2012 NBA Draft - Part V

[nate33]

question for wizards fans, what exactly was the problem with Nick Young? He seems to be a gifted young offensive player, why didn't he work out? Is he a head case or a ball hog, what's the deal?

Low BBall IQ. He was very slow to grasp the plays and the coaches had to dumb down the offensive and defensive schemes to accommodate him. He was also a bad decision maker and couldn't be trusted with the ball to make the right pass at the right time, so he was relegated to being a finisher only. If he received the ball, his job was to either shoot it immediately or pass it back to the PG.

I still think he was a pretty solid player for the Wizards in 2010/11, but last year he was forcing things in an effort to get a new contract. Bottom line, he was a decent enough player when on a rookie contract, but he's not good enough to be worth what he is likely to cost in free agency. The Wizards traded him to lock in some value (Nene) for the long term rather than let him walk.

[closg00]

Last-year Hollinger correctly identified Leonard on his Big Board at #5, this-year TRob is ranked 2nd after TD. We should not be looking past TRob.

[jivelikenice]

Barnes will be the pick. He is a Ernie Grunfeld type of player.

LOL.
Barnes is an Ernie type of pick because he's safe
MKG is an Ernie type of pick cause he's athletic and can't shoot
Beal is an Ernie type of pick because its picking for need
Forgot....Trading the pick is an Ernie type of move

He'll be criticized regardless of what he does...

[boogie-reke]

Please take Beal

[Dat2U]

Apparently Barnes cancelled his workout with the Kings.

Question on Harrison, did he play as unathletic as we seem to think he did or did how smooth he looked make it look that way? Also does the Roy Williams system have anything to do with his lack of dominance in college? I think its being more realistic that he's a possibility so I'm treating it like a 3 man race instead of Beal v MKG now...

Barnes if you let him get a head start can finish strongly. He's a solid run & jump athlete but his first step is just pedestrian (that may have to also do with his lack of advanced handle) and he's only a straight line runner, there's no wiggle and shiftiness to his game. He just appears to be a bit stiff.

[BIG FURB]

Low BBall IQ. He was very slow to grasp the plays and the coaches had to dumb down the offensive and defensive schemes to accommodate him. He was also a bad decision maker and couldn't be trusted with the ball to make the right pass at the right time, so he was relegated to being a finisher only. If he received the ball, his job was to either shoot it immediately or pass it back to the PG.

I still think he was a pretty solid player for the Wizards in 2010/11, but last year he was forcing things in an effort to get a new contract. Bottom line, he was a decent enough player when on a rookie contract, but he's not good enough to be worth what he is likely to cost in free agency. The Wizards traded him to lock in some value (Nene) for the long term rather than let him walk.

True, well I don't think any of the guys you're looking at now have those issues, so that's a good thing

[Knighthonor]

Order

first Beal (likely will be missed from a trade up with Cats by somebody that see his talent)
second Harrison Barnes
third MKG
forth Trob

[FAH1223]

Barnes will be the pick. He is a Ernie Grunfeld type of player.

LOL.
Barnes is an Ernie type of pick because he's safe
MKG is an Ernie type of pick cause he's athletic and can't shoot
Beal is an Ernie type of pick because its picking for need
Forgot....Trading the pick is an Ernie type of move

He'll be criticized regardless of what he does...

NAH, he's an EG pick cause he's a tease like Blatche is

Ernie's drafting of guys who can't shoot has been recent... he was trying to get tougher players in here and MKG would add to that

Beal would be a shocking pick because Ernie doesn't pick what is conventionally needed.

[tontoz]

I don't watch as much college ball as many here but in the games i watched Barnes never showed any ability to take it to the basket and finish. He didn't get follow up baskets either. Given his size and athleticism that is a big red flag.

So basically you watched maybe one or two games then. Barnes clearly settled for jumpers a lot at UNC and his average handles made some drives to the rim...less than successful (putting it lightly). But to say he never showed any ability to take it to the basket and finish or get follow up baskets is a flat out lie. Shoot, go look at any youtube highlight clip of Barnes and you'll see plenty of examples of him doing those things.

Of course he could take it to the basket when there was nobody there to contest. But when there was actually defenders contesting him he sucked and that is why his shooting percentage was weak. There is a reason he only shot a putrid 47% on 2 point attempts (for comparison Jeremy Lamb shot 60% on 2s).

