SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[bebopdeluxe]

Completely disagree with people that are saying trading him now would be trading him when his value is lowest. If anyone on our team has a trade value higher than his actual worth its Turner.

I could not disagree with this statement more.

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He just had a bad series against the Celtics.

Those of you who think his jumpshot can't improve are just being extremely impatience or are just Turner haters. He just changed his freaking shooting form last season! And you expect him to be great right off the bat?

My point isn't that Turner is going to be a super-dee-duperstar...but these deals to PACKAGE him to get like a #10 pick seem silly to me. Iguodala has a chronic knee condition (which will be impacted by the Olympics), this team is going to likely have material personnel changes, and in all probability it will be a year of not getting any closer than they did this season. If we can get a top 5-8 draft pick (and perhaps another young piece) for Iguodala, THAT is maximum value for adding to this team....and it is nice that the Sixers have a player like Turner who can fill some of the hole that Iguodala's departure would create.

Turner is NOT as good a defender. He makes more mistakes than Iggy. He is not as good of a 3-point shooter. But - looking at a 2-3 year window - if we can add somebody like Drummond or Beal to the mix, we will be in WAY better shape in the long-term. The tradeoff is having Turner taking over for Iggy at SF...but I will take a Jrue/Beal/ET combination...or a Jrue/ET/Ross combo - with Drummond ANY DAY over giving Turner away IN A PACKAGE for something like New Orleans' pick...

But that is just me.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Well I am going to back Turner until the team moves on from him. I think he can and will develope into a fine player. Despite what some say I think the playoffs did him a lot of good. He has a passion for the game that would be sorely missed if we moved him. Turner is an intense player on the floor and that already is the making of a quality player. However he has a lot of talent to go with that intensity, an donce he is able to channel the two together mentally he's going to be a great player. I will continue to root for him and back him all the way while he's on this team. I think he's a big part of where this team is going in the not so distant future.

[Sixerscan]

No trading him for a draft pick would be dumb. Trade him for Gortat or Pekovic. Or him and thad for jefferson. I'm just spit balling here.

Also disagree that we're that far away from being a conference finals team, especially next year with Rose out for most of the year. Using Turner, Thad, #15 and $24 million in cap space to get us a good 2 guard and front court could do some damage.

[bebopdeluxe]

No trading him for a draft pick would be dumb. Trade him for Gortat or Pekovic. Or him and thad for jefferson. I'm just spit balling here.

Also disagree that we're that far away from being a conference finals team, especially next year with Rose out for most of the year. Using Turner, Thad, #15 and $24 million in cap space to get us a good 2 guard and front court could do some damage.

If you think that Turner hurt his value in the playoffs, at least he doesn't have 4 years and $35+ million of salary around his neck like Thad does. I guess if you are using Turner as the carrot to get rid of Thad's deal, I can see some sense in that...although I still think it makes more sense to trade Iguodala - you will simply get WAY more for Iguodala than Turner/Thad, IMO (yeah...as it stands right now NEITHER of those guys will get you much).

If we had a legit shot to use Brand's $$$ to add a TRUE impact guy like Hibbert or Gordon...or even a quality 2nd-tier guy like McGee or Ilyasova, then I might consider keeping Iguodala and seeing what we could get with our other assets (like Turner).

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

SF76 what are the rumors on the draft if you have any??
There was the rumored GSW trade (#7 Richard Jefferson for Iguodala #15)?? The only way I see that happening is if Andre Drummond slips in the draft and is their at #7. That would be a case of us swinging for the fences. I know we brought him in for a workout so do you have anything else on that?

[Skates]

I really don't think Turner has ahd much trade value since his draft night. He looked terrible in summer league, his rookie season was a disaster for a guy who was supposed to be 'ready to play' as a college junior coming out and other than a few short bursts this year, he really hasn't down much other than look like a potential rotation player. HIs lack of athletic ability has become painfully apparent and his failure to develop his mid range jumper and perfect a teardrop runner (so he stops getting his shot blocked) have shown a lack of necessary skills.

I still think he can be a solid starter or top sixth man if he does thsoe two things, and see no use in trading him now when his value is as low as ever. The kid also has to maximize his body to get every last ounce of ability he can out of it. Thad hit his jumper most of the year and has an established rep in the league as a top bench player. He was hurt and his jumper failed him in the playoffs. That was a bad playoff run.

Turner just looked overmatched and underskilled.

Funny thing about this whole Collins/Thorn powerplay that ahs come to light. even though Collins favored Favors over Turner (and damn would that kid look good on this team now), it has become clear that Collins' loves Turner's fiesty attitude and doesn't get along with Iggy that well. Therefore the entire Collins 'keeping Turner down' because he doesn't like him conspiracy theory seems to be even a bigger bunch of hooey than ever. Collins doesn't like Turner's piss-poor jump shot, not the kid himself.

