenghts and weaknesses so if you want me to continue to harp on why he will be a good player, but nothing special then I can continue.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Your clearly a UNC homer.... I remember you being all for Barnes and the other Tar heals earlier.

Most Tar Heal fans aren't overly impressed with Barnes.... The last thing we need is to have him do the same thing for the Bobcats. And we become even more a laughing stock "All they do is draft guys from NC so fans will come to the game." I think those days should be over unless there is a cant miss prospect, which we all know Barnes is not. He will never live up to the number 2 pick and its going to be hard for any of these prospects to, but we will take the most heat if we take Barnes.

I do not want Barnes here and him being a Tar Heal is only making that feeling grow.

I am an Indiana Basketball fan, before anybody says I am saying this cause I am a Duke or State fan.

I like Appalachian State- not UNC. Your above conclusion is ridiculously flawed, you didn't base any of the above on his skills or fit with the team, essentially your post was useless. If your going to post a response which makes a claim or such please include some remote hint of substance.

With that stated Barnes just so happens to be a great fit for our team, he can pop and shoot, hit the three, play well off the ball, play defense, and comes at a position of need. No other player in the draft is as ideal a fit as Barnes. Furthermore as proven by his combine numbers Barnes is an excellent athlete, better than most players in the NBA in fact- which should also be important when deciding to draft a player. I couldn't care less if Barnes was from UNC or UCLA for that matter- I see a prospect with a good deal of potential who fits a position of need for our team while bringing skills currently lacking within the organization.

Let me guess you go to App State... which makes you a fan of them. After that is UNC which is actually your favorite team. You only seem to comment on Barnes which is strange if you are not a fan of his or UNC. I think you should do some research on other players before you act like you know everything.

Let me guess you go to Indiana... which makes you a fan of them. After that is Florida which is actually your favorite team. You only seem to comment on Beal which is strange if you are not a fan of his or Florida. I think you should do some research on other players before you act like you know everything.

[penquin11]

Let me guess you go to App State... which makes you a fan of them. After that is UNC which is actually your favorite team. You only seem to comment on Barnes which is strange if you are not a fan of his or UNC. I think you should do some research on other players before you act like you know everything.

Barnes can not do anything in Isos. He can only score like you said if you give him the ball wide open off pick and pops and open threes. He is an ok defender which will be more exposed at the next level. I think he will be an average defender, so at least he wont be a weakness, but I do not call it a strength.

I think Barnes is going to be very inconsistent at the next level. Some nights he will hit his shots and go for 20, but other nights he is going to be forced to put the ball on the floor and create his own shots which will result in single digit nights or he will force up shots and be very ineffecient.

I thought his weaknesses have already been said about 200 times between this thread and his own thread so I went the UNC route. I clearly know his strenghts and weaknesses so if you want me to continue to harp on why he will be a good player, but nothing special then I can continue.

How cute, you made another assumption. I do attend App State, but Ive never liked or rooted for UNC. I actually was more an NC State fan before I started attending App State- but thats because their division 1 football team doesn't totally suck (Basketball is a relatively new interest to me), that stated I really hold no attachment to any program outside of App State's and never did. I have commented on Lamb, Barnes, P Jones,T Jones, Drummond, Beal, Davis, Lillard, MKG, Miller, Wroten, and Harkless in the past as well.

Also you are clearly misinformed about Barnes success in isolation. Barnes struggles when he is forced to dribble- however when he utilizes triple threat or his step-back in Iso he is unstoppable. And if you think Barnes can only score when wide open you haven't watched his tape- he took allot of contested shots and made a good deal of them. In short you actually have no damn clue about his strengths, which comes as no surprise because you don't seem to understand the basics of basketball, for example an isolation play is actually when a team attempts to spread the floor in order to open up a clean shot for the offensive player- therefore "isolating" the opposing defender.

[fatlever]

barnes would probably have a tough time here in charlotte on offense, at least until we got an inside presence and a really good point guard. he'll need spacing to get his shots off and a point guard to get him going. on a team like we had last year, with poor pg play and no post threat, teams would simply crowd barnes and force him to beat them off the dribble.

i love what he represents, but like many players in this draft, his success will probably be tied to team fit.

i agree with jmac that we would get a lot of crap from national media for selecting barnes and the pressure on him here would be massive. given what i said in my 1st paragraph and how he would probably struggle until we got a pg and a post threat, it seems like a bad fit.

i'd rather take MKG, know that we are getting a solid piece who will do all the dirty work and look for our 1st option on offense elsewhere. we aren't going to find that player in this draft.

