SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[cksdayoff]

uh...jump shots can improve over the years. look at gerald green.

[Typeical]

CP3 (27)
D-Will (28 at the end of this month)
Rose
Rondo
Parker (30)
Westbrook

Kyrie
Jrue
Rubio
John Wall
Lawson

It's not that far-fetched that Jrue can be a top 5 PG pretty soon.

I dont think Chris Paul is going anywhere, I think he will a longer than usual career like jason kidd. Then you have Derrick rose, rondo and westbrook who are still very young and will stay in the upper echelon for the duration of Jrue's careers.While Kyrie Irving, Rubio and John Wall are all younger and already better than Jrue . I can see Jrue ending up around 6th or 7th best PG during his prime

[EugeneBWhitaker]

While Kyrie Irving, Rubio and John Wall are all younger and already better than Jrue . I can see Jrue ending up around 6th or 7th best PG during his prime

John Wall is not a better point guard than Jrue Holiday, John Wall might not even be a better player than Jrue Holiday.

John Wall is awful

[Typeical]

While Kyrie Irving, Rubio and John Wall are all younger and already better than Jrue . I can see Jrue ending up around 6th or 7th best PG during his prime

John Wall is not a better point guard than Jrue Holiday, John Wall might not even be a better player than Jrue Holiday.

John Wall is awful

John Wall is an amazing passer and athlete, his ceiling surpasses Jrue's

[EugeneBWhitaker]

While Kyrie Irving, Rubio and John Wall are all younger and already better than Jrue . I can see Jrue ending up around 6th or 7th best PG during his prime

John Wall is not a better point guard than Jrue Holiday, John Wall might not even be a better player than Jrue Holiday.

John Wall is awful

John Wall is an amazing passer and athlete, his ceiling surpasses Jrue's

Ceilings are not always achieved. To say John Wall is already better than Jrue Holliday ignores the fact that he has been terrible for two seasons in Washington, bad court vision, bad decision making (though people will make excuses that it is his team mates and not him). He has shown very little to say elite point guard in his two years in Washington.

He has been part of the group that is indicating the 2010 draft was pretty bad

[bmyers3317]

CP3 (27)
D-Will (28 at the end of this month)
Rose
Rondo
Parker (30)
Westbrook

Kyrie
Jrue
Rubio
John Wall
Lawson

It's not that far-fetched that Jrue can be a top 5 PG pretty soon.

Lets get him in the top 15 first.....Jrue ranked 34th in Hollinger's PER among point guards

[EugeneBWhitaker]

Lets get him in the top 15 first.....Jrue ranked 34th in Hollinger's PER among point guards

There are multiple ways to evaluate point guards, PER is a weak statistic in general, very weak for point guards

[Typeical]

Dont get me wrong though not sure I would trade jrue straight up for Wall, Irving or Rubio because I think his defense will be very valuable if this team ever do make a championship run. I just see them panning out a little better as PG's than Jrue in the long run.

[cksdayoff]

i would trade jrue for john wall in a heartbeat

[Sixerscan]

Ceilings are not always achieved. To say John Wall is already better than Jrue Holliday ignores the fact that he has been terrible for two seasons in Washington, bad court vision, bad decision making (though people will make excuses that it is his team mates and not him). He has shown very little to say elite point guard in his two years in Washington.

He has been part of the group that is indicating the 2010 draft was pretty bad

Terrible might be stretching it. 16/8/4.5 from a 21 year old is pretty impressive. The turnovers are high but that's not exactly unheard of for a young guy (Especially on a bad team)

[mybestfiend]

i would trade jrue for john wall in a heartbeat

This. I would trade Jrue for Irving or Rubio in half a heartbeat, if that's possible.

[Typeical]

John wall's ceiling a PG in Dwades body

Jrue Holiday ceiling a more athletic, Chauncey Billups

I think right now they are no where near there ceilings but they could still very well both end up with great careers. Two different type of PG's with Wall's ceiling being a little higher.

[EugeneBWhitaker]

Ceilings are not always achieved. To say John Wall is already better than Jrue Holliday ignores the fact that he has been terrible for two seasons in Washington, bad court vision, bad decision making (though people will make excuses that it is his team mates and not him). He has shown very little to say elite point guard in his two years in Washington.