LOL @ bringing up youtube clips. Yi looked good in those.

I don't think i ever saw Barnes make an impressive move taking it to the rim. MKG (who i don't want either) did it all the time.

Just because i say he didn't show the ability doesn't mean he never scored at the rim. MKG can't shoot a lick but he did make 3s once in awhile. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[Dat2U]

Which is why I want MKG. I prefer what he brings to the table considering he's got every chance in the world to improve his jumpshot over time.

People don't normally use top 3 picks on high energy, glue guys either. I love MKG, but lets be honest, that's what he is. People compare him to Iggy, but Iggy was a much better ballhandler/playmaker coming out of college (and more athletic too)

Iggy was not a great ballhandler coming out of college. He displayed court vision but his handle needed a lot of work. IMO, MKG has a better handle than Iggy did coming out.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Barnes will be the pick. He is a Ernie Grunfeld type of player.

Here's to hope. Really pulling for Barnes to be the pick.

[BIG FURB]

Which is why I want MKG. I prefer what he brings to the table considering he's got every chance in the world to improve his jumpshot over time.

People don't normally use top 3 picks on high energy, glue guys either. I love MKG, but lets be honest, that's what he is. People compare him to Iggy, but Iggy was a much better ballhandler/playmaker coming out of college (and more athletic too)

Iggy was not a great ballhandler coming out of college. He displayed court vision but his handle needed a lot of work. IMO, MKG has a better handle than Iggy did coming out.

I didn't say Iggy was a great ballhandler, i simply said he was better than MKG

[Dat2U]

People don't normally use top 3 picks on high energy, glue guys either. I love MKG, but lets be honest, that's what he is. People compare him to Iggy, but Iggy was a much better ballhandler/playmaker coming out of college (and more athletic too)

Iggy was not a great ballhandler coming out of college. He displayed court vision but his handle needed a lot of work. IMO, MKG has a better handle than Iggy did coming out.

I didn't say Iggy was a great ballhandler, i simply said he was better than MKG

And I'm saying I disagree with that opinion.

[closg00]

Barnes will be the pick. He is a Ernie Grunfeld type of player.

Here's to hope. Really pulling for Barnes to be the pick.

This is what I have predicting for a while also, we are just hoping that the Cats don't take him.

[tontoz]

Setting aside the best player issue Barnes would be the best fit. That is what makes me nervous. The Wizards have nothing at the 3 and badly need shooting. Barnes fills both needs.

The problem is that i (and probably most here) see Barnes as a tier (or two) below Beal/MKG and therefore Barnes shouldn't be in the picture.

[Dat2U]

Barnes will be the pick. He is a Ernie Grunfeld type of player.

Here's to hope. Really pulling for Barnes to be the pick.

This is what I have predicting for a while also, we are just hoping that the Cats don't take him.

Didn't it come out at some point last season that Wall was not a fan of Barnes?

[7-Day Dray]

Didn't it come out at some point last season that Wall was not a fan of Barnes?

Wall never said that.

[jivelikenice]

If he got a promise, it has to be either from us or Charlotte. All reports indicate that Beal looked a little better than Barnes in Cleveland and they're also reportedly trying to move up to 2. It doesn't make sense for them to have made the promise.

Barnes is the best fit while I don't think he's the best player, I could easily end up being wrong. MKG and Beal benefit from being freshman and all of us projecting out their upside. If either had gone back, we could easily have been here a year from now saying that Beal still didn't show that he could be effective off the dribble, and that MKG didn't step up offensively after becoming the supposed go-to guy.

Is Barnes Calbert? I don't think so....Calbert was talented but his problem was he easily lost confidence and then deferred when Juwan and Webber took over the team. Hopefully Barnes issue is the system he was in and not confidence...

[boogie-reke]

Sactown beat writer

According to an NBA source, Harrison Barnes had a workout scheduled in Sacramento on Friday, but has cancelled. Top 4 promise?

[Rafael122]

My top choice is still Beal, but I'm still making eye contact towards MKG. If we can add a shooter or three along with the MKG pick, let's do it. But if we're just gonna get this kid, trade picks for cash and not add a shooter, then what's the point? I don't want to see another season where Wall drives to the basket and has no one to dish it out to because we have no outside shooters.