SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[EugeneBWhitaker]

Wait, turner is probaly the best shot creator on the team though

It is quite easy to create your on shot when the other team prefers you to shoot rather than most anyone else on your team.

Creating your shot while not being a good shooter is not an asset

Everyone know's he's not a good shooter. I'm just saying he's more of a natural scorer than some guys are suggesting. There's not alot of players than can handle the ball like him, mix that with his solid passing and vision. I have no problem, when he has the ball in his hands always looking to take a good shot, or pass it to a teammate who has a better shot. I dont beleive he's a PG but thats great quality to have.

I don't believe I have witnessed anything consistently that indicates he knows what a good shot is for him or how to find open team mates. I seem to be in the minority.

[Typeical]

I guess you would have to look past the fact that he's not a good shooter to see it.

[EugeneBWhitaker]

I guess you would have to look past the fact that he's not a good shooter to see it.

A player who creates good shots is a player who creates good shots he can make, at least that is how I see it. As I said above, it is easy to create space and open looks when everyone knows you are going to miss. The smart players realize they are going to miss.

Evan Turner has been mediocre at best, for short periods of his career, but overall he has been disappointing in every aspect of the game save for rebounding, which would not be as big of a deal if the GM could obtain even a league average big man.

[Sixerscan]

Sixerscan, I am curious...would you do the Utah deal for Al Jeff? (with Iggy going there). Personally, I would not. I would prefer the Toronto deal, and the LAL deal with Gasol (if that is a possibility).

All 3 of those are in the range where I personally would not do them, but would not be too upset if they decided to pull the trigger. If they think they can make a push this year with Rose out and the Celtics disintegrating, picking up a very good big man while using your cap room to fill in otherwise can make sense. I'm not a big fan of what will be at #8, but at least we wouldn't be taking back any bad contracts.

My choice would be to aggressively look to move Thad, Turner, and our #15 pick, and use those assets plus our cap room to make a run. I would try to make sure we aren't committing money longer than 3 years (preferably 2 if possible) into the future with anyone besides Jrue, so that if it didn't work out we can quickly retreat and rebuild.

[bebopdeluxe]

No, I'm saying it's not safe to say he'll be a better player. It can still go either way. FYI, Evan Turner has had more 20 and 10 games than Derrick Favors so far despite not having an established role on the team.

I also believe that it can go either way. I am by no means an expert on basketball, but watching Turner for the past two seasons, I believe that he clearly has some plus-skills (rebounding, on-the-ball defense, ball handling) as well as areas where his game needs to get materially better (shooting, taking care of the ball, help defense). He has the potential to be an impact player in the NBA...just like guys like Favors and Cousins do. Will he get there? I have no f'n idea. However, again, it seems like there is more value in seeing if he can utilize a full offseason (under team supervision) to see if he can get in better shape, improve his shooting, and see if he can be the player that he was for that 5-game stretch once he was reinserted in the starting lineup...as opposed to trading him this summer for 60 cents on the dollar.

Here's hoping that his frustrating play in the playoffs leads to a more focused, hungrier player next season.

[cksdayoff]

everyone on this team is expendable other than Evan Turner and Jrue. And there's really only one guy on this team that has a fierce competitive fire and that's Turner. If he wants stardom, I think he'll get it.

Sixers have a lot of options to put this team on the fast track of being a contender to go deep into the playoffs for the next several seasons, and then when those two mature or if they actually develop or sign a superstar they can be legit title contenders.

There's gotta be a taker out there for Iggy, whether its a lottery pick or for a young promising big.

[bebopdeluxe]

The same argument for Favors should be made about Turner and that is that he is playing at a loaded position. Favors has yet to get the full time minutes he needs to show his worth. The same thing was said about Turner and once he got his minutes he seemed to improve. Back to Favors I think once Al Jefferson is gone he will get his shot as the big man in Utah. The same goes for Turner if and when Iguodala is ever traded.