[JMAC3]

barnes would probably have a tough time here in charlotte on offense, at least until we got an inside presence and a really good point guard. he'll need spacing to get his shots off and a point guard to get him going. on a team like we had last year, with poor pg play and no post threat, teams would simply crowd barnes and force him to beat them off the dribble.

i love what he represents, but like many players in this draft, his success will probably be tied to team fit.

i agree with jmac that we would get a lot of crap from national media for selecting barnes and the pressure on him here would be massive. given what i said in my 1st paragraph and how he would probably struggle until we got a pg and a post threat, it seems like a bad fit.

i'd rather take MKG, know that we are getting a solid piece who will do all the dirty work and look for our 1st option on offense elsewhere. we aren't going to find that player in this draft.

Thank you fats..

[JMAC3]

Let me guess you go to App State... which makes you a fan of them. After that is UNC which is actually your favorite team. You only seem to comment on Barnes which is strange if you are not a fan of his or UNC. I think you should do some research on other players before you act like you know everything.

Barnes can not do anything in Isos. He can only score like you said if you give him the ball wide open off pick and pops and open threes. He is an ok defender which will be more exposed at the next level. I think he will be an average defender, so at least he wont be a weakness, but I do not call it a strength.

I think Barnes is going to be very inconsistent at the next level. Some nights he will hit his shots and go for 20, but other nights he is going to be forced to put the ball on the floor and create his own shots which will result in single digit nights or he will force up shots and be very ineffecient.

I thought his weaknesses have already been said about 200 times between this thread and his own thread so I went the UNC route. I clearly know his strenghts and weaknesses so if you want me to continue to harp on why he will be a good player, but nothing special then I can continue.

How cute, you made another assumption. I do attend App State, but Ive never liked or rooted for UNC. I actually was more an NC State fan before I started attending App State- but thats because their division 1 football team doesn't totally suck (Basketball is a relatively new interest to me), that stated I really hold no attachment to any program outside of App State's and never did. I have commented on Lamb, Barnes, P Jones,T Jones, Drummond, Beal, Davis, Lillard, MKG, Miller, Wroten, and Harkless in the past as well.

Also you are clearly misinformed about Barnes success in isolation. Barnes struggles when he is forced to dribble- however when he utilizes triple threat or his step-back in Iso he is unstoppable. And if you think Barnes can only score when wide open you haven't watched his tape- he took allot of contested shots and made a good deal of them. In short you actually have no damn clue about his strengths, which comes as no surprise because you don't seem to understand the basics of basketball, for example an isolation play is actually when a team attempts to spread the floor in order to open up a clean shot for the offensive player- therefore "isolating" the opposing defender.

An isolation is a one on one play which is what Barnes struggles at. The purpose is normally to allow the ball handler space to get the rim with minimal help and if help comes more time is needed for defender to recover.

Haha you can call me out on grammar mistakes all day if you want because I am here to talk basketball not win a writing contest.

As far as me not knowing basics of basketball that is simply hilarious especially coming from a guy who says he just started following the sport. I have grown up playing basketball my whole life up until I decided to transfer from a d2 school to a university to try and walk on instead of playing at small school on **** scholarship. That and my dad is a high school basketball coach. I think I might know a bit about the game.

[SWedd523]

barnes would probably have a tough time here in charlotte on offense, at least until we got an inside presence and a really good point guard. he'll need spacing to get his shots off and a point guard to get him going. on a team like we had last year, with poor pg play and no post threat, teams would simply crowd barnes and force him to beat them off the dribble.

I've said that at least 5 times now.

Barnes is a great player to add in year 2-4 of the rebuild. If you have a legitimate first option or young star PG, then you go after a guy like Barnes. But he just doesn't have what it takes to deal with the pressure that comes with being the first choice of a franchise's true rebuild.

[Badd_Intentions]

Would you rather someone that can shoot but has issues with ball handling/iso or someone that can't shoot but can get to the rim? That's Harry and MKG. Both will give u good defense. I think it's easier to develop a shot rather over creativity/ball handling involved in getting to the rim or a good shot in iso.

I would take mkg over Harry. Trob and mkg is a toss up. I still haven't made up my mind as to which of those I'd rather have.

