The Mike Dunlap Thread

Post #121 » by **Diop** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:20 am

Kemba2Hendo wrote:Exactly, I was thinking there was no way I was the only one here that saw the truth.

the "truth" that you guys are imagining. You're just making stuff up and claiming it to be true.

We have no idea what was really involved in the decision making.

Kabookalu · Post #122 » by **Kabookalu** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:20 am

BrotherDave wrote:Still, can't believe we passed Sloan over for this.

I'm glad they actually passed him up. This is not the Sloan of old. He's become senile the past couple of years, showing absolutely no emphasis on defense and seeming to lose his cool during his past couple of games as a coach. Maybe that has to do with the feud with Deron Williams but we've seen it recently with another head coach in Phil Jackson, who went behind his cool calm demeanor and went on a rage during his final playoff series as a coach.

bobcats3wallace · Post #123 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:23 am

Stoked for his press conference. Can't wait to hear what he has to say and for his vision of the team.

Just an aside. George Karl has produced 8 head coaches in recent history, including the likes of Scott Brooks. Just saying.

bobcats3wallace · Post #124 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:26 am

Sachmo wrote:
Kemba2Hendo wrote:Exactly, I was thinking there was no way I was the only one here that saw the truth.

the "truth" that you guys are imagining. You're just making stuff up and claiming it to be true.

We have no idea what was really involved in the decision making.

Exactly. And like I said, even if this was financially driven, how is that bad? How is it a smart business move to pay big bucks to a coach considering the stage we are in with the Bobcats? All spending big money would do is entice that coach to want a quicker rebuild than what we set ourselves up for. It would essentially be a LB situation, a quick fix. We need to get as far away from the temptation of a quick rebuild as possible so that for the first time in our history we can build a team the right way. This was not the time to break out the big bucks for ANY candidate.

Eoghan · Post #125 » by **Eoghan** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:28 am

Choker wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:Still, can't believe we passed Sloan over for this.

I'm glad they actually passed him up. This is not the Sloan of old. He's become senile the past couple of years, showing absolutely no emphasis on defense and seeming to lose his cool during his past couple of games as a coach. Maybe that has to do with the feud with Deron Williams but we've seen it recently with another head coach in Phil Jackson, who went behind his cool calm demeanor and went on a rage during his final playoff series as a coach.

True, I always chalked up Sloan's flaming out in Utah to him being too oldschool to deal with the modern NBA and their "Decision" having ways. That was my only reservation about him coaching the Cats but I shrugged it off b/c I'd love to see Charlotte become an oldschool philosophy franchise that cares about good, fundamental basketball.

Marino · Post #126 » by **Marino** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:30 am

Is it safe to assume the press conference will be in the next 2 days?

Elden Payton · Post #127 » by **Elden Payton** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:31 am

In fact Jerry Sloan "passed" us up.

If he didn't want to be here then I'm glad he's not.

Eoghan · Post #128 » by **Eoghan** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:33 am

Sik Infant wrote:In fact Jerry Sloan "passed" us up.

If he didn't want to be here then I'm glad he's not.

I heard he withdrew his name b/c he knew he wasn't going to get it as a way to save face.

TheKingofSting · Post #129 » by **TheKingofSting** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:34 am

bobcats3wallace wrote:
Sachmo wrote:
Kemba2Hendo wrote:Exactly, I was thinking there was no way I was the only one here that saw the truth.

the "truth" that you guys are imagining. You're just making stuff up and claiming it to be true.

We have no idea what was really involved in the decision making.

Exactly. And like I said, even if this was financially driven, how is that bad? How is it a smart business move to pay big bucks to a coach considering the stage we are in with the Bobcats? All spending big money would do is entice that coach to want a quicker rebuild than what we set ourselves up for. It would essentially be a LB situation, a quick fix. We need to get as far away from the temptation of a quick rebuild as possible so that for the first time in our history we can build a team the right way. This was not the time to break out the big bucks for ANY candidate.

You don't have to break out the big bucks for Shaw or Snyder, MJ is simply too cheap to pay what someone is qualified to earn. There is a reason this is the first college assistant coach to get an NBA head coaching gig.

bobcats3wallace · Post #130 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:42 am

I'm surprised you consider Snyder a "real" coach. He has just as much experience in the NBA as Dunlap does.

Anyway, whose to say Shaw didn't want a lot of money? Who's also to say that Shaw wasn't looking other places, as it's been reported, like Portland and Orlando? Why would you hire a guy who isn't 100 percent committed to your guy. Why hire a guy who is looking elsewhere out of the corner of his eye? I'll gaurentee you that's the reason Shaw was passed over.

_tijo_ · Post #131 » by **_tijo_** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:44 am

It's like K2H got this one theory and is sticking to it no matter what... Even if it is devoid of any factual evidence or plausible reality in the current scenario. Dude, just give it up. This is a guy who Cho wanted to hire because it's part of the development plan to bring in hungry young guys and build a winner. If it works, it works, it may not, but nothing works 100% of the time. Let it play out and see of the plan can work.