Derrick Favors is younger than Evan Turner. That should not be overlooked. Evan Turner did not show much improvement in the important aspects of the game that are not determined by more minutes. He is a poor shooter, which is not something this team needs. He shoots more poorly than Andre Iguodala, and for years Andre Iguodala has been a terrible shooter.

Three years of college should make you more mature and ready for the NBA, and I believe this is something that is ignored by those who want to believe in the future of Evan Turner. His shot mechanics are awful, and that won't be improved by an absence of Andre Iguodala.

If Andre Iguodala could become - dare I say it - an effective 3-point shooter (at the age of 28 and in his eighth NBA season), then why can't Turner improve his shooting as well?

There seem to be those who are impressed by what Evan Turner did in the playoffs. Whomever is making the decisions for the sixers roster should probably find a GM who was impressed by Turner and trade him this off season honestly.

[bebopdeluxe]

The same argument for Favors should be made about Turner and that is that he is playing at a loaded position. Favors has yet to get the full time minutes he needs to show his worth. The same thing was said about Turner and once he got his minutes he seemed to improve. Back to Favors I think once Al Jefferson is gone he will get his shot as the big man in Utah. The same goes for Turner if and when Iguodala is ever traded.

Derrick Favors is younger than Evan Turner. That should not be overlooked. Evan Turner did not show much improvement in the important aspects of the game that are not determined by more minutes. He is a poor shooter, which is not something this team needs. He shoots more poorly than Andre Iguodala, and for years Andre Iguodala has been a terrible shooter.

Three years of college should make you more mature and ready for the NBA, and I believe this is something that is ignored by those who want to believe in the future of Evan Turner. His shot mechanics are awful, and that won't be improved by an absence of Andre Iguodala.

There seem to be those who are impressed by what Evan Turner did in the playoffs. Whomever is making the decisions for the sixers roster should probably find a GM who was impressed by Turner and trade him this off season honestly.

If Andre Iguodala could become - dare I say it - an effective 3-point shooter (at the age of 28 and in his eighth NBA season), why can't Turner improve his shooting as well?

[Sixerscan]

Completely disagree with people that are saying trading him now would be trading him when his value is lowest. If anyone on our team has a trade value higher than his actual worth its Turner.

[bebopdeluxe]

Well yeah, if I didn't want to discuss it with you I would go start a blog or something.

I'm always more than willing to listen to well thought out arguments, and if I think they are wrong or based on a faulty assumption I will point out why.

I just haven't heard any sound argument that Turner is eventually going to turn into a franchise corner stone. The evidence against is pretty daunting.

While I do believe that he possesses the tools to become an All-Star caliber player, I have no idea if he possesses either the work ethic or mental toughness to take that next step. It is the same question that lingers with a guy like Cousins...right? And while it is easier to say that simply because guys like Cousins or Favors - because of their size - have a shorter road to become more impactful players than Turner, this does not mean that Turner cannot come back next season having learned some major lessons from his playoff performances and put it all together.

I would rather see if he can do that than give him away on the cheap this summer. If you don not agree with that, I can respect that.

[P2K]

Disagree...Turner's potential lies in hard work and developing range...if he gets that, he can become a very nice SG in the league.

Second 'point'...he's not a PG...not sure what people are watching that say this...he can dribble, but that doesn't make him a PG.

Why is it that people that keep saying Turner isn't a PG overlook the fact that Doug Collins himself said Turner is a PG?

You guys defend Doug so much,, why don't you agree with him on this?

[cksdayoff]

i still say Turner's a better pg than Jrue. I've seen Turner time and time again create open looks for his teammates, ie, Brand, Hawes, Thad, especially in the playoffs, but they just couldn't convert, whether its from the elbow or from 2 feet away.

Sixers need competent big men more than shooting. Lavoy is the only one we have, and this guy is probably not a starter in this league.

Vuc? I don't know because our moronic coach never puts him in the game. He can't be any worse than Hawes. So your guess is as good as mine as to why he never saw minutes. Which is BS.

