2012 NBA Draft - Part V

[KrayzUpside]

Barnes has been linked to Cleveland at 4, so there is a good chance he won't be there at 6. But it wouldn't be a bad idea if you have defensive minded 2 like Thabo starting with Wall and Barnes and have Waiter come off the bench like with Mack and Singleton.

[closg00]

Ford Mock 8.0 just came out

Analysis: The Wizards are happy at No. 3 and I continue to hear it will come down to Kidd-Gilchrist or Bradley Beal. Harrison Barnes, I'm told, is also now in the picture. Andre Drummond is too, but he's much further down the list. So who gets the nod?

The Wizards really need shooting, which should give Beal or Barnes a leg up. But I continue to hear that Kidd-Gilchrist remains the favorite. It's very close.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

if we can get barnes and waiters at 6 and 11....would you trade MKG for Waiters and Barnes basically?

I would rather have Lillard and Zeller, or Waiters and Zeller with #6 and #11.

[Severn Hoos]

Chad is usually pretty reliable [about pre-Draft scuttlebutt, that is], so I'm glad to hear him say it's down to Beal or MKG. I will be very happy with either of them. Surprised he didn't even mention Robinson, usually he's linked if only as a courtesy from the hometown team.

Still think Beal/Crowder/Denmon is the best possible draft. I don't even care that they're all "undersized."

[dobrojim]

Chad is usually pretty reliable [about pre-Draft scuttlebutt, that is], so I'm glad to hear him say it's down to Beal or MKG. I will be very happy with either of them. Surprised he didn't even mention Robinson, usually he's linked if only as a courtesy from the hometown team.

Still think Beal/Crowder/Denmon is the best possible draft. I don't even care that they're all "undersized."

+1

But it could also be that a draft of MKG/Jenkins/Machado just to pick 3 other
names off the top of my head. CCJ (and others) could probably name a bunch of other
possibilities.

[Ruzious]

I certainly hope that Hollinger is not grading Beal low simply because of his 3 pt percentage. If so, he's ignoring a ton of evidence that says that those numbers are almost certainly an aberration. Then again Hollinger has Terrell Stoglin rated ahead of guys like Moe Harkless, Jae Crowder and John Jenkins. So maybe it's Hollinger's rankings (and not Beal's shooting) that's suspect.

Imo, in the last 10 years or so, Hollinger has gone from very insightful to somewhat interesting to usually wrong.

FWIW, I don't think Stoglin is a better prospect than those Harkless or Crowder, but he has quickness and the ability to get his shot off. I think he will be on a roster next season. Stoglin averaged 20 or 21 in the ACC. We know the worst parts of his game, but I believe he will become an effective NBA player.

I think Hollinger must not appreciate guard rebounding or the age/experience of each prospect. Beal gets boards and he has a nose for the ball. He improved a lot toward the end of the season on his long range shooting. Taking his age into consideration I see why he is a top 2-6 pick. Stoglin, OTOH, carried the Terps and he had a few brilliant games as well as some not-so-good ones. Terrell can score no matter how many people try and stop him. I know he is a much more accurate three point shooter than Wall. Maybe that is what Hollinger is thinking, that Stoglin might become another Derrick Fisher.

If Stoglin gets drafted and makes the team, I'll send you a Stoglin jersey.

[7-Day Dray]

Stoglin is such a talented scorer. Not saying he'll get drafted, but he'll definitely make a few D-League all-star games and get called up. If he gets drafted, the team should just save their time trying to turn him into a PG. He's a scorer all the way.

[dobrojim]

Coach Wittman is doing a conf call right now...

I got to ask a question which was just for him to comment about
the vets since he wasn't going to talk about draft other than generalities.

He talked about a bunch of guys but hasn't said a word about either
Lewis or Blatche. Somehow I am not surprised.

edit to add - Wittman just got asked about trading down for multiple picks
and he said "everything is being discussed".

2nd edit to add - Draft will dictate where they go in free agency. I know,
not exactly a shocker to hear that.

[closg00]

Stoglin could be this-years IT, scouts know who he is and he is getting workout invites. He might get picked in the 2nd.

[mohammed10]

From Ford's draft chat...currently happening now, for those that wat to chime in:

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/44280

Darko (St. Paul)


Expecting any big trades on draft night?
Chad Ford
(3:01 PM)


Lots of trade talk being reported, but nothing serious yet. I think the Bobcats at No. 2, the Kings at No. 5, the Blazers at 6 & 11, the Raptors at 8, the Hornets at 10 are all in play. Most of those teams are looking for either multiple assets (like the Bobcats) or a young veteran to help speed up the rebuilding process ...

[Dark Faze]

I'd love to move Crawful/Singleton for the #11. I might even be willing to deal Vesely for the #6 straight up to get Sullinger.

