2012 NBA Draft - Part V

[dangermouse]

Woah woah woah.... WizNasty

Did i read this right.... You think that Barnes is going to be the 2nd best SF in the league (behind Durant)?

I think you need to chill out on the posting a bit before the draft bro.

[WizarDynasty]

I consider lebron james a shooting guard. I don't like lebron, what wiz fans does so Barnes would be . Lebron is 27. He might have about 4 to 5 season on top and then he is going to fall off hard because his game is based on athleticism not shooting. Same way Iverson fell off hard.

[Ruzious]

I consider lebron james a shooting guard. I don't like lebron, what wiz fans does so Barnes would be . Lebron is 27. He might have about 4 to 5 season on top and then he is going to fall off hard because his game is based on athleticism not shooting. Same way Iverson fell off hard.

I'll take Lebron at 32, and you can have Barnes in his prime. Even if he loses 3 steps, Lebron is one of the best passers in the game and has the power and skills to be among the best PF's in the game.

[Ruzious]

I think you're right CCJ, Ted does not want to amnesty Blatche. I think we will really see where Ted is at if he does not amnesty Dray, nor attempt any FA signings beyond vet-minimum players.

Why? I keep hearing that it costs us money. No, it doesn't. Dray is untradeable and doesn't contribute, and it's *his contract* that costs us money. If you amnesty him, you fill his spot w/ a round 2 type rookie at $500K. That's what amnestying him costs -- the dollars to fill the spot.

It is not a fact that he will be untradable this coming year. But it is a fact that if you amnesty him, you will pay the full contract minus whatever anyone signs him for. Once done, you closed the door on that money. Bring him back this year and there is still a chance you can trade him after using him for half the year. In exchange you get a player with a bigger contract that is amortized down and then done. Drays contract is then off the books next year and it cost you basically this years money to do it.

Point is, they will keep there options open. Your facts are not actually facts.

If you have any sense at all, you don't bring him back period - under any circumstances. He's had 7 years in the NBA. Just keeping him around the team would be an obvious step backwards to any momentum this organization has built. It's amazing to the point of absurdity to me that people think it makes sense to give him another chance.

[sfam]

I consider lebron james a shooting guard. I don't like lebron, what wiz fans does so Barnes would be . Lebron is 27. He might have about 4 to 5 season on top and then he is going to fall off hard because his game is based on athleticism not shooting. Same way Iverson fell off hard.

Why not just call Lebron a left tackle? I mean love him or hate him, he's pretty much a SF through and through. And call me crazy but it looks to me like LeBron has dramatically increased his shooting repertoire.

[sfam]

I'M TIRED of potential guys... can we get a guy who can come in and be a professional from day one?

+5

[sfam]

You can say what you want but Ill take it to my grave that if Dray is right then he's more talented than any of those guys and will win the starting job outright

At this point, Dray's talent couldn't buy you a ticket to see the Avengers. Dray will never be right, really never has for any length of time. He's pretty much a disaster. The NBA is littered with people, who if they lived up to their potential, would be all stars. There's nothing unique or interesting about Dray other than that some people are still chasing the Dray fantasy.

[sfam]

I think you're right CCJ, Ted does not want to amnesty Blatche. I think we will really see where Ted is at if he does not amnesty Dray, nor attempt any FA signings beyond vet-minimum players.

Why? I keep hearing that it costs us money. No, it doesn't. Dray is untradeable and doesn't contribute, and it's *his contract* that costs us money. If you amnesty him, you fill his spot w/ a round 2 type rookie at $500K. That's what amnestying him costs -- the dollars to fill the spot.

It is not a fact that he will be untradable this coming year. But it is a fact that if you amnesty him, you will pay the full contract minus whatever anyone signs him for. Once done, you closed the door on that money. Bring him back this year and there is still a chance you can trade him after using him for half the year. In exchange you get a player with a bigger contract that is amortized down and then done. Drays contract is then off the books next year and it cost you basically this years money to do it.

Point is, they will keep there options open. Your facts are not actually facts.

I see absolutely nobody being interested in Dray ever, certainly not this year. While I suppose we could let Dray burn a roster spot in the hopes of dumping him, what we are really doing is letting Dray's contract cost us more through cancerous chemistry, and wasted developmental minutes that should be going to someone else.

Most likely thing to happen is after we finally get rid of him, Dray tries for vet minimum at a couple of stops before being booted out of the league permanently. Perhaps he makes a career in Israel, but I doubt he has the chops for that either.

[verbal8]

I see absolutely nobody being interested in Dray ever, certainly not this year. While I suppose we could let Dray burn a roster spot in the hopes of dumping him, what we are really doing is letting Dray's contract cost us more through cancerous chemistry, and wasted developmental minutes that should be going to someone else.

I think it is quite clear that Blatche will not be a starting PF in the NBA. However with some productive games, I think some team may still convince themselves that he has value as a back-up Center. I agree with your overall point that the negatives of Blatche are not worth the roster spot/playing time. However I do think there is a scenario where he at least gets some value in an Amnesty claim.

[montestewart]

The real point though is that it's a waste of time, and likely directly hinders team development, to keep Blatche on the roster in the hope of recovering any value for trade. At best, teams will offer pennies on the dollar, which is the same as will be recovered if and when he's signed to a minimum contract after amnesty.