[HornetJail]

MKG's D is on a totally different level than Barnes.

[SWedd523]

Would you rather someone that can shoot but has issues with ball handling/iso or someone that can't shoot but can get to the rim? That's Harry and MKG. Both will give u good defense. I think it's easier to develop a shot rather over creativity/ball handling involved in getting to the rim or a good shot in iso.

I would take mkg over Harry. Trob and mkg is a toss up. I still haven't made up my mind as to which of those I'd rather have.

I'd much rather have elite ball handling to elite shooting if we're talking wings.

How many superstar wings can't beat their man every time down the floor and/or run the offense? I can't think of any.

How many superstar wings can't shoot? I can name a couple.


That said, Barnes isn't an elite shooter and MKG isn't an elite ball handler. But if you made me pick who would have a better chance of developing their weakness, it'd be MKG

[fatlever]

on a semi related note, espnu showed the 2011 mcdonalds game today. i watched most of it. never watched it last year. pretty cool to see so many of the top picks for this years draft in that game - davis, beal, mkg, rivers, teague.

davis was clearly the most impressive, but enough about him. he can go **** himself.

mkg was total team first player. he was the only guard/wing out there who wasnt just jacking up shots left and right. he actually did a lot of the ball handling and seemed to be playing some pg at times, even when beal was on the floor, it was mkg doing more ball handling and passing.

rivers had a nasty crossover and layup vs beal. given his recent measurements i am surprised he isnt getting more talk in that 6-10 range.

where was drummond?

[Elden Payton]

I'm not an expert fats but I do know that MKG is definitely better than advertised and because of his unselfish nature his versatility can be hidden.

Drummond reclassified right before the start of the college season instead of going to prep school, I'm pretty sure as a HS junior he wasn't eligible for the Mickey D's game.

Rivers out of Winter Park was considered a top three recruit, after his early season struggles and perceptions on athleticism and measurements he dropped off the map but when it's all said and done he will probably be a top ten pick.

Beal will be a good pro but not a top five talent from this draft imo.

[therebirth]

Isn't it weird how the national media refuses to acknowledge cho and act like mj is the gm. I have no doubt that cho and higgins are running the team. MJ spends most of his time in miami with his fiancee'. He is been in miami since thursday after the shaw interview. If he was running the draft or making the coaching decision he would have been in charlotte.

[Elden Payton]

Isn't it weird how the national media refuses to acknowledge cho and act like mj is the gm. I have no doubt that cho and higgins are running the team. MJ spends most of his time in miami with his fiancee'. He is been in miami since thursday after the shaw interview. If he was running the draft or making the coaching decision he would have been in charlotte.

It isn't weird because it is and always has been their agenda.

Don't worry when it all goes right Cho will get all the credit and MJ well....won't

[Stun704]

barnes would probably have a tough time here in charlotte on offense, at least until we got an inside presence and a really good point guard. he'll need spacing to get his shots off and a point guard to get him going. on a team like we had last year, with poor pg play and no post threat, teams would simply crowd barnes and force him to beat them off the dribble.

I've said that at least 5 times now.

Barnes is a great player to add in year 2-4 of the rebuild. If you have a legitimate first option or young star PG, then you go after a guy like Barnes. But he just doesn't have what it takes to deal with the pressure that comes with being the first choice of a franchise's true rebuild.

1) We already have a young stud PG in Kemba Walker
2) Every player outside of Anthony Davis is a great player to add in a 2-4 year rebuild since there are no other sure fire franchise players. Barnes and Robinson however are the closest ones
3)The needing a pass first PG inorder for Barnes to succed is a unproven myth. Just because he struggled when some ginger walk on started at PG doesn't mean he'll struggle when theres a shoot first talented PG playing the position. Infact I think it'll help since the defense will have to attest to the fact that the PG is a threat.

4) Do you really think Barnes would have struggled as much or struggled at all if Uconn Kemba was starting in place of the ginger? UNC would have been national champs

[Elden Payton]

barnes would probably have a tough time here in charlotte on offense, at least until we got an inside presence and a really good point guard. he'll need spacing to get his shots off and a point guard to get him going. on a team like we had last year, with poor pg play and no post threat, teams would simply crowd barnes and force him to beat them off the dribble.

I've said that at least 5 times now.