[Do the Jrue]

I'll post this again...I bet we could get Eric Gordon and Okafor for Turner, Thad and #15. That would give the Hornets the #1, #10 and #15 picks + the #2 pick from just a couple years ago, a stretch forward that every team needs and they'd be off the books for Okafor's contract. For us it gives us a true franchise #1 option on offense that's only 23 years old to pair with Jrue and Iguodala (or whoever we trade him for) plus one of the best interior defensive players in the league (pretty much a better version of Perkins). We could maybe even convince them to swap picks with us instead of giving away our #15 since we would be taking on Okafor's big contract or take back Ariza (who's only 26) as an Iggy replacement. Then we could trade Iguodala for Al Jefferson.

Jrue
Gordon
Ariza?/FA/Rookie
Al Jefferson
Okafor

I like.

[76ciology]

I really don't think Turner has ahd much trade value since his draft night.

That's why it won't be wise to trade him at this point. IMO, we've already invested a lot of time on him. I don't think he's a finished product. I believe his shooting will come at some point. I also believe that if used properly, he could still be a very effective player.

[Mik317]

SF76 what are the rumors on the draft if you have any??
There was the rumored GSW trade (#7 Richard Jefferson for Iguodala #15)?? The only way I see that happening is if Andre Drummond slips in the draft and is their at #7. That would be a case of us swinging for the fences. I know we brought him in for a workout so do you have anything else on that?

Sf has also said we are crazy high on Beal too.

There is a shot that he's on the board at 7 and GS doesn't feel like he's a great fit with Curry and Thompson ( they may not like him at the 3) and could look to deal him. I don't think he gets by the Cavs (Portland should take him too but they are supposedly sold on Lillard) so he's an apparent target.


I'm no fan of Turner at the 3 but at least he's not another ball dominant guard...right?

[76ciology]

^ Beal won't get pass Cavs or the Wiz.

[Ming]

yea let's trade Turner for some mediocre players so we can stay in mediocrity for more years!

[phillysixed]

One thing to consider about Eric Gordon is that he's played only 62, 56, and 9 games respectively the past three seasons. That's a huge flag to any team that is considering signing him long term.

[Skates]

I really don't think Turner has ahd much trade value since his draft night.

That's why it won't be wise to trade him at this point. IMO, we've already invested a lot of time on him. I don't think he's a finished product. I believe his shooting will come at some point. I also believe that if used properly, he could still be a very effective player.

Agree completely. We should see him through his rookie contract. The kid has some skills that are not run and jump ahtleticism, great hands, very good court vision, nose for the ball and a talent for finding the mid range seems in a defense, plus he is a good defender (and getting better) and killer rebounder. He is relatively cheap, has no wow factor currently to boost his trade value and has been showing some Philly style brass balls. We picked him, I say we ride him out and give him the chance to sink or swim here. I still have hope, not for a superstar, but for a solid, tough nosed starter, and hope he gets there while he is here.

[LongLiveHinkie]

What's with the sudden interest in Okafor suddenly? He's a mediocre at best player and will probably be a journeyman for the rest of his career.

[jazzfan1971]

Is it safe to say that Philly fans would much rather see Iggy traded than Turner?

[76ciology]

Is it safe to say that Philly fans would much rather see Iggy traded than Turner?

Definitely! But right now I believe that the Fo is pursuing a deal involving Iggy to trade up. Not an Al Jeff deal.

[Winejk]

Agree completely. We should see him through his rookie contract. The kid has some skills that are not run and jump ahtleticism, great hands, very good court vision, nose for the ball and a talent for finding the mid range seems in a defense, plus he is a good defender (and getting better) and killer rebounder. He is relatively cheap, has no wow factor currently to boost his trade value and has been showing some Philly style brass balls. We picked him, I say we ride him out and give him the chance to sink or swim here. I still have hope, not for a superstar, but for a solid, tough nosed starter, and hope he gets there while he is here.

I don't think he is necessarily cheap. Since he was the #2 pick in the draft, his rookie contract is actually pretty expensive. Next year he'll make $5.3 million, the next year $6.7 million and then $8.7 million. Personally, for $6-7 million, I'd rather keep Lou Williams. If you want to talk cheap, then talk Lavoy Allen. He made $475k last season. He'll likely get $2-3 million this upcoming season but for a solid big in your rotation, $3 million is not a lot of money.

[Do the Jrue]

I swear if we trade our best player/biggest trade chip just to move up from #15 in the draft it better be all the way up to 2 or 3. Id be pretty pissed if it was for Waiters or Leonard or somebody in that area. Only players I'd be interested in would be Drummond and Beal, and maybe Lamb if we weren't also trading our 15th pick in the process. I would be extremely cautious about drafting Thomas Robinson. Whenever he went against bigger players with long arms he struggled badly on offense just like Sullinger. For a PF he doesn't have much of any post moves either. Seems like a Paul Milsap type player at the next level.

[freshie2]

It's all relative value of the entire package (Iguodala's production +/- contract perception). I can see him getting you into the top 10, but I've never felt he gets you into the top 3.

[76ciology]

It's all relative value of the entire package (Iguodala's production +/- contract perception). I can see him getting you into the top 10, but I've never felt he gets you into the top 3.

I think we can get a top 5 pick atleast with Iggy + 15th. (Iggy + 15th for RJ + 7th or Salmons/Garcia + 5th)

Maybe top 2 if we can get creative. (Thad + 7 + 15 to Cats, Iggy to GSW and 2 + Tyrus Thomas + RJ to Philly)