[closg00]

I like the idea of somehow getting Royce White especially if we get Beal. I know there are some question marks but if he can play small forward i would love a starting line up of Wall/Beal/White/Vesley/Nene w/ Seraphin getting a lot of minutes as a big then Booker/Singelton getting minutes as well.

I agree. Beal and White would be a perfect draft in my opinion. I really hope we can parlay our two 2nd rounders and whatever else is needed to get in a position to get White.

How high would White go if he had played on Kentucy ?

I would very much enjoy watching White in a Wizard uni.

White is still going to go pretty high, perhaps in the teens. Perfect playoff player, I would love to get this guy.

He wants to be drafted by Minny...probably so he won't have to take the plane as-much.

[Ruzious]

Wow, Dat, that is scary.

I left my post because I didn't read yours first. We totally agree that MKG has the better chance of being a beast. Wall is the reason I am not higher on MKG, if that makes any sense.

-Michael Kidd-Gilchrist's measurements (6'5.75 without shoes, 7'0 wingspan, 233 pounds) are actually quite close to those of a young Camelo Anthony (6'6.25 without shoes, 7'0 wingspan, 233 pounds). Kidd-Gilchrist, like Robinson and Davis, doesn't measure historically tall or long terms of sheer size and length, but obviously makes the most of his physical profile and has well above average tools for a wing at the NBA level.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz1y6An7CAy
http://www.draftexpress.com

I think most would consider Carmelo an oversized SF.

I would have no concerns about playing Wall w/ MKG, I think they would be great together. They just need to be surrounded with shooters though so certainly that should be the priority going forward.

Meh. We picked a 6'9 (with shoes) 230 lb SF with a 7'1 wingspan last year, so color me not impressed one way or t'ther with MKG's measurements. Good sized is what I'd call Melo; not oversized.

One bigger 3 who we might be interested with our 2nd 2nd rounder (who I never heard of before today) is from Ersan Ilyasova's territory - Ilkan Karaman. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ilkan-Karaman-6165/

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Why? I keep hearing that it costs us money. No, it doesn't. Dray is untradeable and doesn't contribute, and it's *his contract* that costs us money. If you amnesty him, you fill his spot w/ a round 2 type rookie at $500K. That's what amnestying him costs -- the dollars to fill the spot.

It is not a fact that he will be untradable this coming year. But it is a fact that if you amnesty him, you will pay the full contract minus whatever anyone signs him for. Once done, you closed the door on that money. Bring him back this year and there is still a chance you can trade him after using him for half the year. In exchange you get a player with a bigger contract that is amortized down and then done. Drays contract is then off the books next year and it cost you basically this years money to do it.

Point is, they will keep there options open. Your facts are not actually facts.

If you have any sense at all, you don't bring him back period - under any circumstances. He's had 7 years in the NBA. Just keeping him around the team would be an obvious step backwards to any momentum this organization has built. It's amazing to the point of absurdity to me that people think it makes sense to give him another chance.

I agree 100%, Ruz.

[verbal8]

Meh. We picked a 6'9 (with shoes) 230 lb SF with a 7'1 wingspan last year, so color me not impressed one way or t'ther with MKG's measurements. Good sized is what I'd call Melo; not oversized.

One bigger 3 who we might be interested with our 2nd 2nd rounder (who I never heard of before today) is from Ersan Ilyasova's territory - Ilkan Karaman. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ilkan-Karaman-6165/

Definitely worth rolling the dice with a mid-second rounder. Although with his measurements he may not last that long. The concern that he may end up being a PF rather than a SF(low assist rate and low ft%) would prevent me from using an earlier pick on him.

[closg00]

Darn, I think OKC is less-likely to part with their 28th pick the way this series is going.

[walkways]

ILKAN KARAMAN has terrific athletism. He can even shoot 3s. He is so terribly underrated, I think he is already better than Zaza of atalanta. He is a rebound machine. He can block shots. would be a perfect PF back up.

[bsktbller]

Heard the Wizards and Bobcats are open to trading their draft pick. What would it take to get the wizards to trade 3? Would they do it for Andre Igoudala?

[closg00]

Givony's Yahoo write-up

3. Washington Wizards

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist: SF: 18, 6-7, 228, Kentucky, Fresh.


A very exciting piece in the Wizards' rebuilding process is on the way in Kidd-Gilchrist, who appears to be ahead of Bradley Beal on Washington's board according to reports we've received.

With the Wizards sporting the worst small forward rotation in the NBA this season, Kidd-Gilchrist could fill an immediate hole, bringing intensity and toughness that will immediately improve Washington's perimeter defense. He's one of the most competitive players in this draft. Still very much a work in progress offensively, he would form a formidable transition duo with speedster John Wall, as well as the hyper-athletic Jan Vesely.

Yikes, what happens when MKG, Wall, & Vesely streak down the court and then have to play in the half-court? This would make Crawford happy. I just don't see a MKG/Singleton SF rotation happening for us.

[jivelikenice]

Crawford would be happy, but the last thing this team would need under that circumstance is a chucker like Crawford. Ernie needs to find a way to dump Crawford and Singleton and get back some value or future picks....Crawford IMO is addition by subtraction. He could have a good role but I don't think he's willing to accept what that role would be. Singleton didn't impress me at all. I'd rather dump him and re-sign Cartier to back up MKG.

[Floater]

Seems more and more like MKG will be the pick at 3 for us. Next step, find some damn shooters at the 2/3 spots.