Yes...Sullinger.

I think he'll be there at 11 with his stock dropping, he's more NBA ready than Ves and has a higher upside. He'll be a good post defender at the next level due to his base. He's got the potential to develop a good midrange shot if not a decent outside shot. I think he has potential to be kind of a poor mans Kevin Love and it wouldn't cost us much to get him.

[mohammed10]

More from EPSN Chad Ford:

John (Severna Park, MD )


Big Wizards fan. The three names I've seen associated with them most often are Beal, MKG, and Barnes. Who do you see as the best fit? I think Barnes/Beal could score often next to Wall, but couldn't Nick Young do that? Thinking MKG fits best...
Chad Ford
(3:09 PM)


All three are fits. Beal and Barnes give them a shooter -- something the desperately need. MKG gives them toughness, leadership and someone who can really run the floor with Wall. They need that too. I hear MKG has the slight lead there, but it's a very close call for the Wizards. All three guys are big upgrades for them.

[Dark Faze]

Man nobody drafts shooters with the third pick. The Wizards really just need an efficient first option scorer. Barnes isn't that. He's a stand still shooter that will probably offer similar production to what we could have gotten out of Nick Young (at least for his first couple of seasons anyway).

To his credit I think Beal has some potential to be that, but shooting numbers and lack of isolation baskets and shooting off the dribble gives some cause for concern.

[dobrojim]

I'd love to move Crawful/Singleton for the #11. I might even be willing to deal Vesely for the #6 straight up to get Sullinger.

Yes...Sullinger.

I think he'll be there at 11 with his stock dropping, he's more NBA ready than Ves and has a higher upside. He'll be a good post defender at the next level due to his base. He's got the potential to develop a good midrange shot if not a decent outside shot. I think he has potential to be kind of a poor mans Kevin Love and it wouldn't cost us much to get him.

Well we're all entitled to an opinion.

[dobrojim]

Man nobody drafts shooters with the third pick. The Wizards really just need an efficient first option scorer. Barnes isn't that. He's a stand still shooter that will probably offer similar production to what we could have gotten out of Nick Young (at least for his first couple of seasons anyway).

To his credit I think Beal has some potential to be that, but shooting numbers and lack of isolation baskets and shooting off the dribble gives some cause for concern.

OKC drafted Harden 3rd not that long ago.

once upon a time, the CHI bulls drafted a SG from UNC 3rd

[Dark Faze]

None of those guys just ran around screens all day and showed absolutely no ability to create their own shot off the dribble in college.

Like I said, I feel okay about Beals ability to produce in that fashion, Barnes not so much.

[DCZards]

None of those guys just ran around screens all day and showed absolutely no ability to create their own shot off the dribble in college.

Like I said, I feel okay about Beals ability to produce in that fashion, Barnes not so much.

Here are some NBA GMs and scouts' comments on Beal that suggest he can do more than run around screens:

• "He has the chance to become a complete guard. He's athletic, is a good shooter, and can make plays off the dribble. Solid defender. Long arms will allow him to play 'bigger' than his height. High character and intelligence round him out as a prospect."

• "Character, translatable skills, production."

• "Shoots it deep, can handle and create for himself and others. Decent, not great size [6-3¼ without shoes]. Really good athlete. Great rebounder for his position. Seems to be a great kid."

• "He has star potential. Really good all-around player already. Solid shooter, above-average rebounder for his position. Can attack the rim off the dribble. Great kid off the court as well. Well grounded. Nothing that you can really dislike about the kid or the player."

[KrayzUpside]

I think its far-fetched to think guys who didn't score of the dribble in college are going to be able to do it in the NBA. Ball handling and the ability to create one-on-one scoring opportunities are a skill developed early on. These guys have been playing ball almost professionally the majority of their lives up to this point. If they could do it, it would have already shown. Players have developed into better shooters as pros, but I'd like someone to name one player who got better at dribbling in the NBA.

Wall should and will be the primary ball handler, but with guys that are primarily stand still shooters, the Wizards will have to operate with the efficiency of the Spurs to be effective in a half court situation. Maybe Wittman can get us to that point. Maybe.....

[Dat2U]

Man nobody drafts shooters with the third pick. The Wizards really just need an efficient first option scorer. Barnes isn't that. He's a stand still shooter that will probably offer similar production to what we could have gotten out of Nick Young (at least for his first couple of seasons anyway).

To his credit I think Beal has some potential to be that, but shooting numbers and lack of isolation baskets and shooting off the dribble gives some cause for concern.

OKC drafted Harden 3rd not that long ago.

once upon a time, the CHI bulls drafted a SG from UNC 3rd

But that SG from UNC also had a shaky J.

Another comparison would be the undersized shooter they drafted a few years back with the 3rd pick, Ben Gordon

[closg00]

DP