Post #132 » by **fatlever** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:47 am

i expected the media to play the "mj is cheap" card, but i didnt expect it from our fans. nothing about that coaching search gave the impression that we were trying to be cheap. you dont do 14 interviews if you are cheap. you dont put jerry sloan and nate mcmillan in the mix if you are cheap. as sachmo said, this hire feels more like a cho hire than an MJ hire. cho talked about wanting a teacher and that appears to be what we got.

i only dismissed this guy because i knew absolutely nothing about him.

hotrod · Post #133 » by **hotrod** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:52 am

I like the move. Sounds like basketball people like the move also. Seems like this guy's star is on the rise. Cho has a plan and knows way more than anyone in the media or on this board. I trust him. It seems MJ does also. I know many on this board wanted a "name" guy. I say give this guy a chance. I look forward to his press conference.

Post #134 » by **fatlever** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:52 am

http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/nugg ... unlap.html

Elden Payton · Post #135 » by **Elden Payton** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:55 am

fatlever wrote:i expected the media to play the "mj is cheap" card, but i didnt expect it from our fans. nothing about that coaching search gave the impression that we were trying to be cheap. you dont do 14 interviews if you are cheap. you dont put jerry sloan and nate mcmillan in the mix if you are cheap. as sachmo said, this hire feels more like a cho hire than an MJ hire. cho talked about wanting a teacher and that appears to be what we got.

i only dismissed this guy because i knew absolutely nothing about him.

This is exactly my sentiment.

I don't understand how some of our fans defend us vehemently on the GB and come to our own forum and trash us and be pessimistic smh.

This is a good hire, give it time.

TheKingofSting · Post #136 » by **TheKingofSting** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:57 am

_tijo_ wrote:It's like K2H got this one theory and is sticking to it no matter what... Even if it is devoid of any factual evidence or plausible reality in the current scenario. Dude, just give it up. This is a guy who Cho wanted to hire because it's part of the development plan to bring in hungry young guys and build a winner. If it works, it works, it may not, but nothing works 100% of the time. Let it play out and see of the plan can work.

I will say this much, I know his team went into Duke last year and may not have won but they didn't blink an eye either, they hung tough all game long. Whether that was just the brilliance of Moe Harkless, Coach Dunlap or a mixture of both it was impressive.

Elden Payton · Post #137 » by **Elden Payton** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:58 am

fatlever wrote:http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/nuggets/archives/2008/05/nuggets_dunlap.html

Excellent article.

The last paragraph rings true about coaches whose passion is player development are probably better off in college but our team is the perfect situation to him.

Clincher · Post #138 » by **Clincher** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:59 am

I am a St Johns follower and I think for a young team, he's not a bad fit. He took over this year for Lavin due to Lavin recovering from cancer and while his win-loss record wasn't great, you have to understand 2 things in regards to St Johns of 2011

1) The team was full of freshman(God's Gift was a JUCO) was and the lone junior in Stith left the team early.
2) Due to suspensions/transfers from Naureen Lindsay, Stith and others, it was basically a 6 man rotation for the entire year so players played most if not all of the game

The fact that they didn't finish last speaks volumes to how Harkless, Garrett, Harrison and Co. played well for their age and how good of a job Dunlap did.

Dunlap came from Zona as a key assistant and a great basketball mind. He's very patient, very good motivator who was a large part of the St Johns NCAA tourney bid 2 years back, and was a key x's and o's guy for Lavin who was put in a very unfamiliar scenario last season.

Hopefully this isn't Reggie Theus 2.0 and Dunlap is given some room to breathe. I didn't expect this hire at all and I wonder if Dunlap can handle this but I am happy he's getting this chance. He's a good fit for a very young team.

As much as I gave you guys flack for the Larry Brown hire(Which I was right on), this is a nice hire. Unexpected hire but still I like this. Will be rooting for Dunlap to do well, he was a class act for St Johns and a good reason we are heading in the right direction as a basketball program.

Liver_Pooty · Post #139 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:00 am

The press conference should be rather intriguing.

HasheemThabeet · Post #140 » by **HasheemThabeet** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:00 am

fatlever wrote:i expected the media to play the "mj is cheap" card, but i didnt expect it from our fans. nothing about that coaching search gave the impression that we were trying to be cheap. you dont do 14 interviews if you are cheap. you dont put jerry sloan and nate mcmillan in the mix if you are cheap. as sachmo said, this hire feels more like a cho hire than an MJ hire. cho talked about wanting a teacher and that appears to be what we got.

i only dismissed this guy because i knew absolutely nothing about him.

It's not like Dunlap is the only teacher that was available. There were plenty of better coaching prospects available out there but they would clearly be more expensive like a Joerger or a Malone. Nobody is saying that the cheap way can't work. I remember Memphis paying some pretty good dollars for Iavaroni but when they fired him they went to Lionel Hollins who got peanuts. Another example is the Clippers after Dunleavy Sr. they went to Vinny Del Negro. But this was definitely the cheap way, if a GM has a blank check to get whoever they want Dunlap is not going to be near the top of the list