Barnes is a great player to add in year 2-4 of the rebuild. If you have a legitimate first option or young star PG, then you go after a guy like Barnes. But he just doesn't have what it takes to deal with the pressure that comes with being the first choice of a franchise's true rebuild.

1) We already have a young stud PG in Kemba Walker
2) Every player outside of Anthony Davis is a great player to add in a 2-4 year rebuild since there are no other sure fire franchise players. Barnes and Robinson however are the closest ones
3)The needing a pass first PG inorder for Barnes to succed is a unproven myth. Just because he struggled when some ginger walk on started at PG doesn't mean he'll struggle when theres a shoot first talented PG playing the position. Infact I think it'll help since the defense will have to attest to the fact that the PG is a threat.

4) Do you really think Barnes would have struggled as much or struggled at all if Uconn Kemba was starting in place of the ginger? UNC would have been national champs

Well Stun I have to say....

That I agree with you...damn...lol

People are sleeping on Barnes and he is an elite prospect imo but you have to remember there is a reason people doubt him, their arguments are valid and we have to respect that.

I am on the Barnes bandwagon with you though but we have to see him in the league before definitive proclamations.

[Badd_Intentions]

No way is Barnes a franchise player. If i'm wrong about that I will gladly eat crow, but he isn't a franchise guy. He's a nice player to have, but you can't just dump the ball into him for buckets. NBA Defenders are going to make him put it on the deck, he hasn't show he can consistently get good 1 on 1 looks vs college players let alone pros.

[Stun704]

No way is Barnes a franchise player. If i'm wrong about that I will gladly eat crow, but he isn't a franchise guy. He's a nice player to have, but you can't just dump the ball into him for buckets. NBA Defenders are going to make him put it on the deck, he hasn't show he can consistently get good 1 on 1 looks vs college players let alone pros.

Barnes is capable of being an elite top 5 SF. The problem is you think hes a finished product, however he can only get better from this point on. Barnes has all the tools to become an elite player in the NBA, and I feel that Jordan will push him to that level

[Stun704]

I've said that at least 5 times now.

Barnes is a great player to add in year 2-4 of the rebuild. If you have a legitimate first option or young star PG, then you go after a guy like Barnes. But he just doesn't have what it takes to deal with the pressure that comes with being the first choice of a franchise's true rebuild.

1) We already have a young stud PG in Kemba Walker
2) Every player outside of Anthony Davis is a great player to add in a 2-4 year rebuild since there are no other sure fire franchise players. Barnes and Robinson however are the closest ones
3)The needing a pass first PG inorder for Barnes to succed is a unproven myth. Just because he struggled when some ginger walk on started at PG doesn't mean he'll struggle when theres a shoot first talented PG playing the position. Infact I think it'll help since the defense will have to attest to the fact that the PG is a threat.

4) Do you really think Barnes would have struggled as much or struggled at all if Uconn Kemba was starting in place of the ginger? UNC would have been national champs

Well Stun I have to say....

That I agree with you...damn...lol

People are sleeping on Barnes and he is an elite prospect imo but you have to remember there is a reason people doubt him, their arguments are valid and we have to respect that.

I am on the Barnes bandwagon with you though but we have to see him in the league before definitive proclamations.

Thanks bro

[Elden Payton]

No way is Barnes a franchise player. If i'm wrong about that I will gladly eat crow, but he isn't a franchise guy. He's a nice player to have, but you can't just dump the ball into him for buckets. NBA Defenders are going to make him put it on the deck, he hasn't show he can consistently get good 1 on 1 looks vs college players let alone pros.

How many "franchise" players are in the league though? "Superstar" is a term that is bandied around too often and when you count them truly there is only a handful of "true" superstars and especially fewer with many at the tale end of their careers.

Because you can dump the ball to Melo for a basket does that make him a franchise player? How about Al Jefferson,Amare,Love & Bynum?

People also use the whole Barnes isn't a first option argument and then ask(rhetorically) what about when barnes has to break his man down off the dribble, what about when Lebron (etc) is guarding him, his shot is overrated, he's not athletic(lol) etc.

Every man and his dog knows at this point in his career that Barnes cannot carry an NBA(or NCAA) offense but he is an excellent piece for any team picking 2-7 in this draft.

The things that restrict Barnes the most in terms of ceiling(handles/playmaking/defense) can be improved and he is an excellent second or third option, when he doesn't get the oppositions best defender and gets some space he will be an all-star imo.