[Sixerscan]

Disagree...Turner's potential lies in hard work and developing range...if he gets that, he can become a very nice SG in the league.

Second 'point'...he's not a PG...not sure what people are watching that say this...he can dribble, but that doesn't make him a PG.

Why is it that people that keep saying Turner isn't a PG overlook the fact that Doug Collins himself said Turner is a PG?

You guys defend Doug so much,, why don't you agree with him on this?

Because I don't agree with him? Is your world really so black and white that you think that someone is right or wrong 100% of the time?

[Do the Jrue]

I'd just like a guy with less of a really, really huge hole in his game starting for us at the 2 or 3. Neither of our current guys can shoot the ball from much of anywhere. Those are usually your two best shooting positions. Turner, Thad and #15 are definitely the chips I'd be using before I move Iguodala. If we were to land a star type player with that deal then Jrue-Iguodala-other star would look a lot more attractive to free agents then having Turner there instead.

[cksdayoff]

I'm done with Iggy. Iggy era is over. Start fresh, and get younger.

[Sixerscan]

While I do believe that he possesses the tools to become an All-Star caliber player, I have no idea if he possesses either the work ethic or mental toughness to take that next step. It is the same question that lingers with a guy like Cousins...right? And while it is easier to say that simply because guys like Cousins or Favors - because of their size - have a shorter road to become more impactful players than Turner, this does not mean that Turner cannot come back next season having learned some major lessons from his playoff performances and put it all together.

I would rather see if he can do that than give him away on the cheap this summer. If you don not agree with that, I can respect that.

Yeah see I don't think he even has the requisite tools to reach that level. The fact that he's been playing basketball for like 15 years now, spent last summer with a HOF shot doctor, and has still has such a hitch in his shot tells us that there might be something more there. Some people just can't shoot.

He's also not a great athlete and doesn't possess great strength. If you don't have either of those attributes, you better be a good shooter. Turner isn't even passable.

[Do the Jrue]

I wonder if the Hornets can't convince Gordon to commit to a contract/extension this summer if they'd do a Turner/Thad/#15 package for him. Would give us our go-to guy. Then we could trade Iguodala for Jefferson and still have a pretty large amount of cap room left with a trio of Jrue-EG-Big Al to entice free agents.

[Typeical]

Disagree...Turner's potential lies in hard work and developing range...if he gets that, he can become a very nice SG in the league.

Second 'point'...he's not a PG...not sure what people are watching that say this...he can dribble, but that doesn't make him a PG.

Why is it that people that keep saying Turner isn't a PG overlook the fact that Doug Collins himself said Turner is a PG?

You guys defend Doug so much,, why don't you agree with him on this?

lol Doug says alot of things from an emotional point of view. Lets be serious, if he believed Turner was a PG or a better PG than Jrue than thats the position he of been playing.

Other slightly humorous things Doug has said I believe from an emotional standpoint.

- Jrue Holiday will be a top 5 point guard one day( I dont see it although he still has a high ceiling)
- Meeks is a very good defender ( The effort is there but come on)
- The best players come off the bench for us( Hopefully it was just E.T over meeks he was refering too)
- Doug Collins "Im a sixer for life"(ofcourse after an emotional series win)
- Turner should of been starting from the beggining( the admittance was nice but he looked like an idiot)

amongst other head scratchers in his short time here...

[Do the Jrue]

CP3 (27)
D-Will (28 at the end of this month)
Rose
Rondo
Parker (30)
Westbrook

Kyrie
Jrue
Rubio
John Wall
Lawson

It's not that far-fetched that Jrue can be a top 5 PG pretty soon.

[SixerFever215]

Its funny how people really think ET will get much better in 2 years in the NBA he hasn't. His form on his jumpshot is terrible guys like Jrue and Thad have good form because they have good form with practice there jumpshot will get better. He can't guard the better 2 ans 3's in the league he's too slow he is what he is. Jrue holiday isn't a SG