He has been part of the group that is indicating the 2010 draft was pretty bad

Terrible might be stretching it. 16/8/4.5 from a 21 year old is pretty impressive. The turnovers are high but that's not exactly unheard of for a young guy (Especially on a bad team)

Counting statistics on terrible teams do not often sway me

[freshie2]

i would trade jrue for john wall in a heartbeat

Yes, but you also thought ETs lack of production was due to DC's coaching...hurts your credibility!!

[Winejk]

My choice would be to aggressively look to move Thad, Turner, and our #15 pick, and use those assets plus our cap room to make a run. I would try to make sure we aren't committing money longer than 3 years (preferably 2 if possible) into the future with anyone besides Jrue, so that if it didn't work out we can quickly retreat and rebuild.

Sixerscan

I'm in line with this. I think if we really want to improve we need to keep Jrue. I'd rather keep Iguodala over Turner. Everything else is expendable. However I don't know how much that can get you. Everybody seems to think big moves will be made this offseason. It may be management's intent to make some big moves, but it takes a partner to make trades, and not all trades are good trades. I"m afraid with the weak FA class, and with the names like Jefferson, Humphries...being bandied about, there may not be any sensible moves out there. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I could see not much happening this offseason. Not for lack of trying, but for lack of anything sensible being available. Most of the fan base will go ballistic if that happens. We might have to wait another year before big changes occur. I would prefer to wait one more year if there is nothing good this year.

[Winejk]

Jrue Holiday ceiling a more athletic, Chauncey Billups

I think right now they are no where near there ceilings but they could still very well both end up with great careers. Two different type of PG's with Wall's ceiling being a little higher.

Actually I see a lot of Joe Dumars in Holiday. Dumars was a shooting guard because he played with Isaiah Thomas, but Dumars was capable of playing PG when Thomas took a breather. Dumars could shoot and he could defend. He was an all around player, but never really the alpha male on the team.

[bebopdeluxe]

Completely disagree with people that are saying trading him now would be trading him when his value is lowest. If anyone on our team has a trade value higher than his actual worth its Turner.

I could not disagree with this statement more.

[bebopdeluxe]

My choice would be to aggressively look to move Thad, Turner, and our #15 pick, and use those assets plus our cap room to make a run. I would try to make sure we aren't committing money longer than 3 years (preferably 2 if possible) into the future with anyone besides Jrue, so that if it didn't work out we can quickly retreat and rebuild.

Sixerscan

I'm in line with this. I think if we really want to improve we need to keep Jrue. I'd rather keep Iguodala over Turner. Everything else is expendable. However I don't know how much that can get you. Everybody seems to think big moves will be made this offseason. It may be management's intent to make some big moves, but it takes a partner to make trades, and not all trades are good trades. I"m afraid with the weak FA class, and with the names like Jefferson, Humphries...being bandied about, there may not be any sensible moves out there. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I could see not much happening this offseason. Not for lack of trying, but for lack of anything sensible being available. Most of the fan base will go ballistic if that happens. We might have to wait another year before big changes occur. I would prefer to wait one more year if there is nothing good this year.

If this team was close - meaning a legit conference finals-type team, them I would agree with keeping Iguodala...but he has an issue with his knees that will likely never get better, he will be hamstrung from managing said chronic knee condition by playing in the Olympics this summer...which, when combined with the material roster turnover that we will likely see this summer (even if he is kept), will probably lead to a season that will be fortunate to turn out as well as this past season did.

If we can move Iguodala for younger assets, this is as good a time as any to do it, IMO...and based on what Derek is saying, it sounds like Collins is thinking this as well.

[Ming]

Completely disagree with people that are saying trading him now would be trading him when his value is lowest. If anyone on our team has a trade value higher than his actual worth its Turner.

I could not disagree with this statement more.

+1

He just had a bad series against the Celtics.

Those of you who think his jumpshot can't improve are just being extremely impatience or are just Turner haters. He just changed his freaking shooting form last season! And you expect him to be great right off the bat?

[Sixerscan]

Well hopefully by 2015 he can make a 15 footer or it may be time to give him up by then!